I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I look forward to your honesty.
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
that Daniel Jones can't overcome his supporting cast? His sack pct is top-10 and he has all these weapons now. Enough excuses. He has to play consistently like a top-12 QB (or better) or he's a bust. So far in 2021, he looks like a bust.
He had all these weapons on the field for first time in the 4th game of this season. I get it some people don’t like the pick but we are not getting anyone next year because we have too many other needs and no good prospects for QB next year.
He had all these weapons on the field for first time in the 4th game of this season. I get it some people don’t like the pick but we are not getting anyone next year because we have too many other needs and no good prospects for QB next year.
Malik Willis is a very good QB prospect. Coral is interesting.
On here Jacoby Brisset is better and so is Marcus Mariota. Let's get those guys, this offense will immediately improve. Their passes will not bounce off Engram' hands, won't lose the ball after being blindsided by the DE from a missed block by Solder, and will make guys like Shepard and Slayton into potential top 20 guys.
that Daniel Jones can't overcome his supporting cast? His sack pct is top-10 and he has all these weapons now. Enough excuses. He has to play consistently like a top-12 QB (or better) or he's a bust. So far in 2021, he looks like a bust.
Listen we get you hate him as you have stated many times.
You have zero credibility on Daniel Jones and any comments on him.
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
Right, it is Archer's opinion. So I genuinely want to see what he replies.
All of those examples I list our QBs, I believe, who are better mentally and physically than Jones, so I struggle to see anyone making a case that Jones could switch with any of them and those teams don't miss a beat.
BTW, at its core, BBI is a debate site. So I don't confuse debate with trolling. If you want a monolithic site, BBI will become rather boring and with a lot less posters. Well, quality posters...
Thanks for the lesson on the site. How are we going to debate this, by plugging in what data too make our points? Lobbing something out there so those in your camp can rush in to ridicule isn't exactly debate, nor is saying something like it's gospel. BTW I agree that a one opinion site would be boring and lose posters just like a site where the true debate is sullied by a group that wants to do nothing but push one point as nauseum will and thats already happened in droves and they were equality posters.
Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
I'm saying NOW. Who gives a shit? That run was too good to worry about late November stats when literally months later he went on to have one of the best post seasons an NFL QB could have.
You're the comparing the NFL in this era to one 15 years ago.
Eli had some pretty solid numbers for back then in 2005, 2006.
Jones threw for 11 touchdowns in one season ... in 2020 NFL. Lol. What is that? A week or two's work for Dak? Allen?
Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. Plus he is a young quarterback who has started 31 games with two different offenses during covid. What I don't get about this place is how so many people forget about that. While I'm at it the rest of the statements mean a hell of a lot to a quarterback's success, except for the least one and once again the guy has started 31 games, etc.
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. Plus he is a young quarterback who has started 31 games with two different offenses during covid. What I don't get about this place is how so many people forget about that. While I'm at it the rest of the statements mean a hell of a lot to a quarterback's success, except for the least one and once again the guy has started 31 games, etc.
Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
Dak's been in the league a lot longer, playing behind a hell of a lot better line and the intermediate and short throw accuracy is conjecture, trumped up because you can't argue about his deep ball accuracy
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. .
No you're not. I didn't ask you what you like about Jones. I am asking how you *know* he's better than Dak Prescott. Or even a Carson Wentz or Darnold for that matter.
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. .
No you're not. I didn't ask you what you like about Jones. I am asking how you *know* he's better than Dak Prescott. Or even a Carson Wentz or Darnold for that matter.
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
I'm answering this and that's all bro. That is all, I don't give a crap about the rest of that stuff.
Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
Put it this way: would Dak be as good as he is behind our offensive line?
Also, if you don't think offensive lines don't impact a quarterback's performance, watch the most recent Super Bowl with the Buccanneers against the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is one of the top quarterbacks in the league right now; put him behind a makeshift offensive line where both tackles were out and he had a bad day.
Everyone on this board would love it if Jones becomes the player you think he already is. But your opinion that Dak and Jones are largely interchangeable when it comes to talent is not shared by anyone outside of the Giants fan base.
Everyone on this board would love it if Jones becomes the player you think he already is. But your opinion that Dak and Jones are largely interchangeable when it comes to talent is not shared by anyone outside of the Giants fan base.
That's not my opinion, Dak is a far more developed QB playing in a far better situation so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.
Everyone on this board would love it if Jones becomes the player you think he already is. But your opinion that Dak and Jones are largely interchangeable when it comes to talent is not shared by anyone outside of the Giants fan base.
That's not my opinion, Dak is a far more developed QB playing in a far better situation so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.
What I meant to say is he should make quicker and better decisions right now.
You seem to really be struggling with reading comprehension tonight.
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giant
You seem to really be struggling with reading comprehension tonight.
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giants than Jones has had. Jones would have worse results than Dak has had with Dallas.
Dak is a more talented individual player than Jones. That is an almost unanimous decision held by people who are not Giants fans.
You seem to really be struggling with reading comprehension tonight.
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giant
Right. I see what you’re saying about Dak and I’m not sure if Dak would do as well behind the Giants’ offensive line.
But you don’t need to insult me on the way there.
If Jones is so great why are we running a remedial offense for him?
Knocking him all afternoon/night because he’s ranked #18 out of 32, you have a QB problem.
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
RE: When you have threads about your QB and people are defending and
Knocking him all afternoon/night because he’s ranked #18 out of 32, you have a QB problem.
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
Hitching his wagon to Jones…
RE: If Jones is so great why are we running a remedial offense for him?
It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
But the problem with some of the posters on this thread that keep zapping Jones; do you keep shitting on Jones because he isn't "Mahomes?"
Yes Giants can do better, but also Jones can elevate to be a good QB. To close the books on him and exaggerate like three of the posters are on this thread, is way too extreme.
In regard to specifically the Cowboys vs the Giants. Tell me of the 5 Offensive linemen playing their respective positions on that day, how many Giants would you have taken? What about the Tight End? What about the RB? Of Course Toney the number 1 receiver but can’t say Golladay, right? He was hurt during the game.
Jones is not as good as Dak, no argument. But there should be no argument that nearly every other position Dallas is better in that game, right? SO can’t we conclude that at some level Jones is not playing so far with near the level of quality that Dak has at his disposal?
RE: When you have threads about your QB and people are defending and
Knocking him all afternoon/night because he’s ranked #18 out of 32, you have a QB problem.
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
IS this a joke?
Raiders fans?
C'mon some of you are really out to lunch when it comes to Jones.
Raiders fans love their QB?
Are you out of your mind????
RE: RE: If Jones is so great why are we running a remedial offense for him?
It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
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But the problem with some of the posters on this thread that keep zapping Jones; do you keep shitting on Jones because he isn't "Mahomes?"
Yes Giants can do better, but also Jones can elevate to be a good QB. To close the books on him and exaggerate like three of the posters are on this thread, is way too extreme.
In regard to specifically the Cowboys vs the Giants. Tell me of the 5 Offensive linemen playing their respective positions on that day, how many Giants would you have taken? What about the Tight End? What about the RB? Of Course Toney the number 1 receiver but can’t say Golladay, right? He was hurt during the game.
Jones is not as good as Dak, no argument. But there should be no argument that nearly every other position Dallas is better in that game, right? SO can’t we conclude that at some level Jones is not playing so far with near the level of quality that Dak has at his disposal?
This place needs to stop with this line bullshit. While yes maybe Dak has that luxury--and to be honest I have no idea how he would fare without it. I do know this... QBs can perform under pressure. And further, this line, this year has not been that bad at all.
I saw Carson Wentz under pressure in the 1st qtr in MNF pretty much the whole 1st Qtr, but there was Wentz throwing out to the flat ; taking the lead ; sling ing the ball well ; going to toe to toe with Lamar Jackson. And then there is Jackson, starting out slow and then coming on late in the game ; then being completely electric. These guys are big league QBs. Jones is not one. It is just that simple.
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I believe that Dak would be awful without the Dallas offensive line and a superior running game on the Giants while Jones would be a top 3 QB
Top 3 QB? Do you just write that with a straight face? Humor me - who would be the other two?
Which leads me to...
Could Jones perform with KC the way Mahomes does?
Could Jones perform with LAC the way Herbert does?
Could Jones perform with Balt the way LJax does?
Could Jones perform in Tampa the way TB12 does?
Could Jones perform in Green Bay the way Rodgers does?
Could Jones perform in Seattle the way Wilson does?
Could Jones perform in Buffalo the way Allen does?
Could Jones perform in Arizona the way Murray does?
I look forward to your honesty.
See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
He had all these weapons on the field for first time in the 4th game of this season. I get it some people don’t like the pick but we are not getting anyone next year because we have too many other needs and no good prospects for QB next year.
He had all these weapons on the field for first time in the 4th game of this season. I get it some people don’t like the pick but we are not getting anyone next year because we have too many other needs and no good prospects for QB next year.
Malik Willis is a very good QB prospect. Coral is interesting.
Some of the posts here are insane.
Listen we get you hate him as you have stated many times.
You have zero credibility on Daniel Jones and any comments on him.
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See BW Archer is saying he believes as that is his opinion and it's subjective. We'll never know because he's not on those teams at this moment. He's not just making statements like their gospel like Jones has a slow windup or panics under pressure. I believe you are asking this so your buddies on BBI can all roll in giggling about how ridiculous it is and you can all segue into how absolutely fantastic Justin Hebert is. What this accomplishes beyond it being another way to attack the starting QB of the team that most people on this site root for is anybody's guess unless you're just looking to troll the site once again.
Right, it is Archer's opinion. So I genuinely want to see what he replies.
All of those examples I list our QBs, I believe, who are better mentally and physically than Jones, so I struggle to see anyone making a case that Jones could switch with any of them and those teams don't miss a beat.
BTW, at its core, BBI is a debate site. So I don't confuse debate with trolling. If you want a monolithic site, BBI will become rather boring and with a lot less posters. Well, quality posters...
Thanks for the lesson on the site. How are we going to debate this, by plugging in what data too make our points? Lobbing something out there so those in your camp can rush in to ridicule isn't exactly debate, nor is saying something like it's gospel. BTW I agree that a one opinion site would be boring and lose posters just like a site where the true debate is sullied by a group that wants to do nothing but push one point as nauseum will and thats already happened in droves and they were equality posters.
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
And from the mountaintop comes this....
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Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
And I heap a lot of that on Jones.
Not even close to being true.
Not even close.
They can do better and cna even try to draft. Go for it if you find one better.
You're the comparing the NFL in this era to one 15 years ago.
Eli had some pretty solid numbers for back then in 2005, 2006.
Jones threw for 11 touchdowns in one season ... in 2020 NFL. Lol. What is that? A week or two's work for Dak? Allen?
IS this a joke??????????
He hasn't had his best receivers.
Please some of you can you pretend that you even watched a game?
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
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Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
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Do you even watch the games? Do you even understand football?
He doesn't. One or the other- that's him.
He once told me if he were GM every year he'd draft a QB until he got one that is elite.
He thinks football is a one player sport.
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Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
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Curious what you thought of eli after he was 3 plus years and had his 4 pick game vs Minny
In 2007, I thought the separated shoulder injury from early on in the year was bugging Eli and him projected to be out 4-6 weeks but still playing kind of gave me a reason to give him a pass.
Ya... His numbers weren't pretty for the 07 season but what New York Giants fan on this Earth gives an honest fuck about regular season stats with the Super Bowl 42 run under his belt?
Being a QB was a tad different in 2004 than it was in 2019. So I don't really like the comparison.
Lmao. It wasnt under his belt buddy. This was November of 2007 when he threw 4 picks. So The Who gives a fuck comment is kind of funny.
What answer are you looking for? I hear this question asked a lot on here by someone who is looking to pump up jones. What ? I felt the same about Eli . And Eli sucks because he had a 4 int game?
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
I forgot his running.
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
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Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. Plus he is a young quarterback who has started 31 games with two different offenses during covid. What I don't get about this place is how so many people forget about that. While I'm at it the rest of the statements mean a hell of a lot to a quarterback's success, except for the least one and once again the guy has started 31 games, etc.
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Accurate with the ability to make some great throws, quick release, tough, responds well to adversity, keeps getting better and shows the ability to work on his game and improve.
See this is type of thing I don't get about this place. This kind of explanation is one a QB potential and still like a rookie. But Jones is not a rookie ; although it seems like the coaching staff has his training wheels on. The only statement you mentioned of any substance is accurate part which coming off the last game; when it mattered most jones was very unaccurate. and ok he is on a team where he doesn't get to play meaningful football to compare that to Eli who was pretty much always playing meaningful games. And while he had bad games he was sometimes outplaying some of the best in the league in head on match -ups. It is bullshit comparison. Jones has yet to give a top ranked qb a run for their money let alone shine better than one; while Eli has by year 3.
So how are you comparing what basically amounts to an up and comer who is failing to compete--for whatever reason-- with people who are hitting their stride?
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. Plus he is a young quarterback who has started 31 games with two different offenses during covid. What I don't get about this place is how so many people forget about that. While I'm at it the rest of the statements mean a hell of a lot to a quarterback's success, except for the least one and once again the guy has started 31 games, etc.
The last but not least one...
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
He probably has had one of the best if not best 2nd’3rd down and distance for the bulk of his career. Certainly makes QB play a heck of a lot easier.
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
Dak's been in the league a lot longer, playing behind a hell of a lot better line and the intermediate and short throw accuracy is conjecture, trumped up because you can't argue about his deep ball accuracy
I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. .
No you're not. I didn't ask you what you like about Jones. I am asking how you *know* he's better than Dak Prescott. Or even a Carson Wentz or Darnold for that matter.
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I'm answering your question about what I like about him and that's it. .
No you're not. I didn't ask you what you like about Jones. I am asking how you *know* he's better than Dak Prescott. Or even a Carson Wentz or Darnold for that matter.
Also for Jones pumpers who say that it is unfair to evaluate jones because of this roster then ; by that same argument -- what do you see that's so great that you pump him up so?
I'm answering this and that's all bro. That is all, I don't give a crap about the rest of that stuff.
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
So how well would Dak do passing behind our offensive line?
Significantly better. He makes quicker and better decisions
You sure have a lot of faith in them. More than I have certainly.
Your posts don’t make any sense. Why do I have faith in the Giants line because I said Dak would do better than Jones behind them? The line is the same in this scenario.
Dak makes decision quicker and gets rid of the ball quicker than Jones. That helps when there is pressure. Dak is also more accurate on short and intermediate throws which are more common when there is pressure. Those factors would lead to him having more success than Jones behind this same line.
Put it this way: would Dak be as good as he is behind our offensive line?
Also, if you don't think offensive lines don't impact a quarterback's performance, watch the most recent Super Bowl with the Buccanneers against the Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes is one of the top quarterbacks in the league right now; put him behind a makeshift offensive line where both tackles were out and he had a bad day.
That's not my opinion, Dak is a far more developed QB playing in a far better situation so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.
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Everyone on this board would love it if Jones becomes the player you think he already is. But your opinion that Dak and Jones are largely interchangeable when it comes to talent is not shared by anyone outside of the Giants fan base.
That's not my opinion, Dak is a far more developed QB playing in a far better situation so I probably shouldn't have responded at all.
What I meant to say is he should make quicker and better decisions right now.
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giant
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giants than Jones has had. Jones would have worse results than Dak has had with Dallas.
Dak is a more talented individual player than Jones. That is an almost unanimous decision held by people who are not Giants fans.
You asked is Dak would be better than Jones behind the Giants line. I answered yes and explained why.
Did I say Dak would be just as good with the Giants as he is with the Cowboys? No. Dallas has built a better roster and drafted much better. I also never said Offensive line play doesn’t impact QB play. You keep changing the argument and attributing things to me that I never said.
I’ll make this simple. If Dak and Jones were traded straight up for each other tomorrow, Dak would have better results with the Giant
Right. I see what you’re saying about Dak and I’m not sure if Dak would do as well behind the Giants’ offensive line.
But you don’t need to insult me on the way there.
Why does Jones need training wheels?
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
Hitching his wagon to Jones…
Why does Jones need training wheels?
What in God's name are you talking about?
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Than Daniel Jones. It isn’t close. Stop with that silliness.
Some of the posts here are insane.
+1. This team's last several seasons have broken a lot of people's brains.0
Why does anyone on hear care? They are two different QBs at different stages of development playing in two entirely different situations.
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If they think Daniel Jones is as good as Dak.
Why does anyone on hear care? They are two different QBs at different stages of development playing in two entirely different situations.
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If they think Daniel Jones is as good as Dak.
Why does anyone on hear care? They are two different QBs at different stages of development playing in two entirely different situations.
Because someone on here compared the two, saying or suggesting that DJ is just as good as Dak, and that is super homerism.
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It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
But the problem with some of the posters on this thread that keep zapping Jones; do you keep shitting on Jones because he isn't "Mahomes?"
Yes Giants can do better, but also Jones can elevate to be a good QB. To close the books on him and exaggerate like three of the posters are on this thread, is way too extreme.
In regard to specifically the Cowboys vs the Giants. Tell me of the 5 Offensive linemen playing their respective positions on that day, how many Giants would you have taken? What about the Tight End? What about the RB? Of Course Toney the number 1 receiver but can’t say Golladay, right? He was hurt during the game.
Jones is not as good as Dak, no argument. But there should be no argument that nearly every other position Dallas is better in that game, right? SO can’t we conclude that at some level Jones is not playing so far with near the level of quality that Dak has at his disposal?
You think charger, cowboy, cardinal, packer, buc, seahawk, chief, ram, bill, and raider fans are having this discussion?
I for one cannot wait until Dave is gone and Judge is given a one year reprieve. THEN we’ll see how he really feels about Daniel Jones. Is he hitching just wagon to Daniel with his job on the line?
IS this a joke?
Raiders fans?
C'mon some of you are really out to lunch when it comes to Jones.
Raiders fans love their QB?
Are you out of your mind????
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Herbert by game 3 was the 3rd best QB in the league. He never needed training wheels.
Why does Jones need training wheels?
What in God's name are you talking about?
I know., That dude is so thick.
If you're not "Tom Brady" you suck.
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It's because we wish we had a QB like Herbert on our team, instead we're being told to settle for someone who's middle of the pack -at best. Why shouldn't we want to do better and have a top flight QB? A lot of those who won't lay an iota of blame on Jones don't realize it's not rooting against DJ, it's that we don't expect him to be good enough to be a SB contender.
As far as QB evaluations go, Darnold was in a much worse situation and the Jets still decided to move on. Was that the right decision? Remains to be seen, but to act like a QB cannot be evaluated in a bad situation is untrue
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But the problem with some of the posters on this thread that keep zapping Jones; do you keep shitting on Jones because he isn't "Mahomes?"
Yes Giants can do better, but also Jones can elevate to be a good QB. To close the books on him and exaggerate like three of the posters are on this thread, is way too extreme.
In regard to specifically the Cowboys vs the Giants. Tell me of the 5 Offensive linemen playing their respective positions on that day, how many Giants would you have taken? What about the Tight End? What about the RB? Of Course Toney the number 1 receiver but can’t say Golladay, right? He was hurt during the game.
Jones is not as good as Dak, no argument. But there should be no argument that nearly every other position Dallas is better in that game, right? SO can’t we conclude that at some level Jones is not playing so far with near the level of quality that Dak has at his disposal?
This place needs to stop with this line bullshit. While yes maybe Dak has that luxury--and to be honest I have no idea how he would fare without it. I do know this... QBs can perform under pressure. And further, this line, this year has not been that bad at all.
I saw Carson Wentz under pressure in the 1st qtr in MNF pretty much the whole 1st Qtr, but there was Wentz throwing out to the flat ; taking the lead ; sling ing the ball well ; going to toe to toe with Lamar Jackson. And then there is Jackson, starting out slow and then coming on late in the game ; then being completely electric. These guys are big league QBs. Jones is not one. It is just that simple.