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NGT: Aaron Rodgers tells Joe Burrow to slide more

JB_in_DC : 10/13/2021 8:41 am
After a thrilling game with some of the worst kicking you'll see in a contemporary NFL game last Sunday, Aaron Rodgers came away complimentary of the Bengals' young signal caller, but gave him a stern piece of advice: Slide More.

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“I’m a Joe Burrow fan,” Rodgers told McAfee. “I enjoy the way he goes about his business, I enjoy the way he plays with confidence.

“I will tell you the thing that I told him, which I’ve told other quarterbacks from time to time: Slide. Slide,” Rodgers said. “I said, ‘You’re too damn talented, you got so much in front of you to accomplish in this league, just sometimes you gotta slide.' I would've told the same thing to Andrew (Luck).


Given the importance of the quarterback position, it just seems unsustainable to have a quarterback who takes the hits that Jones takes week to week. The guy is getting clocked regularly against non-playoff teams early in the season.
Some of this comes with the Giants being a bad team. QBs of good teams aren't taking those risks until the playoffs.

But I feel pretty comfortable saying: if Daniel Jones is going to succeed as QB of the Giants he needs to do so as a passer, and stop running unless he can avoid the hit. If he can't find success without being used as a more physical runner, that's just not going to be sustainable.
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Our QB  
Dave in PA : 10/13/2021 8:46 am : link
runs with the passion that we wish our RB did.
the issue is not the running  
KDavies : 10/13/2021 8:48 am : link
You can run and be smart about it. It was a bad playcall, and Jones should not have led with his helmet.
RE: the issue is not the running  
Section331 : 10/13/2021 8:50 am : link
In comment 15411700 KDavies said:
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You can run and be smart about it. It was a bad playcall, and Jones should not have led with his helmet.


Exactly, DJ's has got to be smarter about it. Love the passion, hate the decision-making. I expect we'll see more sliding in his future.
A running QB is not problem  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 8:53 am : link
a QB that lowers his head to run into a LB is the problem.

Jones doesn't need to run less, he needs to run smarter. When that play wasn't there he should have slid. That is exactly what Rodgers was saying to Burrow, not "don't run."
bullshit  
mittenedman : 10/13/2021 8:57 am : link
he smelled the end zone. otherwise hes been sliding a lot. its not easy on 3rd and goal when your 2 steps away from the end zone to slide. ots against every competitive instinct you have.

the logic Rodgers is applying anove is ultimately why you should never call a QB boot inside the 10.
He's been sliding  
Everyone Relax : 10/13/2021 9:03 am : link
or running out of bounds since his fumble. Again as mentioned above he was put in a bad situation and was trying to do all he could to keep his team in the game. Can you imagine if he slid at the 3 yard line in that situation?
If he would have slid  
giantBCP : 10/13/2021 9:07 am : link
in that situation he would have been pilloried here.
You  
Straw Hat : 10/13/2021 9:13 am : link
Slide when it’s appropriate to slide. On 3rd and goal you pound it in. Rodgers would of done the same thing. If he slid there he would be the laughing stock of the league and we’d all be crying about it.
It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other  
GiantTuff1 : 10/13/2021 9:27 am : link
Just don't take the shots head on like that. Do a little dodging and push your way in, but don't run 60 MPH into two cars coming 60 MPH at you too.

Guys like Lamar Jackson last b/c they are shifty enough to never take a direct smash hit. Eli was like that, which I feel is an unsung reason he never was hurt, but at the end of his career he got shit for being a little too self preservation-y.

At RB I thought Tiki Barber was one of the very best at avoiding brutal kill shots and understanding how to move his body to not get knocked out.
Dive less, slide more...  
Pete in MD : 10/13/2021 9:34 am : link
...don't let the defense hit you on the floor
RE: If he would have slid  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 9:51 am : link
In comment 15411722 giantBCP said:
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in that situation he would have been pilloried here.


That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.
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Straw Hat : 10/13/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15411779 Mike from Ohio said:
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in that situation he would have been pilloried here.



That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.


Clearly you missed the atlanta game when he scored the 2pt conversion by plowing over 300 pound grady jarrett.
RE: RE: RE: If he would have slid  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 10:01 am : link
In comment 15411785 Straw Hat said:
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in that situation he would have been pilloried here.



That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.



Clearly you missed the atlanta game when he scored the 2pt conversion by plowing over 300 pound grady jarrett.


Clearly you didn't understand what you were watching in the Atlanta game. Jones lowered his shoulder into Jackson, not his head as he did in Dallas. Grady Jackson was also reaching for Jones who had the angle on him, which was not the case in Dallas.
"Defender had the angle, that's a good slide at the goal line"  
giantBCP : 10/13/2021 10:04 am : link
Said no one ever.
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Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 10:07 am : link
In comment 15411793 giantBCP said:
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Said no one ever.


"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.

"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.
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Straw Hat : 10/13/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15411796 Mike from Ohio said:
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Said no one ever.



"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.

"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.


Im glad you aren’t the QB for my team.
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Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 10:11 am : link
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Said no one ever.



"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.

"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.



Im glad you aren’t the QB for my team.


Me too. If you had a team and coached your QB to lead with his helmet into defenders, you'd never win a single game because you would have a new QB each week.
There's very little difference between  
giantBCP : 10/13/2021 10:15 am : link
the 2 point conversion against Atlanta and the goal line play against Dallas. Things just happen at game speed that you can't account for.
RE: There's very little difference between  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 10:20 am : link
In comment 15411807 giantBCP said:
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the 2 point conversion against Atlanta and the goal line play against Dallas. Things just happen at game speed that you can't account for.


There is a ton of difference. Watch both plays and tell me where Jones is looking when he contacts the defender.

Atlanta - His head is up and he leads with his shoulder. No injury.

Dallas - Head staring straight down and leads with the crown of his helmet. Concussion.

None of this is new or complicated. This is not identical plays with different results. The first was correct technique and the second wasn't. He got a concussion because of poor technique, not a bad play call.
I've never seen a QB...  
bw in dc : 10/13/2021 11:18 am : link
slide into the goal line. So I don't but that as a remedy. Unless we are convinced it was a broken play. Which I don't buy.

Jones showed real toughness trying to score. He just got into one of those situations where he was exposed taking that risk. Just a football play that went the wrong way for Jones.

Honestly, unless it’s the Super Bowl  
eric2425ny : 10/13/2021 11:21 am : link
I’d rather see him slide in that situation. Oh well, you end up with three points and you don’t end up hurt for multiple games. If Jones didn’t get hurt the other day it would have been a closer game.

Wentz was notorious for taking hits in Philly. I obviously hate the Eagles but when I’d watch him play all I could think of was slide you jackass, you’re going to get hurt again. And sure enough he did multiple times.
RE: There's very little difference between  
UConn4523 : 10/13/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15411807 giantBCP said:
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the 2 point conversion against Atlanta and the goal line play against Dallas. Things just happen at game speed that you can't account for.


Is this really your takeaway? The Atlanta play has 3 WRs split to the right and was a shotgun snap. It was not taken under center and it wasn’t a naked bootleg. Jones had the ability to dictate contact vs Atlanta, he lost that ability vs Dallas, the play design gave up control to do so.
This is going to sound cold and harsh…  
bw in dc : 10/13/2021 11:30 am : link
but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.
Jones did what you essentially want a football player to do  
j_rud : 10/13/2021 11:36 am : link
You want a guy with the instincts to lay out for it in those pivotal moments. Those are good instincts. If it wasn't near the goal line I have no doubt he would've slid or made haste to the sideline. In that scenario I put it on Garrett. Sometimes, especially with fiery competitors, you gotta protect your guys. He didn't.


On the flip side is Cam Newton in the Super Bowl. Huge pivotal moment and he literally shrunk from the play. Be honest, no one here wants that. In fact if Jones had slid at the goal line I have no doubt he'd be getting absolutely trashed here.
That play was not some binary decision  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 12:32 pm : link
between "slide" and "dive and get a concussion." Not sure why so many are discussing it in those terms.

If he leads with his shoulder into the defender he still doesn't score, everyone gives him "tough guy" credit, and he walks away. But he lowered his head, which is something everyone is taught not to do. The problem was the technique, not the toughness.

And when a naked bootleg fools nobody and two defenders have the QB dead to rights? Anyone who gets on him for sliding is an idiot. This wasn't the Sueprbowl. It wasn't even fourth down.

Play smarter.
RE: This is going to sound cold and harsh…  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15411922 bw in dc said:
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but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.


And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.
RE: bullshit  
Azul Grande : 10/13/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15411713 mittenedman said:
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he smelled the end zone. otherwise hes been sliding a lot. its not easy on 3rd and goal when your 2 steps away from the end zone to slide. ots against every competitive instinct you have.

the logic Rodgers is applying anove is ultimately why you should never call a QB boot inside the 10.


unless you are peyton manning, the greatest rushing quarterback by success rate in NFL history
RE: RE: This is going to sound cold and harsh…  
bw in dc : 10/13/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15412058 Mike from Ohio said:
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but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.



And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.


The Ravens don't worry about LJax's running and he takes more risks than Jones. And he's worth a helluva lot more to the Ravens right now than Jones to NYG.

Oh, the back-up for the Ravens is Tyler Huntley.
RE: RE: RE: This is going to sound cold and harsh…  
Mike from Ohio : 10/13/2021 4:04 pm : link
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but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.



And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.



The Ravens don't worry about LJax's running and he takes more risks than Jones. And he's worth a helluva lot more to the Ravens right now than Jones to NYG.

Oh, the back-up for the Ravens is Tyler Huntley.


LJax protects himself when he runs. He is much better at it then Jones.
Mike...  
bw in dc : 10/13/2021 4:11 pm : link
LJax is very adroit at avoiding big hits. He has a Gumby body.

Still, he is averaging over 150 carries per year through his 3 years and 5 games. Which is an unbelievable amount of times to expose yourself to big hits. For the last two years, he's been near the top twenty in the entire NFL with total carries.

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