and little patience for less than that. A bit too much hubris perhaps but his cause was essentially pointing out flawed thinking and premature leaps to conclusions. He is likely bowing out of the corner forum because so many of the discussions here are boring right now.
Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.
I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.
It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.
Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.
Excellent post
RE: RE: Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?
honestly I stayed out of threads where he was attacking other posters...it was way too toxic.
It was basically this. fmic could have football conversations but were few and far between. He was far more interested in going at it with posters to rip into their opinions causing much the endless drama on threads. Very often the instigator and always the one to be mostly shouting at and cursing down others.
And interesting to see the short memories of some not able to recognize they were often right in the mix of that same drama, saying the same things over and over on numerous threads, or looking for the entertainment value of it all with their popcorn at the ready.
RE: he didn't fly off the handle with everyone that disagreed with him
however he definitely did with specific posters. That's kinda the point i'm making.
Specific posters were not 2 or 3. More like 30 or 40. And these are not trolls or newbies. They are intelligent posters with whom he simply held a different opinion, which in his mind made them idiots.
Agree with much of your posts UConn and Dan. I have the same feelings and same responses.
For me, there have always been bad Giant performances to deal with. There have always been 10-15 posters who are needy and damaged despite the correctable feedback they receive from many on the board. I dont ever remember the perfect storm of damaged or useless posters who chose football to show their flawed abilities to interact and at a time the Giants stink up the joint. A Perfect Storm. Honestly rather than re watch the same movie, I've found other ways to deploy my time.
And these thoughts are just imho:
1) I thought the majority of us long ago agreed that it was low class to post about someone who was not there? Reverse the scene. Would you think it was how men should act to other men? Or would the word Karen occur to you?
2) Given the players involved, I don't believe any version of what happened from any of them.
3) The revealing of personal names, sources, ways for our most damaged posters to cause havoc ( of which there are any examples over the last 15 years...for one...why do you think none of the female posters of a few years ago stay far away?). I thought one of the terms of membership was not crossing personal boundaries. If FMIC wanted to engage you or talk to you...he would. Why be shitty about another man's choices? It's not a valued connection by either party and it's so obvious you are not concerned nor he concerned about you if he hasn't reached out. That's an addiction to a source of stress and drama and not out of concern for a person.
The site is still here. It either works for a poster or it doesn't. Outside of a few friends still on here and reading Sy...lurking is a good option and so is getting on with life.
Imho
RE: RE: RE: Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?
however he definitely did with specific posters. That's kinda the point i'm making.
Specific posters were not 2 or 3. More like 30 or 40. And these are not trolls or newbies. They are intelligent posters with whom he simply held a different opinion, which in his mind made them idiots.
Difference of opinion on this one. A good poster can troll, I see it ALL the time.
and little patience for less than that. A bit too much hubris perhaps but his cause was essentially pointing out flawed thinking and premature leaps to conclusions. He is likely bowing out of the corner forum because so many of the discussions here are boring right now.
Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.
I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.
It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.
Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.
Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low.
Being someone that has been on this site since the mid 90s, i can tell you that the quality of discussion on this site usually goes with how the team goes. its always better in years that the team is playing well.
the team has completely sucked for 10 years, so the quality of discussion has gone right along with it
I know he's an old member of the board, but surprised how people just gloss over his temperament and love him.
the dude would fly off the handle at anyone who disagreed with him, which makes the fact that he took a completely incorrect position on Giants management + Gettleman even funnier.
Now that I know which of the guys he is on the three angry Giants fans podcast, I'm stoked to listen and see if his personality on there matches his online persona.
Not everyone can refrain from flying off the handle and keep calm like you do.
I also disagree that he only flew off the handle for specific posters
Maybe it wasn't always that way, but I feel like the past couple years at least he's always packaged an insult in his response to anyone who has disagreed with him in the slightest. As a reader it's just tiring because it usually cascades into a boring tit for tat after that.
He called Rico (definitely not a troll) "a fucking moron" once simply for sharing asshat information which turned out to be correct. Everyone gets worked up on here once and a while, but I thought it was lame that he didn't even bother to apologize afterwards.
This place is a lesser place and certainly less interesting place without him here. I value intelligence here. I don’t mind being insulted. I have been called things here over the years that make FMIC critical comments look polite. Not sure why being insulted on an anonymous forum is so upsetting but I guess that I can understand. I hate forums where discussions getting kind of tough is an offense that deserves banning. Either hit back or ignore both of which tactics that I have used at times.
RE: RE: FMiC has strong critical thinking skills...
Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low.
Being someone that has been on this site since the mid 90s, i can tell you that the quality of discussion on this site usually goes with how the team goes. its always better in years that the team is playing well.
the team has completely sucked for 10 years, so the quality of discussion has gone right along with it
It wasn't this bad until recently. Its at an all time low and it has nothing to do with being bad since we've been bad the whole time.
There was just a lengthy thread that went on for days on this exact same topic. It was deleted a day or two ago. By the OP, or by mods once again protecting FMiC?
above my pay grade, but I just want to contribute one idea to the discussion:
could it be that as the quality of play on the field degrades, the quality of conversation on BBI goes with it? If the "hey day" of BBI was about 10 years ago (arguably), then that would correspond with the absolute height of the franchise, wouldn't it?
The one thing all of us have in common is that we love the NY football Giants. And right now they are a tremendous source of anger and frustration. This is simply the most likely venue for us, as fans, to release our anger. That we release it on each other is unfortunate, but also totally expected.
I applaud FMiC for taking a break. We could all use a break from this debacle of a team.
RE: RE: FMiC has strong critical thinking skills...
it could be that from your perspective, UConn, the board has reached a sort of intelligence tipping point in year 10, whereas years 1-9 were more of a slow burn.
From my perspective, I do miss the "Wild West" days of BBI a little, as do I the nuanced discussions about politics and economics (among other topics), but I'm also grateful to have a place to voice my concerns about the team with other people who know what's up.
Would I also like a message board that looks and functions like it should in 2021? Sure, but you can't have it all :)
I’ve posted during all of them, it’s starkly different now. Lots of good posters have left the board completely.
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
and many of them seemed to view that optimism as an inherently superior outlook. Ironically, that optimism in many cases drove them to be exceedingly negative in the way they interacted with other posters, increasing the toxicity.
Takes two to tango, so it doesn't rest solely at their feet.
He would always call out people that needed it from what I saw. His call outs may have been aggressive but my guess is most who dislike him couldn’t handle it. I guess it’s hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
I’ve posted during all of them, it’s starkly different now. Lots of good posters have left the board completely.
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
So what happened years 1-9?
People are living the site, and being replaced by low quality posters.
There was much more to hang your hat on 2012-2020 than 2021, IMO. I say this as someone who has been quite negative the past few years.
2012-2015, you had Eli. Not far removed from a Super Bowl win. 2016 was a playoff year. 2017 was bad, but you could blame coaching, etc. Particularly McAdoo. 2018 was a misread by DG according to the optimists. So we need a few years to rebuild. 2019 had Jones, who gave us reasons to be optimistic. 2020 was bad, but you had the Barkley injury. Still had a young QB. Judge looked good, so you had reason for optimism.
Many of these posters told us it was too soon to judge Gettleman/Jones/etc and that THIS was the year we could do it. They said this themselves. I think this year - without a doubt - has proven the Dave Gettleman experiment is an objective failure.
I saw the optimists points for many of those years. I agreed very much early on, particularly from 2012-2016. The failures of 2021 are a different breed than the prior ones.
I don't get why people get so upset what others say to them. It's a freaking message board. I could pass you on the street & not even know.
I’m with you on this. I’m a big fan of FMIC…sure he can be overly harsh sometimes, but don’t see why anyone needs to take it so personally. He does contribute good content too, not just dropping into threads to argue (although he does plenty of that)
I was on the business end of a FMIC thrashing a couple years back, don’t even remember what it was about, Yankees related I think. I recall laughing and thinking being shredded by the Fatman is sort of a right of passage around here, I’ve finally made it
I always got a kick out of the ongoing FMIC/Jimmy Googs battles…I do think they should probably just get a room and end it
I don’t know the exact details that preceded his absence, but if he stepped over a line I’d love to see him chime in with a mea culpa. And I’d love to see his antagonists accept said apology and move on
If he’s taking a voluntary break, that can be a healthy thing. We’re all prone to getting too worked up sometimes, even more when we wait all offseason just to see our favorite team suck yet again…
This place is a lesser place and certainly less interesting place without him here. I value intelligence here. I don’t mind being insulted. I have been called things here over the years that make FMIC critical comments look polite. Not sure why being insulted on an anonymous forum is so upsetting but I guess that I can understand. I hate forums where discussions getting kind of tough is an offense that deserves banning. Either hit back or ignore both of which tactics that I have used at times.
People are not upset by being insulted on a message board. They are upset because discussions get derailed and conversations shut down because a small handful of people can't control their emotions.
I read something about that in the last FMIC thread. I actually think that would be bad enough for the ban hammer.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
Nyyfans for over 7 years, and they don't allow the personal attacks. There's still disagreements over Cashman and Girardi/Boone, roster, etc. But it all stays baseball related.
The personal attacks, name calling, and overall tribalism is what brings discussion here down. So as knowledgeable as FMiC may be about football all the other stuff offsets it.
This place is a lesser place and certainly less interesting place without him here. I value intelligence here. I don’t mind being insulted. I have been called things here over the years that make FMIC critical comments look polite. Not sure why being insulted on an anonymous forum is so upsetting but I guess that I can understand. I hate forums where discussions getting kind of tough is an offense that deserves banning. Either hit back or ignore both of which tactics that I have used at times.
People are not upset by being insulted on a message board. They are upset because discussions get derailed and conversations shut down because a small handful of people can't control their emotions.
FMiC had become one of them.
People are upset about being insulted. That seems pretty clear to me from reading this thread. FMiC cannot shut off conversations. If people don’t like his comments, just ignore them and continue rather than getting upset and responding.
I read something about that in the last FMIC thread. I actually think that would be bad enough for the ban hammer.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
When they say he doctored a quote, did he take the quote out of context or did he actually change words in the quote? I am just curious what people mean by it.
I read something about that in the last FMIC thread. I actually think that would be bad enough for the ban hammer.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
I assume he’s on a “hiatus” similar to how his fellow Charlotte resident MIchael Jordan was “retired” from the NBA in 94-95
I don't get why people get so upset what others say to them. It's a freaking message board. I could pass you on the street & not even know.
Very true. It's a debate site and everyone has a view. But the level of vitriol that gets created just amazes me. A lot of posters afflicted TSS - Thin Skin Syndrome... ;)
I've said a few times, I enjoy Fatman. And I'm on the receiving end of many of the types of attacks cited above. There a few times where he outright lies about things directed towards me, but that's more of a reflection of character than mine.
There are plenty of good quality posters and posts
all over BBI. If some have left because of how the team has fared and they do not enjoy the current messaging or views from others, no matter how pessimistic/realistic, than so be it.
A good poster should be able to still discuss and debate the Giants no matter what issues they are facing and no matter what their won/loss record shows. And that is what the majority do from my viewpoint, some with thick skin and some not. But they still do it.
If some magical perfect storm of damaged posters really ran them off then we'll just have to get by without them. Can't imagine it will be difficult.
Is a real thing? Is someone using information on the BBI board as all factual? Is this not just opinions with stats some time used to back up one’s point.
Is a real thing? Is someone using information on the BBI board as all factual? Is this not just opinions with stats some time used to back up one’s point.
I don’t think he was banned. But, the accusation, as I understand is that he referred to an old post but altered the contents of that old post. I mean, if you can be banned for using the word “retard” don’t you think you should also be banned for posting something that’s fake?
Is a real thing? Is someone using information on the BBI board as all factual? Is this not just opinions with stats some time used to back up one’s point.
When you have to resort to manufacturing information to make a point, you lose credibility. Especially editing old posts.
So I would have never pegged my Fat friend as a poster who would resort to such bogus tactics.
But let's all keep an open mind. I'm sure my Fat friend is eager to give an explanation to clear his name. My guess is it's all just a misunderstanding... ;)
even though he often behaved as an abusive bully. He seems like an intelligent fellow, though I don't agree he exhibited special critical thinking capacity on this message board. Shouting at people, insults, and flat denials without engaging in debate is not an indication of an advanced critical thinker. He is an ardent homer, and he defends the regime. He doesn't like naysayers or critics. it was hard to have any nuanced conversation with him.
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
RE: I was kind of amused by my interactions with FMIC
even though he often behaved as an abusive bully. He seems like an intelligent fellow, though I don't agree he exhibited special critical thinking capacity on this message board. Shouting at people, insults, and flat denials without engaging in debate is not an indication of an advanced critical thinker. He is an ardent homer, and he defends the regime. He doesn't like naysayers or critics. it was hard to have any nuanced conversation with him.
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
Let's not pretend like you have all that much credibility here. You're basically a one-trick pony: a die-hard Jones hater on a plant-based diet. And you can't wait to tell the board on every possible thread about each of those opinions.
RE: RE: I was kind of amused by my interactions with FMIC
even though he often behaved as an abusive bully. He seems like an intelligent fellow, though I don't agree he exhibited special critical thinking capacity on this message board. Shouting at people, insults, and flat denials without engaging in debate is not an indication of an advanced critical thinker. He is an ardent homer, and he defends the regime. He doesn't like naysayers or critics. it was hard to have any nuanced conversation with him.
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
Let's not pretend like you have all that much credibility here. You're basically a one-trick pony: a die-hard Jones hater on a plant-based diet. And you can't wait to tell the board on every possible thread about each of those opinions.
I don't hate Jones. I just like the Giants more than any one player. And the decision surrounding who the QB should be, is the biggest *trick* an NFL team faces. If an NFL team gets that wrong, or doesn't understand the importance of the decision, they are lost. That's my contention.
And to make this personal and boil it down to a straw man, says a lot about your powers of reason.
perverse way, lol. But it's hard to just ignore his insults because they lead to confrontations that totally derail a thread and make it very difficult to keep up with. I'd love to have him back, just as I'm happy that Jimmy Googs is back, but I'd love to see the personal attacks go away.
I don't know why people are arguing for rules of engagement
for a person that has none and is one of the most disrespectful foul mouthed people I have ever encountered. He would bait me in threads I wasn't at all a part of and also join threads for the sole purpose of antagonizing me or others. As can be seen on the thread below.
In my many battles with him and when called out by posters I issued a few public apologies. In his numerous battles with MANY people I never saw him issue one.
He called me a fraud, accused me of lying numerous times. Said I "fabricated my credentials." Even when I said I was going to get some press he said I was embellishing that. I'm a lot of things but a liar isn't one of them and not once have I lied about my experience on this site at all. But that man has no problem bending the truth, sometimes severely to suit his agenda. I can share the thread in question here because honestly while I got stuck in the mud with him many times I'd never say something like this to anyone, threatening them like this. And that is where he was beyond where anyone on this site is willing to go in a truly disgraceful way.
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think I'm castrated??
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.
I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.
It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.
Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.
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Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.
Because we like what he posts and are worried about him. Nothing more than that.
Well I assure you he’s fine
It was basically this. fmic could have football conversations but were few and far between. He was far more interested in going at it with posters to rip into their opinions causing much the endless drama on threads. Very often the instigator and always the one to be mostly shouting at and cursing down others.
And interesting to see the short memories of some not able to recognize they were often right in the mix of that same drama, saying the same things over and over on numerous threads, or looking for the entertainment value of it all with their popcorn at the ready.
Specific posters were not 2 or 3. More like 30 or 40. And these are not trolls or newbies. They are intelligent posters with whom he simply held a different opinion, which in his mind made them idiots.
For me, there have always been bad Giant performances to deal with. There have always been 10-15 posters who are needy and damaged despite the correctable feedback they receive from many on the board. I dont ever remember the perfect storm of damaged or useless posters who chose football to show their flawed abilities to interact and at a time the Giants stink up the joint. A Perfect Storm. Honestly rather than re watch the same movie, I've found other ways to deploy my time.
And these thoughts are just imho:
1) I thought the majority of us long ago agreed that it was low class to post about someone who was not there? Reverse the scene. Would you think it was how men should act to other men? Or would the word Karen occur to you?
2) Given the players involved, I don't believe any version of what happened from any of them.
3) The revealing of personal names, sources, ways for our most damaged posters to cause havoc ( of which there are any examples over the last 15 years...for one...why do you think none of the female posters of a few years ago stay far away?). I thought one of the terms of membership was not crossing personal boundaries. If FMIC wanted to engage you or talk to you...he would. Why be shitty about another man's choices? It's not a valued connection by either party and it's so obvious you are not concerned nor he concerned about you if he hasn't reached out. That's an addiction to a source of stress and drama and not out of concern for a person.
The site is still here. It either works for a poster or it doesn't. Outside of a few friends still on here and reading Sy...lurking is a good option and so is getting on with life.
Imho
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Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.
Because we like what he posts and are worried about him. Nothing more than that.
Well I assure you he’s fine
That's good to know. Seriously: thank you.
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however he definitely did with specific posters. That's kinda the point i'm making.
Specific posters were not 2 or 3. More like 30 or 40. And these are not trolls or newbies. They are intelligent posters with whom he simply held a different opinion, which in his mind made them idiots.
Difference of opinion on this one. A good poster can troll, I see it ALL the time.
Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.
I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.
It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.
Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.
+1
Being someone that has been on this site since the mid 90s, i can tell you that the quality of discussion on this site usually goes with how the team goes. its always better in years that the team is playing well.
the team has completely sucked for 10 years, so the quality of discussion has gone right along with it
the dude would fly off the handle at anyone who disagreed with him, which makes the fact that he took a completely incorrect position on Giants management + Gettleman even funnier.
Now that I know which of the guys he is on the three angry Giants fans podcast, I'm stoked to listen and see if his personality on there matches his online persona.
He called Rico (definitely not a troll) "a fucking moron" once simply for sharing asshat information which turned out to be correct. Everyone gets worked up on here once and a while, but I thought it was lame that he didn't even bother to apologize afterwards.
If he wasn't a BBI early-adopter he would have been banned over a decade ago.
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Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low.
Being someone that has been on this site since the mid 90s, i can tell you that the quality of discussion on this site usually goes with how the team goes. its always better in years that the team is playing well.
the team has completely sucked for 10 years, so the quality of discussion has gone right along with it
It wasn't this bad until recently. Its at an all time low and it has nothing to do with being bad since we've been bad the whole time.
There was just a lengthy thread that went on for days on this exact same topic. It was deleted a day or two ago. By the OP, or by mods once again protecting FMiC?
You pose a very interesting question.
could it be that as the quality of play on the field degrades, the quality of conversation on BBI goes with it? If the "hey day" of BBI was about 10 years ago (arguably), then that would correspond with the absolute height of the franchise, wouldn't it?
The one thing all of us have in common is that we love the NY football Giants. And right now they are a tremendous source of anger and frustration. This is simply the most likely venue for us, as fans, to release our anger. That we release it on each other is unfortunate, but also totally expected.
I applaud FMiC for taking a break. We could all use a break from this debacle of a team.
beat me to it! apologies.
From my perspective, I do miss the "Wild West" days of BBI a little, as do I the nuanced discussions about politics and economics (among other topics), but I'm also grateful to have a place to voice my concerns about the team with other people who know what's up.
Would I also like a message board that looks and functions like it should in 2021? Sure, but you can't have it all :)
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
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I’ve posted during all of them, it’s starkly different now. Lots of good posters have left the board completely.
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
and many of them seemed to view that optimism as an inherently superior outlook. Ironically, that optimism in many cases drove them to be exceedingly negative in the way they interacted with other posters, increasing the toxicity.
Takes two to tango, so it doesn't rest solely at their feet.
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I’ve posted during all of them, it’s starkly different now. Lots of good posters have left the board completely.
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
So what happened years 1-9?
People are living the site, and being replaced by low quality posters.
Hope he is well.
I don't get why people get so upset what others say to them. It's a freaking message board. I could pass you on the street & not even know.
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In comment 15413261 UConn4523 said:
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I’ve posted during all of them, it’s starkly different now. Lots of good posters have left the board completely.
A lot of those posters were perpetual optimists who couldn't handle the negativity of the board (and negativity of reality, really).
#FreeMook
So what happened years 1-9?
People are living the site, and being replaced by low quality posters.
There was much more to hang your hat on 2012-2020 than 2021, IMO. I say this as someone who has been quite negative the past few years.
2012-2015, you had Eli. Not far removed from a Super Bowl win. 2016 was a playoff year. 2017 was bad, but you could blame coaching, etc. Particularly McAdoo. 2018 was a misread by DG according to the optimists. So we need a few years to rebuild. 2019 had Jones, who gave us reasons to be optimistic. 2020 was bad, but you had the Barkley injury. Still had a young QB. Judge looked good, so you had reason for optimism.
Many of these posters told us it was too soon to judge Gettleman/Jones/etc and that THIS was the year we could do it. They said this themselves. I think this year - without a doubt - has proven the Dave Gettleman experiment is an objective failure.
I saw the optimists points for many of those years. I agreed very much early on, particularly from 2012-2016. The failures of 2021 are a different breed than the prior ones.
I don't get why people get so upset what others say to them. It's a freaking message board. I could pass you on the street & not even know.
I’m with you on this. I’m a big fan of FMIC…sure he can be overly harsh sometimes, but don’t see why anyone needs to take it so personally. He does contribute good content too, not just dropping into threads to argue (although he does plenty of that)
I was on the business end of a FMIC thrashing a couple years back, don’t even remember what it was about, Yankees related I think. I recall laughing and thinking being shredded by the Fatman is sort of a right of passage around here, I’ve finally made it
I always got a kick out of the ongoing FMIC/Jimmy Googs battles…I do think they should probably just get a room and end it
I don’t know the exact details that preceded his absence, but if he stepped over a line I’d love to see him chime in with a mea culpa. And I’d love to see his antagonists accept said apology and move on
If he’s taking a voluntary break, that can be a healthy thing. We’re all prone to getting too worked up sometimes, even more when we wait all offseason just to see our favorite team suck yet again…
People are not upset by being insulted on a message board. They are upset because discussions get derailed and conversations shut down because a small handful of people can't control their emotions.
FMiC had become one of them.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
The personal attacks, name calling, and overall tribalism is what brings discussion here down. So as knowledgeable as FMiC may be about football all the other stuff offsets it.
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This place is a lesser place and certainly less interesting place without him here. I value intelligence here. I don’t mind being insulted. I have been called things here over the years that make FMIC critical comments look polite. Not sure why being insulted on an anonymous forum is so upsetting but I guess that I can understand. I hate forums where discussions getting kind of tough is an offense that deserves banning. Either hit back or ignore both of which tactics that I have used at times.
People are not upset by being insulted on a message board. They are upset because discussions get derailed and conversations shut down because a small handful of people can't control their emotions.
FMiC had become one of them.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
When they say he doctored a quote, did he take the quote out of context or did he actually change words in the quote? I am just curious what people mean by it.
I have no way to know if he did doctor a quote, but if he did, that’s pretty shameful stuff. Imagine being so needy that you would doctor a post? Who would even have the time for something like that? Egad!
Anyway, now that he’s on the back of the BBI milk carton maybe he show up?
I don't get why people get so upset what others say to them. It's a freaking message board. I could pass you on the street & not even know.
Very true. It's a debate site and everyone has a view. But the level of vitriol that gets created just amazes me. A lot of posters afflicted TSS - Thin Skin Syndrome... ;)
I've said a few times, I enjoy Fatman. And I'm on the receiving end of many of the types of attacks cited above. There a few times where he outright lies about things directed towards me, but that's more of a reflection of character than mine.
A good poster should be able to still discuss and debate the Giants no matter what issues they are facing and no matter what their won/loss record shows. And that is what the majority do from my viewpoint, some with thick skin and some not. But they still do it.
If some magical perfect storm of damaged posters really ran them off then we'll just have to get by without them. Can't imagine it will be difficult.
I had the same reaction when I listened.
I don't think I heard my Fat friend use the words obtuse or ponderous. Two of his favorite go-tos here at BBI. So I'm going to go back and check... ;)
I don’t think he was banned. But, the accusation, as I understand is that he referred to an old post but altered the contents of that old post. I mean, if you can be banned for using the word “retard” don’t you think you should also be banned for posting something that’s fake?
When you have to resort to manufacturing information to make a point, you lose credibility. Especially editing old posts.
So I would have never pegged my Fat friend as a poster who would resort to such bogus tactics.
But let's all keep an open mind. I'm sure my Fat friend is eager to give an explanation to clear his name. My guess is it's all just a misunderstanding... ;)
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
Let's not pretend like you have all that much credibility here. You're basically a one-trick pony: a die-hard Jones hater on a plant-based diet. And you can't wait to tell the board on every possible thread about each of those opinions.
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even though he often behaved as an abusive bully. He seems like an intelligent fellow, though I don't agree he exhibited special critical thinking capacity on this message board. Shouting at people, insults, and flat denials without engaging in debate is not an indication of an advanced critical thinker. He is an ardent homer, and he defends the regime. He doesn't like naysayers or critics. it was hard to have any nuanced conversation with him.
I remember our discussions about covid in Jan and Feb of 2020. He loudly insisted it was nothing, even as the data mounted. He insisted it would not affect us. How wrong he was about that. And then many months later he said he was right - that the worst impact was our outsized response to the pandemic, rather than the virus itself. He is stubborn and reluctant to consider countering points of view. And he can't admit he is wrong. nevertheless, he was at times an entertaining fellow to converse with on here.
Let's not pretend like you have all that much credibility here. You're basically a one-trick pony: a die-hard Jones hater on a plant-based diet. And you can't wait to tell the board on every possible thread about each of those opinions.
I don't hate Jones. I just like the Giants more than any one player. And the decision surrounding who the QB should be, is the biggest *trick* an NFL team faces. If an NFL team gets that wrong, or doesn't understand the importance of the decision, they are lost. That's my contention.
And to make this personal and boil it down to a straw man, says a lot about your powers of reason.
In my many battles with him and when called out by posters I issued a few public apologies. In his numerous battles with MANY people I never saw him issue one.
He called me a fraud, accused me of lying numerous times. Said I "fabricated my credentials." Even when I said I was going to get some press he said I was embellishing that. I'm a lot of things but a liar isn't one of them and not once have I lied about my experience on this site at all. But that man has no problem bending the truth, sometimes severely to suit his agenda. I can share the thread in question here because honestly while I got stuck in the mud with him many times I'd never say something like this to anyone, threatening them like this. And that is where he was beyond where anyone on this site is willing to go in a truly disgraceful way.
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/9/2020 12:59 pm : link
think I'm castrated??
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
George is my first name. Anyone that has seen this thread and knows me interpreted this in the same way. He claims he had no idea. Yeah right...
The thread where FatMan threatens to - ( New Window )