Was fiddling with OvertheCap and according to their calculator tool, if the Giants cut Solder now, we take a higher cap hit this year, but we gain $4+ million in cap space next year, which we'll need. Seems like if we trade one of engram/peppers we could coincide that move with cutting solder, and get us some breathing room for the next off-season.
To me, if we do end up trading peppers/engram or anyone that can shave money off of this year's cap, we need to cut Solder immediately.
It would make sense actually.
It would make sense actually.
Really? Why?
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and have a stellar rest of his career.
It would make sense actually.
Really? Why?
Because it would fit in with the rest of our bad luck haha
Solder isn't eligible for the practice squad.
And, as was pointed out, we don't have the cap room to cut him now.
There s not much of a run game, but really considering the make-shift nature of this unit, they have been better than expected.
1) His 2021 salary dropped to 3M, but is fully guaranteed
2) 2022 was voided so there is no salary, but 4M of amortized bonus remains as dead money
In short cutting Solder saves no money. If he’s cut, the remainder of his salary accelerates, and still counts 3M against the cap.
The 4M next year will be there no matter what.
The only way to save money is if he’s traded. The acquiring team would be responsible for the pro-rated portion of his 3M salary, and the Giants would save that against this year’s cap.
The only way to save money is if he’s traded. The acquiring team would be responsible for the pro-rated portion of his 3M salary, and the Giants would save that against this year’s cap.
Maybe we can trade him to the Giants. They're the only team dumb enough to take him
You might label it a lost season, it I can guarantee you that is not the approach in that locker room
Except that unused cap room rolls over, so whatever you would do to clear enough room right now to release Solder, you could do anyway (if you were so inclined), and roll over the $4M to cover Solder's 2022 dead money. You'd end up in the same cap position.
There is absolutely no cap benefit to cutting Solder now. There may be roster benefits, but not salary cap.
Solder wasn't a bad signing because of the cost. He was a bad signing because he's talent deficient. He'd be a bad signing even at a reasonable cost.
Solder wasn't a bad signing because of the cost. He was a bad signing because he's talent deficient. He'd be a bad signing even at a reasonable cost.
Big free agent signings should be used on those players that "put you over the top" once your base was built through the draft. Solder was signed 100% to try and help build that base, its something we've done over and over again and it always bites us in the ass.
If we drafted properly, and someone like Flowers actually worked out, we wouldn't have been stuck over paying for a bad tackle out of desperation. Solder isn't the only case of this either.
Needs context, but he isn't flat out wrong. They didn't allow sacks. I feel like Sale and Co. have done a remarkable job on the line this year.
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I agree the smart move was to trade back and accumulate picks. However, when a team is crap, you have to use both FA and the draft to build. The trick is picking the right players.
Solder wasn't a bad signing because of the cost. He was a bad signing because he's talent deficient. He'd be a bad signing even at a reasonable cost.
Big free agent signings should be used on those players that "put you over the top" once your base was built through the draft. Solder was signed 100% to try and help build that base, its something we've done over and over again and it always bites us in the ass.
If we drafted properly, and someone like Flowers actually worked out, we wouldn't have been stuck over paying for a bad tackle out of desperation. Solder isn't the only case of this either.
Solder has been a bust because of his play on the field, and because it was very clearly a reactionary move after Norwell signed with Jacksonville. DG had to make some sort of splash OL signing after his "hawg mawllies" declaration, and Solder was next on the list after Norwell that year.
But if Flowers had worked out, we'd have ended up giving him the same contract, more or less, that we gave Solder. That's always the part that people tend to miss when they talk about signing FAs to cover up for draft busts. The draft picks that hit also get paid well, and there's no assurance that they're going to represent a discount.
The difference is that the guys that do hit don't usually get to free agency. The players that do shake free in FA either come with warts, grey hairs, or arthritis. Sometimes all of the above.
If that's the plan, then just trade Engram, keep Solder, and that unused cap room freed up by trading Engram will roll over to cover Solder's dead money next year.
There is no cap benefit to cutting Solder this year no matter how you want to look at it.
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I agree the smart move was to trade back and accumulate picks. However, when a team is crap, you have to use both FA and the draft to build. The trick is picking the right players.
Solder wasn't a bad signing because of the cost. He was a bad signing because he's talent deficient. He'd be a bad signing even at a reasonable cost.
Big free agent signings should be used on those players that "put you over the top" once your base was built through the draft. Solder was signed 100% to try and help build that base, its something we've done over and over again and it always bites us in the ass.
If we drafted properly, and someone like Flowers actually worked out, we wouldn't have been stuck over paying for a bad tackle out of desperation. Solder isn't the only case of this either.
+1.
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I agree the smart move was to trade back and accumulate picks. However, when a team is crap, you have to use both FA and the draft to build. The trick is picking the right players.
Solder wasn't a bad signing because of the cost. He was a bad signing because he's talent deficient. He'd be a bad signing even at a reasonable cost.
Big free agent signings should be used on those players that "put you over the top" once your base was built through the draft. Solder was signed 100% to try and help build that base, its something we've done over and over again and it always bites us in the ass.
If we drafted properly, and someone like Flowers actually worked out, we wouldn't have been stuck over paying for a bad tackle out of desperation. Solder isn't the only case of this either.
Solder has been a bust because of his play on the field, and because it was very clearly a reactionary move after Norwell signed with Jacksonville. DG had to make some sort of splash OL signing after his "hawg mawllies" declaration, and Solder was next on the list after Norwell that year.
But if Flowers had worked out, we'd have ended up giving him the same contract, more or less, that we gave Solder. That's always the part that people tend to miss when they talk about signing FAs to cover up for draft busts. The draft picks that hit also get paid well, and there's no assurance that they're going to represent a discount.
The difference is that the guys that do hit don't usually get to free agency. The players that do shake free in FA either come with warts, grey hairs, or arthritis. Sometimes all of the above.
The major difference with using the money to retain your own guy vs sign street free agents is you know exactly what you're getting, how it performs in your building and typically its at a slight discount.
To your point, street free agents come with worts and a premium price tag, which doesn't work as a strategy to build your base.
As you mentioned that they would have used the money to sign Norwell instead, would that have really made us a better team? There were still holes all over the roster that needed to be covered. We won't be good until we actually start drafting well enough to build a team.
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If we decide the season is lost. Cut him and trade someone like Engram, allowing the accelerated bonus to hit this year rather than next. There is no unused cap space that rolls over otherwise. This is what the cowboys did with Jaylon Smith.
If that's the plan, then just trade Engram, keep Solder, and that unused cap room freed up by trading Engram will roll over to cover Solder's dead money next year.
There is no cap benefit to cutting Solder this year no matter how you want to look at it.
Exactly.
The Giants also only have 2.5M in cap space in 2021, so they couldn’t even absorb an acceleration.