This is a straw man argument....you impatient fans hated Eli too so now you’ll hate jones.
First off Eli is not jones. Eli was better jones.
Second I don’t believe jones fared well with his Peers. Jones is still in training wheels mode ; playing not to turn the ball over and having the occasional good game while forgetting the bad play. And sorry that not the same as josh and Lamar in full throttle mvp candidate and putting out amazing performances oh yea and winning a bunch of games along the way
You jones boosters want to blame Garrett. Garrett knows exactly what’s he’s doing ; sparing jones and the giants from embarrassing losses and benchworthy performances from jones. And where would they go from there ? Make Glennon their starting QBs?
This is a straw man argument....you impatient fans hated Eli too so now you’ll hate jones.
First off Eli is not jones. Eli was better jones.
Second I don’t believe jones fared well with his Peers. Jones is still in training wheels mode ; playing not to turn the ball over and having the occasional good game while forgetting the bad play. And sorry that not the same as josh and Lamar in full throttle mvp candidate and putting out amazing performances oh yea and winning a bunch of games along the way
You jones boosters want to blame Garrett. Garrett knows exactly what’s he’s doing ; sparing jones and the giants from embarrassing losses and benchworthy performances from jones. And where would they go from there ? Make Glennon their starting QBs?
Shouldnt everyone be a Jones fan? Shouldnt we all want him to do well and succeed? i dont get the distinciton, so because we want Jones to succeed we are Jones homers? no we are giants fans and if Jones succeeds that is good for the Giants..
You are not a giants fan, you would rather Jones suck and you be right than Jones sicceed and be wrong..
you are the worst type of "fan" there is a diffrrence between being negative and just blatantly rooting against the giants..
You are a fake fan and shouldnt even be posting on a giants message board, go root for another team because you clearly dont like the Giants
What is the point of jones playing well now that the season is over?
To just delay the inevitable? I say much better to nip this in the bud that’s deal with “look he threw for 4 TDs against Washington again “ a new record!
The time to play well was last week when the d recovered a fumble
Just like the time for Eli to step up was when they were 0-2 and their season on the line against the broncos or whoever it was.
The best thing for them is to go 0-17 and clean out
What is the point of jones playing well now that the season is over?
To just delay the inevitable? I say much better to nip this in the bud that’s deal with “look he threw for 4 TDs against Washington again “ a new record!
The time to play well was last week when the d recovered a fumble
Just like the time for Eli to step up was when they were 0-2 and their season on the line against the broncos or whoever it was.
The best thing for them is to go 0-17 and clean out
Good enjoy rooting for your losses, but dont be calling people Jones Homers becaise they want to see the kid succeed..
That protecting the practice squad QB is an indication that Daniel Jones won't be available this week.
It could simply mean that the Giants are protecting themselves JUST IN CASE Jones is not available to play...which would be a smart move even if the team thought that there was a good chance that Jones would be cleared to play.
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
The Giants best win of 2020 was with Colt. Many commented at the time that the offense looked better, of course Kitchens is given most of the credit....
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
The Giants best win of 2020 was with Colt. Many commented at the time that the offense looked better, of course Kitchens is given most of the credit....
They won that game because of defense and their run game
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
That's your defense of Jones? That he's not worse than Mike Glennon?
Long term, I would rather they find another quarterback. I watched Jones quite a bit at Duke and was never overly impressed with him, which is why I was really disappointed that they spent the #6 overall pick on him.
Meaning, within the games I want to see him play well
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
LOL! This is really the argument of that it's really Garret?
Why didn't a journeyman who played about 10 games in 5 years on 2 different teams; got 0 reps in practice ; got hoisted in the middle of a game -- why didn't he light it up??
He also played a half; gave you 200 yards and a TD ; that is not bad all considered.
Eli didn't play here since 2018. Eli didn't really play that bad. Shurmur was Eli's coach not JUdge or Garrett. Eli's #1 receiver is Shep ; who wsa an overpayed mediocre olayer and still is.Shep is a #3 guy now.
You are obviously a daniel jones fan first and giants fan second. your time lines are totally off.
Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
LOL! This is really the argument of that it's really Garret?
Why didn't a journeyman who played about 10 games in 5 years on 2 different teams; got 0 reps in practice ; got hoisted in the middle of a game -- why didn't he light it up??
He also played a half; gave you 200 yards and a TD ; that is not bad all considered.
Eli didn't play here since 2018. Eli didn't really play that bad. Shurmur was Eli's coach not JUdge or Garrett. Eli's #1 receiver is Shep ; who wsa an overpayed mediocre olayer and still is.Shep is a #3 guy now.
You are obviously a daniel jones fan first and giants fan second. your time lines are totally off.
I've been a Giants fan since before you were born. You obviously don't know how to read.
I've been a Giants fan since before you were born. You obviously don't know how to read.
I don't know how to read. You are blaming garrett are you not?
YOu then go on to rattle off eli ; glennon; and and colt mccoy as evidence of garrett holding back good QB play no?
Too bad Eli was not here when garrett was oc. He was here with shurmur. Eli gave you 4000+ yards and 20 some odd TDs. Eli also played with a bad line and an overpaid and very mediocre Shep as his #1 receiver
Mccoy also played one game -- was not exatly getting a jacket fitted for canton any time soon -- and garrett didn't even OC that one game.
Glennon I already covered.
Is it really that hard to admit jones is not a good QB? As soon as glennon came in it was like Garrett thought Glennon was Dan Marino and he was Don Shula with the play calls. In desperation time ; he know who to dial up the offense. When it is your back up throwing pick 6s it ok .When youre #6 pick in the draft that you pay millions to is going to start doing it -- and he will so obvious -- that is going to really embarrassing to the Maras. A #6 pick ad millions of dollars for the same result you could have gotten from Glennon off the scrap pile
You make the same argument for Eli that people make for Jones...and Eli made a shotload more money than Jones does.
You leave out the part where Glennon threw 2 picks...one for a defensive touchdown.
Not only that, I remember in the game thread where you said "I knew Glennon would come in and make this offense look good".
Yeah.
for picks he hasnt thrown yet? lets be honest forget what you think of Jones as far as his prospects for being the franchise guy, yhe 1 thing everyone should admit is he has cut down on the turnovers, he has 2 all year and 1 was a hail mary
You make the same argument for Eli that people make for Jones...and Eli made a shotload more money than Jones does.
No no you cannot. Firstly this line by some strange grace of g-d is actually playing decent for the first time in years. I don't expect it to last and it makes 0 sense why that is, but it is.
Jones has better receivers than Eli did since 2011 team with Vicotr Cruz.
Jones still is NOT throwing TDs just like he didn't last year.
Eli despite horrible line and bad receivers and bad coaches gave you 4000 yards and double the TDs.
Eli didn't play with a coach that played to his stregth but just wanted to bench him and move on.
Jones has a coach who will still allow him to play with traning wheels ; act like he is here on what amounts to an extended rookie season to get better.
Glennon comes in - in the middle of a game and was throwing deep outs.. Garrett obviously desperate did not care if glennon looks like shit ,and he obviously cares if jones does.
First off Eli is not jones. Eli was better jones.
Second I don’t believe jones fared well with his Peers. Jones is still in training wheels mode ; playing not to turn the ball over and having the occasional good game while forgetting the bad play. And sorry that not the same as josh and Lamar in full throttle mvp candidate and putting out amazing performances oh yea and winning a bunch of games along the way
You jones boosters want to blame Garrett. Garrett knows exactly what’s he’s doing ; sparing jones and the giants from embarrassing losses and benchworthy performances from jones. And where would they go from there ? Make Glennon their starting QBs?
First off Eli is not jones. Eli was better jones.
Second I don’t believe jones fared well with his Peers. Jones is still in training wheels mode ; playing not to turn the ball over and having the occasional good game while forgetting the bad play. And sorry that not the same as josh and Lamar in full throttle mvp candidate and putting out amazing performances oh yea and winning a bunch of games along the way
You jones boosters want to blame Garrett. Garrett knows exactly what’s he’s doing ; sparing jones and the giants from embarrassing losses and benchworthy performances from jones. And where would they go from there ? Make Glennon their starting QBs?
Shouldnt everyone be a Jones fan? Shouldnt we all want him to do well and succeed? i dont get the distinciton, so because we want Jones to succeed we are Jones homers? no we are giants fans and if Jones succeeds that is good for the Giants..
You are not a giants fan, you would rather Jones suck and you be right than Jones sicceed and be wrong..
you are the worst type of "fan" there is a diffrrence between being negative and just blatantly rooting against the giants..
You are a fake fan and shouldnt even be posting on a giants message board, go root for another team because you clearly dont like the Giants
Do you really think they’ll win anything?
What is the point of jones playing well now that the season is over?
To just delay the inevitable? I say much better to nip this in the bud that’s deal with “look he threw for 4 TDs against Washington again “ a new record!
The time to play well was last week when the d recovered a fumble
Just like the time for Eli to step up was when they were 0-2 and their season on the line against the broncos or whoever it was.
The best thing for them is to go 0-17 and clean out
Do you really think they’ll win anything?
What is the point of jones playing well now that the season is over?
To just delay the inevitable? I say much better to nip this in the bud that’s deal with “look he threw for 4 TDs against Washington again “ a new record!
The time to play well was last week when the d recovered a fumble
Just like the time for Eli to step up was when they were 0-2 and their season on the line against the broncos or whoever it was.
The best thing for them is to go 0-17 and clean out
Good enjoy rooting for your losses, but dont be calling people Jones Homers becaise they want to see the kid succeed..
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
It could simply mean that the Giants are protecting themselves JUST IN CASE Jones is not available to play...which would be a smart move even if the team thought that there was a good chance that Jones would be cleared to play.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
The amount of hate Jones gets on a GIANTS message board is bafflig to me it is like some posters want jones to fail..
+1
The collective intelligence and maturity of Giants fans is at an all time low. Sign of the times I guess.
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Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
The Giants best win of 2020 was with Colt. Many commented at the time that the offense looked better, of course Kitchens is given most of the credit....
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Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
The Giants best win of 2020 was with Colt. Many commented at the time that the offense looked better, of course Kitchens is given most of the credit....
They won that game because of defense and their run game
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Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
That's your defense of Jones? That he's not worse than Mike Glennon?
The amount of hate Jones gets on a GIANTS message board is bafflig to me it is like some posters want jones to fail..
By that logic, why does everyone hate Evan Engram? He's a Giant too.
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when someone says they want to see Jones play and do well? i dont get it shouldnt all Giants fans wsnt him to play well?
The amount of hate Jones gets on a GIANTS message board is bafflig to me it is like some posters want jones to fail..
By that logic, why does everyone hate Evan Engram? He's a Giant too.
may hate him, but you going to be mad if he succeeds and helps the team win?
Engram is the only reliable threat we have left, outside of Toney, of course.
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Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
LOL! This is really the argument of that it's really Garret?
Why didn't a journeyman who played about 10 games in 5 years on 2 different teams; got 0 reps in practice ; got hoisted in the middle of a game -- why didn't he light it up??
He also played a half; gave you 200 yards and a TD ; that is not bad all considered.
Eli didn't play here since 2018. Eli didn't really play that bad. Shurmur was Eli's coach not JUdge or Garrett. Eli's #1 receiver is Shep ; who wsa an overpayed mediocre olayer and still is.Shep is a #3 guy now.
You are obviously a daniel jones fan first and giants fan second. your time lines are totally off.
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Oh my. Player of the Week. That solidifies everything, now.
Oh wow. The same award won by Eddy Lacy, Kyle Boller and Colin Kaepernick.
Again, I said he is capable of having good games.
But yep, let's look at a 9-22 record and let's do that BBI fanboy thing where we just pretend Jones can only receive credit but no criticism.
And yeah ... He's been a QB here since 2019. It's not as if he's a mystery and never sees the field.
The mystery is, why didn't Glennon come in and light it up? If Jones is so bad, other QBs should be thriving when given the opportunity. Instead we have seen Eli, McCoy, and Glennon play with mediocrity in his stead. These are all guys who have won games in the NFL. Guys who have all been shown to have good games. If Jones is holding this team back and he is what his record is...if it's not Garrett...I should expect to see an improvement with Glennon in, no?
LOL! This is really the argument of that it's really Garret?
Why didn't a journeyman who played about 10 games in 5 years on 2 different teams; got 0 reps in practice ; got hoisted in the middle of a game -- why didn't he light it up??
He also played a half; gave you 200 yards and a TD ; that is not bad all considered.
Eli didn't play here since 2018. Eli didn't really play that bad. Shurmur was Eli's coach not JUdge or Garrett. Eli's #1 receiver is Shep ; who wsa an overpayed mediocre olayer and still is.Shep is a #3 guy now.
You are obviously a daniel jones fan first and giants fan second. your time lines are totally off.
I've been a Giants fan since before you were born. You obviously don't know how to read.
I've been a Giants fan since before you were born. You obviously don't know how to read.
I don't know how to read. You are blaming garrett are you not?
YOu then go on to rattle off eli ; glennon; and and colt mccoy as evidence of garrett holding back good QB play no?
Too bad Eli was not here when garrett was oc. He was here with shurmur. Eli gave you 4000+ yards and 20 some odd TDs. Eli also played with a bad line and an overpaid and very mediocre Shep as his #1 receiver
Mccoy also played one game -- was not exatly getting a jacket fitted for canton any time soon -- and garrett didn't even OC that one game.
Glennon I already covered.
Is it really that hard to admit jones is not a good QB? As soon as glennon came in it was like Garrett thought Glennon was Dan Marino and he was Don Shula with the play calls. In desperation time ; he know who to dial up the offense. When it is your back up throwing pick 6s it ok .When youre #6 pick in the draft that you pay millions to is going to start doing it -- and he will so obvious -- that is going to really embarrassing to the Maras. A #6 pick ad millions of dollars for the same result you could have gotten from Glennon off the scrap pile
You leave out the part where Glennon threw 2 picks...one for a defensive touchdown.
Not only that, I remember in the game thread where you said "I knew Glennon would come in and make this offense look good".
Yeah.
No no you cannot. Firstly this line by some strange grace of g-d is actually playing decent for the first time in years. I don't expect it to last and it makes 0 sense why that is, but it is.
Jones has better receivers than Eli did since 2011 team with Vicotr Cruz.
Jones still is NOT throwing TDs just like he didn't last year.
Eli despite horrible line and bad receivers and bad coaches gave you 4000 yards and double the TDs.
Eli didn't play with a coach that played to his stregth but just wanted to bench him and move on.
Jones has a coach who will still allow him to play with traning wheels ; act like he is here on what amounts to an extended rookie season to get better.
Glennon comes in - in the middle of a game and was throwing deep outs.. Garrett obviously desperate did not care if glennon looks like shit ,and he obviously cares if jones does.