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Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2021 4:37 pm
Don't even start to discuss individual:

draft picks
FA signings
coaching hires
GM hires
injuries

ECT.

Look at this picture from the highest possible orbit.

There is only ONE POSSIBLE CONCLUSION.

The NFL has left the people running this franchise behind.

When they fire people or have press conferences and issue vague statements like...

"There is no mandate to make the playoffs I just want to feel like we are moving in the right direction when we walk off the field after the last game"

With all due respect Mr. Mara, that is a bunch of bullshit.

This franchise is the laughing stock of the NFL to the fans and media.

It is the fault of ownership.
Unfortunately  
Scooter185 : 10/12/2021 4:42 pm : link
You can't fire the owners
RE: Unfortunately  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2021 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15411183 Scooter185 said:
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You can't fire the owners
We are fucked.
averageing  
WeekendLife56 : 10/12/2021 4:44 pm : link
9 fucking losses a season.. embarassing
Zero confidence  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2021 4:45 pm : link
This is not fixed anytime soon. The roster is so bad that any injury practically puts a guy changing tires last into the starting lineup.
But theres, like, a lot of reasons for that and it wasnt their fault  
j_rud : 10/12/2021 4:45 pm : link
There were injuries and stuff. And covid. We gotta stay the course, we're almost there! Year 9 of a 3 year rebuild. Just gotta purge the building of Reese's roster and McAdoo's oversize suits.
Mara seems like a nice man.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2021 4:45 pm : link
But he is clueless.
RE: RE: Unfortunately  
Scooter185 : 10/12/2021 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15411184 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15411183 Scooter185 said:


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You can't fire the owners

We are fucked.


Our only hope is that John has some serious self reflection and removes himself from football decisions beyond hiring a new GM. And that process needs to be handled by someone not family, or from the "circle of trust".

Or Tisch finds a Mara who's eager to get out and is able to break the 50/50 ownership
RE: Mara seems like a nice man.  
Mike from Ohio : 10/12/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15411191 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But he is clueless.


This.

I don't doubt he loves the Giants and hates losing. But until he realizes that they need football people making football decisions, this will continue. John Mara loves football and has spent all his life around it, but he is not a football guy.
RE: But theres, like, a lot of reasons for that and it wasnt their fault  
Danny Kanell : 10/12/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15411190 j_rud said:
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There were injuries and stuff. And covid. We gotta stay the course, we're almost there! Year 9 of a 3 year rebuild. Just gotta purge the building of Reese's roster and McAdoo's oversize suits.


Don't forget Sandy!
Grateful  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2021 5:02 pm : link
I am grateful to the Mara's for the championships I have seen but 10 years of consistent losing has all but eroded it. It is one thing to miss the playoffs, but our seasons are over before Thanksgiving most years.
Thanksgiving was generous  
Thegratefulhead : 10/12/2021 5:04 pm : link
Over by Halloween is more accurate.
Look at the 2012 draft and it was the start of everything  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/12/2021 5:09 pm : link
They decided winning the lines and the physical battle wasn't needed for success. Here we are now still living with this fact that has yet been corrected.
Now do since the start of 2017  
jeff57 : 10/12/2021 5:11 pm : link
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RE: Look at the 2012 draft and it was the start of everything  
jeff57 : 10/12/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15411223 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They decided winning the lines and the physical battle wasn't needed for success. Here we are now still living with this fact that has yet been corrected.


You mean when Reese passed on Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner to take David Wilson?
I can understand the dip from 2012-2015..  
Sean : 10/12/2021 5:15 pm : link
But, what this franchise has done from 2016-2021 is completely pathetic. And I’m including the 2016 spending spree which was incredibly short sighted.
RE: RE: Look at the 2012 draft and it was the start of everything  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/12/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15411229 jeff57 said:
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In comment 15411223 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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They decided winning the lines and the physical battle wasn't needed for success. Here we are now still living with this fact that has yet been corrected.



You mean when Reese passed on Lavonte David and Bobby Wagner to take David Wilson?


Wilson
Randle
Hosley
JPP of TE's
Mosley
McCants
Kuhn

The drafts get worse thereafter as well.
RE: Now do since the start of 2017  
Scooter185 : 10/12/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15411225 jeff57 said:
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19-50
RE: Look at the 2012 draft and it was the start of everything  
lawguy9801 : 10/12/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15411223 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They decided winning the lines and the physical battle wasn't needed for success. Here we are now still living with this fact that has yet been corrected.


This. When they won a Super Bowl with a cobbled-together line, they didn't think it was a priority anymore and that they could coach up middling talent. Reese thought that the "future" of the NFL was a faster, more finesse game - which is true to an extent, but no evolution of football will ever dislodge the fact that for sustained, winning football, you need to build from the lines out.
Yet there will be at least 2 people on here  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/12/2021 6:02 pm : link
telling you to be positive. LOL.
what an unmitigated disaster  
rocco8112 : 10/12/2021 6:03 pm : link
to become the worst team in the NFL in league designed for parity and quick turnarounds is quite an accomplishment.

It is absolutely on ownership  
Go Terps : 10/12/2021 6:03 pm : link
That's the disease. Everything else is a symptom.
RE: Yet there will be at least 2 people on here  
Scooter185 : 10/12/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15411289 Dave in Hoboken said:
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telling you to be positive. LOL.


I'm tempted to try the "everything's fine! Think about all, the rings we have" approach over on nyyfans just to see how well it plays
RE: Look at the 2012 draft and it was the start of everything  
Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15411223 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They decided winning the lines and the physical battle wasn't needed for success. Here we are now still living with this fact that has yet been corrected.
I mean, pugh was a 1st rounder in 2013, Richburg was a second rounder in 2014, Flowers was a 1st round pick in 2015, and that's just along the OL.

On the DL, you had tomlinson with the 2nd pick in 2017, Hankins and Moore were 2nd and 3d round picks in 2013, Bromley 3rd round pick in 2014
Lawguy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/12/2021 6:14 pm : link
What is more amazing is Eli got the snot kicked out of him in the NFCCG and then you take no measures to address it.

The lines were addressed, technically  
Chris684 : 10/12/2021 7:42 pm : link
but many of the decisions were just wrong.

Signing Schwartz, drafting Flowers, passing on Tunsil, over-drafting Pugh, letting Linval Joseph walk, etc, etc.

There is plenty of ineptitude to go around but let’s face it, a lot of bad luck as well. The NYG careers of the following players were all cut short or altered. Nicks, Cruz, Wilson, JPP, Beatty and (because he was too much of an asshole) Beckham. More recently I would include Shep and Barkley in this group as they’re undeniably talented players whose careers are looking like they may never get off the ground here.

Ben McAdoo caused another big problem. It is my feeling that they never should have hired him in 2016. That said, on some level I understood their reasoning and who didn’t think we had our coach when we played all our guys and beat Washington that last week of the 2016 season. It was a McAdoo love fest. I’m sure Mara felt it too. Who saw 2017 unfolding the way it did? Is it anyone’s fault, other than McAdoo, that he seemingly completely changed going into year 2 turning into an incompetent douchebag complete with slicking back his hair?

That leads us to Pat Shurmur. Awful hire. Waste of 2 years. Can’t believe he was ever considered for the job, and probably the biggest and most obvious mistake of both Mara and Gettleman in recent years.
Remember we started 7-2  
Giants86 : 10/12/2021 8:42 pm : link
In 2012

So it’s really worse record wise since right after Sandy.
RE: Remember we started 7-2  
Sean : 10/12/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15411440 Giants86 said:
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In 2012

So it’s really worse record wise since right after Sandy.

6-2. Those teams always lost when they were 6-2.
RE: It is absolutely on ownership  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/12/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15411291 Go Terps said:
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That's the disease. Everything else is a symptom.


Fish rots from the head. Hopefully Mara recognizes that. One can only hope.
I am still placated by  
Giantimistic : 10/12/2021 8:59 pm : link
4 Super Bowls win in my lifetime plus the Vikings 41-0 game.

RE: I am still placated by  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/12/2021 9:05 pm : link
In comment 15411454 Giantimistic said:
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4 Super Bowls win in my lifetime plus the Vikings 41-0 game.


Ugh.
RE: I am still placated by  
Keaton028 : 10/12/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15411454 Giantimistic said:
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4 Super Bowls win in my lifetime plus the Vikings 41-0 game.


Cool.
RE: I am still placated by  
Thegratefulhead : 10/13/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15411454 Giantimistic said:
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4 Super Bowls win in my lifetime plus the Vikings 41-0 game.
58 and 91 with no end in sight ended the honeymoon for me.

The return on my time investment is no longer sufficient.

Mostly disappointment for 10 years.

The Giants have had a weird history the past 30 years  
Greg from LI : 10/13/2021 11:46 am : link
They have won a playoff game in precisely three of 27 seasons since beating the Vikings in the 1993 wild card game. However, each time they went to the Super Bowl: 2000, 2007, 2011. In most of the years in between, they were mediocre to terrible.

Not sure any other team has had a similar experience.
RE: The Giants have had a weird history the past 30 years  
rsjem1979 : 10/13/2021 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15411965 Greg from LI said:
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They have won a playoff game in precisely three of 27 seasons since beating the Vikings in the 1993 wild card game. However, each time they went to the Super Bowl: 2000, 2007, 2011. In most of the years in between, they were mediocre to terrible.

Not sure any other team has had a similar experience.


You have to wonder how much that contributes to ownership's general outlook on the franchise.

Since winning Super Bowl XXI, the Giants have only been to the playoffs 12 times, which is bad, but four of those resulted in trips to the Super Bowl.

It's great that they've been able to get on a heater a few times, but getting to the Super Bowl 1 out of every 3 times you make the playoffs isn't a sustainable model.

For all the whining  
AnnapolisMike : 10/13/2021 4:26 pm : link
people do about coaching and players. The front office is why this team has had so little success. The Mara's are blinded by the Parcells era and the TC/Eli gift. Outside of those short periods...this franchise has been very mediocre.
RE: For all the whining  
BillKo : 10/13/2021 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15412449 AnnapolisMike said:
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people do about coaching and players. The front office is why this team has had so little success. The Mara's are blinded by the Parcells era and the TC/Eli gift. Outside of those short periods...this franchise has been very mediocre.


Mediocre since when though? Starting in the mid 60s I'll assume you are referring to.

I'm thinking right now, how many franchises would you say aren't mediocre? Over that same period.

Patriots
Steelers
Cowboys
Green Bay

You could even argue some of those I guess.

I guess we'd need the full W-L of every team.


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