After a thrilling game with some of the worst kicking you'll see in a contemporary NFL game last Sunday, Aaron Rodgers came away complimentary of the Bengals' young signal caller, but gave him a stern piece of advice: Slide More.
“I’m a Joe Burrow fan,” Rodgers told McAfee. “I enjoy the way he goes about his business, I enjoy the way he plays with confidence.
“I will tell you the thing that I told him, which I’ve told other quarterbacks from time to time: Slide. Slide,” Rodgers said. “I said, ‘You’re too damn talented, you got so much in front of you to accomplish in this league, just sometimes you gotta slide.' I would've told the same thing to Andrew (Luck). |
Given the importance of the quarterback position, it just seems unsustainable to have a quarterback who takes the hits that Jones takes week to week. The guy is getting clocked regularly against non-playoff teams early in the season.
Some of this comes with the Giants being a bad team. QBs of good teams aren't taking those risks until the playoffs.
But I feel pretty comfortable saying: if Daniel Jones is going to succeed as QB of the Giants he needs to do so as a passer, and stop running unless he can avoid the hit. If he can't find success without being used as a more physical runner, that's just not going to be sustainable.
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Exactly, DJ's has got to be smarter about it. Love the passion, hate the decision-making. I expect we'll see more sliding in his future.
Jones doesn't need to run less, he needs to run smarter. When that play wasn't there he should have slid. That is exactly what Rodgers was saying to Burrow, not "don't run."
the logic Rodgers is applying anove is ultimately why you should never call a QB boot inside the 10.
Guys like Lamar Jackson last b/c they are shifty enough to never take a direct smash hit. Eli was like that, which I feel is an unsung reason he never was hurt, but at the end of his career he got shit for being a little too self preservation-y.
At RB I thought Tiki Barber was one of the very best at avoiding brutal kill shots and understanding how to move his body to not get knocked out.
That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.
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in that situation he would have been pilloried here.
That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.
Clearly you missed the atlanta game when he scored the 2pt conversion by plowing over 300 pound grady jarrett.
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in that situation he would have been pilloried here.
That is nonsense. Nobody wants their QB to lower his head and run into a defender when he has no chance of scoring.
Clearly you missed the atlanta game when he scored the 2pt conversion by plowing over 300 pound grady jarrett.
Clearly you didn't understand what you were watching in the Atlanta game. Jones lowered his shoulder into Jackson, not his head as he did in Dallas. Grady Jackson was also reaching for Jones who had the angle on him, which was not the case in Dallas.
"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.
"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.
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Said no one ever.
"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.
"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.
Im glad you aren’t the QB for my team.
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Said no one ever.
"That play was dead from the snap and the QB made a good decision to live to fight another day" said smart fans most weeks.
"Lowering his head to go into the defender's chest was a smart, aggressive decision" is what nobody said ever.
Im glad you aren’t the QB for my team.
Me too. If you had a team and coached your QB to lead with his helmet into defenders, you'd never win a single game because you would have a new QB each week.
There is a ton of difference. Watch both plays and tell me where Jones is looking when he contacts the defender.
Atlanta - His head is up and he leads with his shoulder. No injury.
Dallas - Head staring straight down and leads with the crown of his helmet. Concussion.
None of this is new or complicated. This is not identical plays with different results. The first was correct technique and the second wasn't. He got a concussion because of poor technique, not a bad play call.
Jones showed real toughness trying to score. He just got into one of those situations where he was exposed taking that risk. Just a football play that went the wrong way for Jones.
Wentz was notorious for taking hits in Philly. I obviously hate the Eagles but when I’d watch him play all I could think of was slide you jackass, you’re going to get hurt again. And sure enough he did multiple times.
Is this really your takeaway? The Atlanta play has 3 WRs split to the right and was a shotgun snap. It was not taken under center and it wasn’t a naked bootleg. Jones had the ability to dictate contact vs Atlanta, he lost that ability vs Dallas, the play design gave up control to do so.
On the flip side is Cam Newton in the Super Bowl. Huge pivotal moment and he literally shrunk from the play. Be honest, no one here wants that. In fact if Jones had slid at the goal line I have no doubt he'd be getting absolutely trashed here.
If he leads with his shoulder into the defender he still doesn't score, everyone gives him "tough guy" credit, and he walks away. But he lowered his head, which is something everyone is taught not to do. The problem was the technique, not the toughness.
And when a naked bootleg fools nobody and two defenders have the QB dead to rights? Anyone who gets on him for sliding is an idiot. This wasn't the Sueprbowl. It wasn't even fourth down.
Play smarter.
And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.
the logic Rodgers is applying anove is ultimately why you should never call a QB boot inside the 10.
unless you are peyton manning, the greatest rushing quarterback by success rate in NFL history
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but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.
And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.
The Ravens don't worry about LJax's running and he takes more risks than Jones. And he's worth a helluva lot more to the Ravens right now than Jones to NYG.
Oh, the back-up for the Ravens is Tyler Huntley.
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but Jones is on his rookie contract and we still don’t know what we have in him. He’s got good running skills. So I like that he goes for it on that TD attempt. And if gets hurt, we find another solution. It’s not like his contract is a cap killer and he hasn’t been great at this point like a Lamar, Herbert, Allen.
And this take isn't cold so much as non-sensical. You don't put your QB in harms way because he is on a rookie deal and not an All-Pro. You protect your QB because the drop off to your backup is still substantial and it is the most important player on the field.
The Ravens don't worry about LJax's running and he takes more risks than Jones. And he's worth a helluva lot more to the Ravens right now than Jones to NYG.
Oh, the back-up for the Ravens is Tyler Huntley.
LJax protects himself when he runs. He is much better at it then Jones.
Still, he is averaging over 150 carries per year through his 3 years and 5 games. Which is an unbelievable amount of times to expose yourself to big hits. For the last two years, he's been near the top twenty in the entire NFL with total carries.