and his numbers are almost right there with Mayfields. In fact a little better in some respects. The troubling stat for me is TDs and it was same last year. The Giants are miserable in the Redzone and regardless of how the D has been playing, IMO, we could have won more games if only our Redzone ops turned into TDs and not FGs or nothing!
Even the guys that like Jones point to Tannehill or Cousins as his ceiling. Even if that's accurate, that simply isn't good enough. If that's the ceiling of the range of expected outcomes, you have to look elsewhere.
Just go look at the different QBR stats. Jones is better than 18 in the league he’s ahead of Mr Prescott in every category
It's fine to defend Daniel Jones, but at least deal with facts. Dak's completion % is almost 10 points higher, he's thrown 9 more TD passes, and has more yardage and YPA (albeit very slightly). There are some QB's higher on the list that I would put Jones above, but there are also some lower that I would have above him.
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
Go look through those stats and understand that QBR is a clear indication of how a qb is playing
I understand QBR, but it's still based on a person/analyst passing judgment on the QB's performance.
I think AY/A is pretty damn solid because it's basically YPA extended by adjusting for TDs and INTs.
It isn’t exactly an opinion of a performance. It’s more calculated by weighing things evenly and the meaning of the play. EPA is a good statistic. If you look at those stats he’s slightly ahead of Prescott in each one. He’s been playing lights out on a bad football team. It’s not his fault our OC shits the bed in the redzone
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
So let me understand something...
Gettleman assembled the roster and the roster sucks because Gettleman is incompetent. I'm with you there. This is a bottom five roster assembled by a moron. Where you lose me is...
This same moron, using his same moron methods, drafted a good quarterback in Jones?
Why is Jones separated from the rest of the terrible roster?
can get a few first round picks right. It's actually looking like his last 3 (if you include Jones) first round picks are fairing pretty well. Now everything after that is dog doo
QBR is > Passer Rating, which is a very flawed stat.
But note this from ESPN...
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The details of every play (air yards, drops, pressures, etc.) are charted by a team of trained analysts in the ESPN Stats & Information Group. Every play of every game is tracked by at least two different analysts to provide the most accurate representation of how each play occurred.
So subjectivity is in play, although there is an attempt to smooth it out with two analysts.
that Daniel Jones can't overcome his supporting cast? His sack pct is top-10 and he has all these weapons now. Enough excuses. He has to play consistently like a top-12 QB (or better) or he's a bust. So far in 2021, he looks like a bust.
QBR is > Passer Rating, which is a very flawed stat.
But note this from ESPN...
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The details of every play (air yards, drops, pressures, etc.) are charted by a team of trained analysts in the ESPN Stats & Information Group. Every play of every game is tracked by at least two different analysts to provide the most accurate representation of how each play occurred.
So subjectivity is in play, although there is an attempt to smooth it out with two analysts.
that Daniel Jones can't overcome his supporting cast? His sack pct is top-10 and he has all these weapons now. Enough excuses. He has to play consistently like a top-12 QB (or better) or he's a bust. So far in 2021, he looks like a bust.
Can we PLEASE stop creating Daniel Jones threads. This guy has alerts set for when his name is uttered.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
There was plenty of excellent quarterbacking in display this past weekend. We know what it looks like. The next glimpse of excellence I see from Jones will be the first.
Excellence. Give me a break. The standards here are pathetic.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
You are free to feel your posts are worth a wet bat shit.
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
So let me understand something...
Gettleman assembled the roster and the roster sucks because Gettleman is incompetent. I'm with you there. This is a bottom five roster assembled by a moron. Where you lose me is...
This same moron, using his same moron methods, drafted a good quarterback in Jones?
Why is Jones separated from the rest of the terrible roster?
another fucking jackass comment by terps.
Just because you think dave has drafted like shit doesnt mean jones is shit.
One thing has nothing to do with another.
1. even if you believe dave has been shit in draft(i dont), then even a blind squirrel can find a nut
2. you think dave was average or good (i do), just can be part of that good.
Just because he has drafted some busts, doesnt mean jones is one. Reese fucking sucked dick for a decade in the draft. he dafted OBJ who if he hadnt gotten hurt was probably on his way to a fantastic career.
Again, just because he drafted poorly at times, doesnt mean all his picks are bad players.
Jones seems to be a solid player. Rosters 100% matter. saying they dont is a fucking joke. brady is a perfect example. he looked close to done in NE, goes to tampa and dominates...why? take a look at that offense. take a look at that OL, brady doesnt get sniffed. Take a look at that defense last year that constantly got off the field and gave brady chances.
Go terps. You have an agenda to shit on jones. Its fine I’m not offended. We see talent very differently and that’s fine. Asking someone what they thought of eli isn’t a crazy questions. Many wanted him replaced along with Tommy C. We know how that turned out. Let’s give Daniel some actual help and we’ll see the product. I hope this or the next regime doesn’t neglect the line again. If we build him a nice wall he can spin it with the best of them.
That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
RE: RE: RE: Just because he missed on a bunch of guys
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
You are free to feel your posts are worth a wet bat shit.
That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
that Daniel Jones can't overcome his supporting cast? His sack pct is top-10 and he has all these weapons now. Enough excuses. He has to play consistently like a top-12 QB (or better) or he's a bust. So far in 2021, he looks like a bust.
Do you even watch the games? Do you even understand football? He's a bust? It is a moronic excuse that he can't overcome his supporting cast? By any metric and the all important eye test he has played well this year despite all that's gone on around him and all the guys he's lost, the receivers', 3/5s of the OL plus some of the backups, We can add in most of his skill players being out all of camp. All of this and he's still played well and showed real progress. See it's not an excuse cause he's played well. I know lets leave out the Offensive player of the week award and lets take it as gospel that the head of the three anti Jones Amigos says he's bad and that Mitch Fuckin Trubisky is better. Seriously what kind of lives do you guys lead that you spend all your time trolling a Giants website launching relentless attacks on the teams QB and giggling in public about your Justin Hebert circle jerks.
The don’t take into account the team’s rushing stats. They don’t account for YAC. Average 2nd/3rd down and distance. Other important factors that impact QB play.
I think Jones has improved. Let’s see how it goes when AT is back and all the weapons are healthy. I think he will be in the 9-13 range.
What’s more important are drives that finish the game like New Orleans. Consistent play in big spots wins big games/championships. Let’s see more of that.
That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
Correct and the ones who do that professionally and former players who played the position love what Jones does. They too blame the roster specifically the line.
That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
Correct and the ones who do that professionally and former players who played the position love what Jones does. They too blame the roster specifically the line.
Nope. Not great arm talent. Slow to read the field. Panics under pressure. Inaccurate in short to intermediate game. Often locks on targets. Slow to get rid of the ball. Occasionally throws a pretty deep ball. Does bettwr with designed reads. Struggles out of structure.
I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I look forward to your honesty.
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
when BleedBlue is on one side of an argument you can be sure the other side is likely to be correct.
His posts read like he breathes through gills.
haha no....you just have an agenda to shit on Jones.
As i have always said, i PRAY to god we take who YOU want next april so we dont have to hear you running your cock smoker.
Youre as fucking annoying as they come. You legit sit here and say that supporting cast means nothing and provide ZERO factual evidence for this. Ive given an example where your team matters. as some have mentioned this isnt golf. Football more than any sport, you rely on the man next to you. The OL is shaky at best outside of thomas. the WRs have been good but if you dont have time you cant throw. also, im not even sure why we are having this convo. jones has performed pretty well this year and is the least of our problems. our defense cant stop a nosebleed at this point
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
Right, it is Archer's opinion. So I genuinely want to see what he replies.
All of those examples I list our QBs, I believe, who are better mentally and physically than Jones, so I struggle to see anyone making a case that Jones could switch with any of them and those teams don't miss a beat.
BTW, at its core, BBI is a debate site. So I don't confuse debate with trolling. If you want a monolithic site, BBI will become rather boring and with a lot less posters. Well, quality posters...
Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
Agree. This is not an argument it’s a fact. DJ has been playing with a much weaker supporting cast for the past 2 years. If you can’t see that then you shouldn’t bother posting any comments about DJ.
Jones has some good metrics, but the offense just isn't getting it done with enough PPG. And I heap a lot of that on Jones.
Now everyone pick a side...
A) He is top-5, at least!!!
B) Maybe...maybe 18th best in the NFC
B) Maybe...maybe 18th best in the NFC
Sixteen teams in the NFC and Jones 18th at best. That stinks. ;)
Prescott is ahead in YPA, AY/A, completion % and total TDs.
He has to throw for more TDs.
So you're saying Daniel Jones is better than Dak Prescott.
Even the guys that like Jones point to Tannehill or Cousins as his ceiling. Even if that's accurate, that simply isn't good enough. If that's the ceiling of the range of expected outcomes, you have to look elsewhere.
It's fine to defend Daniel Jones, but at least deal with facts. Dak's completion % is almost 10 points higher, he's thrown 9 more TD passes, and has more yardage and YPA (albeit very slightly). There are some QB's higher on the list that I would put Jones above, but there are also some lower that I would have above him.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
Herbert at #2. Fucking hell.
I understand QBR, but it's still based on a person/analyst passing judgment on the QB's performance.
I think AY/A is pretty damn solid because it's basically YPA extended by adjusting for TDs and INTs.
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Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
Dak Prescott is 2nd
Daniel Jones is 19th
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Go look through those stats and understand that QBR is a clear indication of how a qb is playing
I understand QBR, but it's still based on a person/analyst passing judgment on the QB's performance.
I think AY/A is pretty damn solid because it's basically YPA extended by adjusting for TDs and INTs.
It isn’t exactly an opinion of a performance. It’s more calculated by weighing things evenly and the meaning of the play. EPA is a good statistic. If you look at those stats he’s slightly ahead of Prescott in each one. He’s been playing lights out on a bad football team. It’s not his fault our OC shits the bed in the redzone
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Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
So let me understand something...
Gettleman assembled the roster and the roster sucks because Gettleman is incompetent. I'm with you there. This is a bottom five roster assembled by a moron. Where you lose me is...
This same moron, using his same moron methods, drafted a good quarterback in Jones?
Why is Jones separated from the rest of the terrible roster?
But note this from ESPN...
So subjectivity is in play, although there is an attempt to smooth it out with two analysts.
But note this from ESPN...
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The details of every play (air yards, drops, pressures, etc.) are charted by a team of trained analysts in the ESPN Stats & Information Group. Every play of every game is tracked by at least two different analysts to provide the most accurate representation of how each play occurred.
So subjectivity is in play, although there is an attempt to smooth it out with two analysts.
Why is QBR > Passer Rating?
Can we PLEASE stop creating Daniel Jones threads. This guy has alerts set for when his name is uttered.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
Needs to show much more for a second contract.
Why is QBR > Passer Rating?
It accounts for more variables. Passer Rating doesn't account for sacks, fumbles, rushing TDs, rushing yards, garbage time yardage, etc.
Excellence. Give me a break. The standards here are pathetic.
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Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
You are free to feel your posts are worth a wet bat shit.
They are not.
Inane argument.
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In comment 15412533 Tuckrule said:
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Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
So you just ignore the lack of talent along the line and the constant pressures and the fact jones has masked solders horrific season by running for his life. Got it!
Hate to break the news to you. Jones was drafted 6th overall which means he was on a bad team right away and the team hasn’t really drafted well and never addressed the line, which you know, kinda keeps a quarterback Upright.
Dak was drafted to a team that went 12-4. That team was loaded. They drafted Elliot because they collapsed after romo went down. Before Romo got hurt they were 3-1. They had a high first round pick took Elliot. He was drafted to a ready made offense. They added a great back. I’m sorry but context matters and the quality of the talent around you matters. This isn’t golf. It’s football. You need help in this sport. Was Brady done with the pats because he sucked? No. The roster wasn’t good. All of a sudden he goes to tampa and he’s brad again. It’s called having talent around you. Rosters matter
So let me understand something...
Gettleman assembled the roster and the roster sucks because Gettleman is incompetent. I'm with you there. This is a bottom five roster assembled by a moron. Where you lose me is...
This same moron, using his same moron methods, drafted a good quarterback in Jones?
Why is Jones separated from the rest of the terrible roster?
another fucking jackass comment by terps.
Just because you think dave has drafted like shit doesnt mean jones is shit.
One thing has nothing to do with another.
1. even if you believe dave has been shit in draft(i dont), then even a blind squirrel can find a nut
2. you think dave was average or good (i do), just can be part of that good.
Just because he has drafted some busts, doesnt mean jones is one. Reese fucking sucked dick for a decade in the draft. he dafted OBJ who if he hadnt gotten hurt was probably on his way to a fantastic career.
Again, just because he drafted poorly at times, doesnt mean all his picks are bad players.
Jones seems to be a solid player. Rosters 100% matter. saying they dont is a fucking joke. brady is a perfect example. he looked close to done in NE, goes to tampa and dominates...why? take a look at that offense. take a look at that OL, brady doesnt get sniffed. Take a look at that defense last year that constantly got off the field and gave brady chances.
His posts read like he breathes through gills.
Let's take Dak for example and put him on the Giants and Jones on the Cowboys
I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
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In comment 15412586 Tuckrule said:
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It doesn’t mean he missed on all.
Jones to me is a good nfl qb. Will he be Rodgers, mahomes, Allen or Herbert. No he isn’t that but is he an above average nfl qb? 100 percent he is. I personally believe his ceiling is very high. It’s hard to see any consistency when we are shuffling offensive lineman weekly. Like I said, this was the first year he had real talent on the outside but the line has regressed.
Another example of a guy DG hit on is Andrew Thomas.
This is a flawed roster no doubt about it. The line has been neglected but if I’m the gm of the giants I keep Daniel Jones. We have seen glimpses of excellence but there is no consistency around him. The only constant is a poor offensive line. This week vs Dallas jones looked like a different QB with solder blocking his blindside.
You are free to think Jones is an above average NFL QB, but he is not.
You are free to feel your posts are worth a wet bat shit.
They are not.
Did I hurt your feelings by stating the obvious?
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
Do you even watch the games? Do you even understand football? He's a bust? It is a moronic excuse that he can't overcome his supporting cast? By any metric and the all important eye test he has played well this year despite all that's gone on around him and all the guys he's lost, the receivers', 3/5s of the OL plus some of the backups, We can add in most of his skill players being out all of camp. All of this and he's still played well and showed real progress. See it's not an excuse cause he's played well. I know lets leave out the Offensive player of the week award and lets take it as gospel that the head of the three anti Jones Amigos says he's bad and that Mitch Fuckin Trubisky is better. Seriously what kind of lives do you guys lead that you spend all your time trolling a Giants website launching relentless attacks on the teams QB and giggling in public about your Justin Hebert circle jerks.
I think Jones has improved. Let’s see how it goes when AT is back and all the weapons are healthy. I think he will be in the 9-13 range.
What’s more important are drives that finish the game like New Orleans. Consistent play in big spots wins big games/championships. Let’s see more of that.
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That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
Correct and the ones who do that professionally and former players who played the position love what Jones does. They too blame the roster specifically the line.
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In comment 15412623 Tuckrule said:
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That’s a big no no. Terps is going to lose it. He doesn’t look at that. He looks at playing QB in a vacuum. Roster doesn’t matter. Coaches don’t matter. Nothing matters.
Most QB analysts isolate traits and assess QBs independent of context.
Correct and the ones who do that professionally and former players who played the position love what Jones does. They too blame the roster specifically the line.
Nope. Not great arm talent. Slow to read the field. Panics under pressure. Inaccurate in short to intermediate game. Often locks on targets. Slow to get rid of the ball. Occasionally throws a pretty deep ball. Does bettwr with designed reads. Struggles out of structure.
I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I look forward to your honesty.
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I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I look forward to your honesty.
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
His posts read like he breathes through gills.
haha no....you just have an agenda to shit on Jones.
As i have always said, i PRAY to god we take who YOU want next april so we dont have to hear you running your cock smoker.
Youre as fucking annoying as they come. You legit sit here and say that supporting cast means nothing and provide ZERO factual evidence for this. Ive given an example where your team matters. as some have mentioned this isnt golf. Football more than any sport, you rely on the man next to you. The OL is shaky at best outside of thomas. the WRs have been good but if you dont have time you cant throw. also, im not even sure why we are having this convo. jones has performed pretty well this year and is the least of our problems. our defense cant stop a nosebleed at this point
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
Right, it is Archer's opinion. So I genuinely want to see what he replies.
All of those examples I list our QBs, I believe, who are better mentally and physically than Jones, so I struggle to see anyone making a case that Jones could switch with any of them and those teams don't miss a beat.
BTW, at its core, BBI is a debate site. So I don't confuse debate with trolling. If you want a monolithic site, BBI will become rather boring and with a lot less posters. Well, quality posters...
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Not saying he’s better but your not comparing apples to apples the roster Dak has been with since he entered the league was a championship caliber offense. Great offensive line. Bruising running back and very good skill guys. He’s had 3 legit all pros on the offensive line. Since jones entered the league his offense has been atrocious from the line to the skill guys. This is the first year he has legit talent at the skill positions but again, the line just isn’t there. If you insert jones as Dallas QB he’d perform just as well if not better than dak.
God damn it these types of arguments are inane and more numerous by the day. Dak isn't on the Giants and Jones isn't on the Cowboys.
Fucking hell.
Agree. This is not an argument it’s a fact. DJ has been playing with a much weaker supporting cast for the past 2 years. If you can’t see that then you shouldn’t bother posting any comments about DJ.