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The “Patriots Way”

Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2021 3:02 pm
Even though Judge learned from many sources, to a large degree, he bases how he runs his program off of what BB does. His concept of sort of treating the first 4 games as “extended training camp” for example.
The fallacy in this is that approach doesn’t work.
What is becoming apparent, is that the real secret to the Patriot way was 3 things: Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Tom Brady.
Belichick was at best, ordinary as a coach before Brady and now after.
There’s no Brady here to bail out a team unprepared, a side of the ball that’s struggling. It’s also why NONE of Bill’s former coaches have been successful. Mara, who can’t analyze why a dog takes a crap, looked at BB with reverence without really determining that this approach can be successful.
Judge seems like a blowhard to me. A guy who is really good at saying the right thing, but doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Thoughts?
SO I guess 6th round draft pick Tom Brady would have become a  
Victor in CT : 10/12/2021 3:12 pm : link
a superstar under any other coach? BB and staff get get no credit for turning him into a great player? HE was an after thought coming out of school. On almost any other team he would probably have been cut.
So you're saying that  
NINEster : 10/12/2021 3:16 pm : link
Bill Walsh was better given his coaching tree has close to double digit super bowl trophies while Belichick's have none?

Agree.
Its all about Judge and,  
lecky : 10/12/2021 3:17 pm : link
Have not seen one thing that makes me feel he is the guy. Team is clueless at the goal line. Team has no idea how to win a game. They never stop anyone when they need to. For example, 5 games, five scores at the end of the half by their opponents. Horrible timeouts, horrible use of the challenge flag and for a coach that preaches discipline, his team is not very disciplined. Wouldnt mind seeing a change, as long as their is someone out there to change for.
The "Patriot way" without Tom Brady  
GMen72 : 10/12/2021 3:19 pm : link
doesn't look like anything I want a part of. Bilichek adds value as a defensive genius and in player development. I wasn't a fan of the JJ hire, but he's been better than I thought. He definitely coaches not to win and to keep games close, but his players play hard for him, which is surprising given he's done nothing (ST coordinator and 7-14 HC) to command respect.

The only "way" in the NFL is to have an elite QB...without that, you're going nowhere.
Well, let me put my Captain Obvious hat on...  
bw in dc : 10/12/2021 3:28 pm : link
All great coaches have/had the great QB. The one exception is Joe Gibbs who won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs. Which is one of the more underappreciated and underrated accomplishments in NFL history.

So Belichick is no different. But the duration of the Patriots success is incredible and Belichick deserves more respect than giving it all to "Brady, Brady, Brady".

Belichick managed that roster and gradually moved the team from a predominantly defensive team to a predominantly offensive team, while still maintaining a quality defense. Being able to manage the cap and find versatile/swiss army knife players at cheaper rates was definition of the "Patriots Way". But to optimize that, you need the QB solution like a Brady.

If BB has that in MJones, they will quickly morph back into that...
it should shock absolutely nobody  
Producer : 10/12/2021 3:37 pm : link
that emulating the way Belichick coaches isn't easy - if not impossible.

Belichick is good at putting teams together that have versatility because ultimately he wants to do the thing that gives the other team trouble. He wants the defense to take away t he other team's best two options. He wants his offense to hit the defense where they are weakest. Gaming that out and figuring which pieces you need to do that, it ain't easy.
LMAO  
BigBlueJ : 10/12/2021 3:39 pm : link
All of these con men eating off of Tom Brady's plate for like 20 years now. The latest is Judge and Torres. When will it end???
BW I would  
Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2021 3:41 pm : link
basically agree with that synopsis. What I was alluding to, was Brady covered up a multitude of warts over the years. The “Patriots Way” is largely a myth. Brady made the offense work (with the exception of the Moss period for example) and Bill always knew how to build a defense.
So basically coach scared  
Giants73 : 10/12/2021 3:44 pm : link
The first four weeks, and when you lose blame it on extended pre-season. No where was it stated he treats is like extended pre season just more excuses for this horrible coach. Try extend a drive by going for it on 4th down once in awhile. Is the defense playing ext need preseason where they don’t tackle or cover WRs. When does this fictitious regular season begin
Belichick went 11-5 with Matt Cassel  
blright : 10/12/2021 3:45 pm : link
Obviously Brady is the GOAT, but so is BB, whose defensive game plans were the lynchpin of the Patriots defeat of the Rams and our defeat of the Bills.

Winning a Super Bowl without a transcendent QB is by far the exception rather than the rule.

I'm a believer in Mac Jones, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats are back on top during the period of his rookie contract.
RE: BW I would  
bw in dc : 10/12/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15411079 Dave on the UWS said:
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basically agree with that synopsis. What I was alluding to, was Brady covered up a multitude of warts over the years. The “Patriots Way” is largely a myth. Brady made the offense work (with the exception of the Moss period for example) and Bill always knew how to build a defense.


Yes, Brady was genius at taking the parts he had and finding a way to make it work. But let's not kid ourselves. Scarnechia and BB deserve a TON of credit for building consistently good OLs. Just a tremendous job there.

And BB was a savant at finding RBs who fit the scheme from the RB Store. Plus, BB drafted Gronk and Edleman, one a definite HoFamer and the other at least in the conversation. And BB was brilliant at finding undervalued WRs on the market like Welker, Amendola, Hogan, etc.
Great post  
Jalapeno : 10/12/2021 3:50 pm : link
I considered posting the same thing of some sorts awhile back but you did it much better of course.

I listen to WEEI out of Boston dsily just to hear some sports as besides the Giants I am mostly a NE sports fan and I think I heard the words "The Patriots Way" about 4 million times and I was begining to think "Am I the only one who thinks it is 'The Tom Brady Way"?

I hate to be that guy but I so glad that period is over. For now.
Belichick is a great coach.  
Section331 : 10/12/2021 4:00 pm : link
Yes, Brady is a huge part of the Pat's success, but would anyone say Vince Lombardi was nothing without Bart Starr? BB won his first SB without Brady doing much of anything. And does BB get any credit for developing a 6th round pick into the best QB ever?

That said, the idea that a coach would treat the first quarter of the season as an extended preseason is simply ludicrous. The Pats' championship teams almost always got off to fast starts.
Yeah and Bill Parcells  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/12/2021 4:09 pm : link
was only a great coach because he had LT. Give me a break. Many years BB had average talent at best on his team's and won divisions and SB's. It was HIS systems that helped put the teams in a position to win İN ADDITION TO BRADY being the qb.
It is riduculous such a accomplished HC and  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/12/2021 4:14 pm : link
defensive trend setter is treated with such a lack of respect.

Brady is a all time great. He picked a new team to go to that had most of the pieces in place. His last year with the Patriots was not very impressive. Patriots have had some rough drafts and some of the better players aged out. It couldn't last forever. Let's see where Bill has that team in the next 2/3 and revisit the conversation.
When you have a guy like Belichek overseeing the D  
Simms11 : 10/12/2021 5:04 pm : link
and McDaniels, creative offensive mind, overseeing the O, plus add in a HoF QB, then you’ll have unquestionable success. That was the a Patriots way.
Good thoughts all  
Dave on the UWS : 10/12/2021 5:33 pm : link
I like when BBI can still have thoughtful discussions, with different opinions but no name calling. Used to always be that way. It’s why I start the occasional thread, to motivate thoughtful discussion:)
Have to wonder how Bill  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/12/2021 6:22 pm : link
would have fared going to a stacked team like the Bucs with an average/above average QB? My guess would be pretty good.
Anyone remember those patriot games when it was Bledsoe and Caroll?  
Debaser : 10/12/2021 6:23 pm : link
They were good back then. And started getting good under Parcells. Kraft hired a Parcels underling BB because Pete Caroll was too laid back and was losing games as the years went on. I think the point of coaching is you get players ready to play and take a mediocre player and bring him to the next level. I don't think Brady needed that. He beat Bledsoe a #1 draft pick out a job and the rest is history.

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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2021 7:07 pm : link
Why must people give credit to just one party? It was a combo of BB & TB that let the Patriots to the heights they reached. They don't achieve the success they did without one another.
RE: Anyone remember those patriot games when it was Bledsoe and Caroll?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15411314 Debaser said:
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They were good back then. And started getting good under Parcells. Kraft hired a Parcels underling BB because Pete Caroll was too laid back and was losing games as the years went on. I think the point of coaching is you get players ready to play and take a mediocre player and bring him to the next level. I don't think Brady needed that. He beat Bledsoe a #1 draft pick out a job and the rest is history.


Parcells practically built the first 3 peat Patriots team, absent TB obviously. Those were very good New England teams after Parcells left & Carroll wasn't the Carroll he is nowadays.
Banks, Weis, and Papa  
Daniel in MI : 10/12/2021 7:18 pm : link
Addressed this very thing on Banks and popa’s podcast.

Their point was great coaches of course have great players, and get the most out if them. Bad coaches can ruin good players.

Weis said BB had more insight into the game, more command of details, and more ability to be 3 steps ahead looking down the road than almost any other coach. That’s how they maintained excellence.

They also noted they were still good when Brady had been out.

This idea that BB is nothing without Brady is simplistic. Likewise, the idea good coaches can succeed with our great players is likewise.

Locking down the key position in football with a great player for 15 years helps a ton, obviously.

RE: Yeah and Bill Parcells  
Sec 103 : 10/13/2021 11:50 am : link
In comment 15411143 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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was only a great coach because he had LT. Give me a break. Many years BB had average talent at best on his team's and won divisions and SB's. It was HIS systems that helped put the teams in a position to win İN ADDITION TO BRADY being the qb.

+1
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