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4 Categories of Giants (starters only)

CMicks3110 : 10/12/2021 6:33 pm

who's part of the solution, who's going to be here (Because of their contract), who's still unknown; and who won't be here much longer.

Here's my take:

1. Who's Part of the Solution

-Andrew Thomas
-Kadarius Toney
-Matt Peart
-Dexter Lawrence
-Leonard Williams
-Azeez Ojulari
-Julian Love
-Blake Martinez
-Sterling Shepard
-Will Hernandez (might surprise you guys but WH has been playing well and might be worthy of a second contract, as long as its not too pricey, would hate to go into next season without one semi-competent guard)
-Julian Love
-Nick Gates (hopefully)

2. Who's gonna be here regardless

-Adoree' Jackson
-Kenny Golladay
-James Bradberry
-Logan Ryan

3. Still Unknown

-Daniel Jones (I want to put him as part of the solution, but his W-L record is what it is, not blaming him, but I'm on the fence here)
-Saquon Barkley
-Darius Slayton
-Jabrill Peppers
-Xavier McKinney (i'm waiting for him to make an impact but he's been invisible)
Shane Lemieux

4. Who's Gone

-Kyle Rudolph
-Lorenzo Carter
-Oshane Ximines
-Billy Price
-Evan Engram

Interesting

M.S. : 10/12/2021 6:39 pm : link

I would add Jabrill Peppers to the "Who's Gone" list.

My best guess is that, when this franchise finally turns the corner and produces a consistent winner (2024? 2026? 2028? 2030?), the majority of players in your thread starter will be gone.

You won't recognize the roster.

What category does Tae Crowder fall into

Angel Eyes : 10/12/2021 6:51 pm : link

Put Jones

Toth029 : 10/12/2021 6:52 pm : link

In the solution and sign me up. But Matt Peart needs to prove to show more before he gets placed in that tier. One nice, promising game is a good start. Shepard is likeable but he's so oft-injured.

They need to hope Martinez is good to go next year otherwise they really need go draft a MLB early. They impact defenses, especially a 3-4.

So....

DannyDimes : 10/12/2021 7:02 pm : link

Fair list for sure... I do think Golladay belongs on the good list...

Given the early 2nd round investment

Breeze_94 : 10/12/2021 7:05 pm : link

On McKinney, I’d put him on “who’s here regardless” and if he can be more consistent and display the flashes he did down the stretch last year, hopefully he can be “part of the solution”

Brad berry was lights out

Giants73 : 10/12/2021 7:57 pm : link

Last year, has two picks this year. Coach had him playing 10 yards off the line scrimmage vs McClauren and he is part of the solution. Golladay has been banged up but looks good when he’s out there. Ajeez is part of the solution after 4 games but Jones is unknown.

I actually think this is one of the more constructive ways to evaluate

Eric on Li : 10/12/2021 8:06 pm : link

the roster. Great post. A few names can move around here and there (I too would put Jones on solution side) but ultimately i'm most in the category of "there's enough there" that its on the coaches to show us something.

I can't remember too many jekyl/hyde performances like Graham's so far this year vs. last year. I guess maybe Spags 16/17?

Very good way to look at it CMicks.

chick310 : 10/12/2021 8:10 pm : link

Orderly approach in determining how to best and efficiently rebuild the roster going forward. Also sets stage for possible trade deadline moves.

Going through players in your buckets now.

How many times

SirLoinOfBeef : 10/12/2021 9:07 pm : link

will you list Love?

What’s with the Rudolph hate

Giants73 : 10/12/2021 9:37 pm : link

Guy has caught everything thrown to him. Not getting many opportunities due to him being left in to help block. You can see the improvement on the line and he has a lot too do with that. He chips hard, he can take on edge rushers 1 on 1. Did he do something horrible in a game or is this just due to the box score.

RE: What’s with the Rudolph hate

Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 10:01 pm : link

In comment 15411480 Giants73 said:

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Well, he gave up on the naked bootleg after missing his block on the Jones concussion play. Simply running into the endzone would have peeled one of those two defenders off of Jones.

I don't think Dexter Lawrence is part of a long term solution

j_rud : 10/12/2021 10:07 pm : link

Id love him to be but I don't think he's ever lived up to the potential, or if he bas it's only been for brief spurts. He's been largely invisible this year.

Same for Love and Hernandez.

Williams probably should be bumped a category down

Bear vs Shark : 10/12/2021 10:13 pm : link

He was paid like a DT who can be a consistent pass rush threat, and he isn't.

I'm also on the fence about Lawrence. Right now, gun to my head, I'd keep him in the first category. But then again, if he was part of the solution, he'd be a slam dunk in the first category.

RE: RE: What’s with the Rudolph hate

Giants73 : 10/12/2021 10:14 pm : link

In comment 15411504 Bear vs Shark said:

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In comment 15411480 Giants73 said:

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Guy has caught everything thrown to him. Not getting many opportunities due to him being left in to help block. You can see the improvement on the line and he has a lot too do with that. He chips hard, he can take on edge rushers 1 on 1. Did he do something horrible in a game or is this just due to the box score.

Well, he gave up on the naked bootleg after missing his block on the Jones concussion play. Simply running into the endzone would have peeled one of those two defenders off of Jones.

Rudolph and Martin are both sealing the defenders out, neither tried to hook them to clear the outside. It appears both were blocking for an off tackle run on that play and Jones bounced it out. Players don’t blindly run routes when it is a designed run.