with what appears to be the intent of letting them walk after their rookie contract does not seem like a sustainable plan.
Sadly, it's one of the few areas of the draft where we actually have success.
Next time Shelton is out there looking like a mom of 6 in yoga pants starting her "new year, new me!" routine while the 100 million dollar secondary is getting beaten like a drum perhaps they should reevaluate the value they're placing there.
until you blow the bank on Williams this year. Which negates the entire strategy of being good at finding big DTs but not paying them a 2nd contract.
i've always been annoyed by them not bringing back the young solid DTs- but this year is peak annoyance cause they overpaid a guy on a rebuilding team who is not THAT GUY. hes good... but hes not THAT GUY
until you blow the bank on Williams this year. Which negates the entire strategy of being good at finding big DTs but not paying them a 2nd contract.
i've always been annoyed by them not bringing back the young solid DTs- but this year is peak annoyance cause they overpaid a guy on a rebuilding team who is not THAT GUY. hes good... but hes not THAT GUY
DG has shown a strange tendency to overpay or over offer for guys who are not (should not) be scheme-centric. Eg, Leonard, Norwell at OG rather than an OT, then wildly overpay for Solder in reaction, etc.
The GIANTS have been a disaster over the last decade and this absolute stupidity is one good reason why.
When one of these guys who has played well is allowed to walk, they have to use a high draft choice to replace him. And sometimes those draft choices don't work out. But even if the choice does work out, that's one more pick that can't be used to fortify some other position.
Anybody who thinks this kind of gross mis-management actually works is not playing with a full deck.
A better question was whether we should have let Williams walk
And retain Tomlinson maybe at a slightly richer level than his Minnesota contract. I was in favor of resigning LW but I think that alternative would be better.
until you blow the bank on Williams this year. Which negates the entire strategy of being good at finding big DTs but not paying them a 2nd contract.
This is a great point. Giving Williams the money he got, while not paying our home-grown talent, is a clear contradiction in philosophies. Williams getting a few extra sacks in a contract year is no justification for that.
DG is reactionary, not forward-thinking. Every move he makes is a response to a shitty situation that he either inherited or, more recently, created himself. And there is no consistency or clear vision to what he does.
He's a guy taking gigantic swings and misses, and growing ever more desperate.
I’m with you. I’ve been angry about every one of those DR/DL decisions.
Swapping a successful system fitting player for a roll of the dice on an outside player in the name of roster management has been a losing proposition.
Linval was awesome here but nothing like he was in Minnesota.
It was part of the cap strategy, we had Eli on a big QB contract and had to use our draft resources to fill in the DL, typically in the 2nd round. It worked pretty well for them besides Marvin Austin.
plugging this hole with cheap vets or guys found later in the draft - that would be one thing. But having to spend high picks on these guys does not seem like an efficient way to build a team.
now that he's left the building, but this board was leaning 90% and higher prioritising signing Leonard Williams, which meant not signing Tomlinson. I heard scarcely any dissenting voices, saying maybe it's more important to sign Tomlinson.
In fact, this guy back in March was clearly not happy with the decision to let Tomlinson walk:
now that he's left the building, but this board was leaning 90% and higher prioritising signing Leonard Williams, which meant not signing Tomlinson. I heard scarcely any dissenting voices, saying maybe it's more important to sign Tomlinson.
In fact, this guy back in March was clearly not happy with the decision to let Tomlinson walk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y37M3eWTzhU
I seem to remember a lot of people wanting to keep Dalvin. If left with a choice of only one Williams was the clear preference but there were many who wanted both retained. Especially when we saw what the Vikes got him for.
I think it's important to consider the loss of leadership and identity as well. Both Dex and Williams talked about DTs influence as the steady/tenured veteran, even as a guy on his first contract. Might be overstating it, but it bears mentioning that the D has been soft and rudderless.
At a fraction of the cost, with Johnson making $3 million on a one-year deal while Tomlinson signed a two-year, $21 million deal with $15.9 million guaranteed.
Johnson vs. Tomlinson
Games Played: 5 vs 5
Snaps Played: 190 vs 194
Tackles: 24 vs 11
Sacks: 3 vs 1
Pressures: 6 vs 7
Run Stops: 14 vs 7
PFF Grade: 62.3 vs 77.1
* This information was lifted from an article written on Big Blue View
+1 Why go through the line when you can so easily go around it? Dallas got most of their 200 yards rushing by going around the right side of the defense. Graham and the defense had no solution.
Sadly, it's one of the few areas of the draft where we actually have success.
our LBs all suck without Martinez
Next time Shelton is out there looking like a mom of 6 in yoga pants starting her "new year, new me!" routine while the 100 million dollar secondary is getting beaten like a drum perhaps they should reevaluate the value they're placing there.
Cornelius Griffin, too
+1. For a guy who extols pass rush like Dave Gettleman, he hasn't done much to improve it.
i've always been annoyed by them not bringing back the young solid DTs- but this year is peak annoyance cause they overpaid a guy on a rebuilding team who is not THAT GUY. hes good... but hes not THAT GUY
It didn't work after they let Joseph walk in 2013. The Giants were 4th in rushing yards per attempt in 2013, and dead last in 2014.
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It didn't work after they let Joseph walk in 2013. The Giants were 4th in rushing yards per attempt in 2013, and dead last in 2014.
Good catch, I honestly did not know that.
i've always been annoyed by them not bringing back the young solid DTs- but this year is peak annoyance cause they overpaid a guy on a rebuilding team who is not THAT GUY. hes good... but hes not THAT GUY
DG has shown a strange tendency to overpay or over offer for guys who are not (should not) be scheme-centric. Eg, Leonard, Norwell at OG rather than an OT, then wildly overpay for Solder in reaction, etc.
When one of these guys who has played well is allowed to walk, they have to use a high draft choice to replace him. And sometimes those draft choices don't work out. But even if the choice does work out, that's one more pick that can't be used to fortify some other position.
Anybody who thinks this kind of gross mis-management actually works is not playing with a full deck.
This is a great point. Giving Williams the money he got, while not paying our home-grown talent, is a clear contradiction in philosophies. Williams getting a few extra sacks in a contract year is no justification for that.
DG is reactionary, not forward-thinking. Every move he makes is a response to a shitty situation that he either inherited or, more recently, created himself. And there is no consistency or clear vision to what he does.
He's a guy taking gigantic swings and misses, and growing ever more desperate.
Swapping a successful system fitting player for a roll of the dice on an outside player in the name of roster management has been a losing proposition.
But not for TOP defensive end money!
It was part of the cap strategy, we had Eli on a big QB contract and had to use our draft resources to fill in the DL, typically in the 2nd round. It worked pretty well for them besides Marvin Austin.
That sound like a good deal to you? Not to me.
In fact, this guy back in March was clearly not happy with the decision to let Tomlinson walk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y37M3eWTzhU
In fact, this guy back in March was clearly not happy with the decision to let Tomlinson walk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y37M3eWTzhU
I seem to remember a lot of people wanting to keep Dalvin. If left with a choice of only one Williams was the clear preference but there were many who wanted both retained. Especially when we saw what the Vikes got him for.
I think it's important to consider the loss of leadership and identity as well. Both Dex and Williams talked about DTs influence as the steady/tenured veteran, even as a guy on his first contract. Might be overstating it, but it bears mentioning that the D has been soft and rudderless.
Johnson vs. Tomlinson
Games Played: 5 vs 5
Snaps Played: 190 vs 194
Tackles: 24 vs 11
Sacks: 3 vs 1
Pressures: 6 vs 7
Run Stops: 14 vs 7
PFF Grade: 62.3 vs 77.1
* This information was lifted from an article written on Big Blue View
+1 Why go through the line when you can so easily go around it? Dallas got most of their 200 yards rushing by going around the right side of the defense. Graham and the defense had no solution.
The biggest letdowns have been Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence, and the outside LBs who are not holding the edge.