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allstarjim : 10/13/2021 11:49 pm
I see he hasn't been on at all lately. Does anyone have any info. Anyone know his first name?
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His First Name is  
Aloha Alan : 10/14/2021 12:03 am : link
Scott.
Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?  
steve in ky : 10/14/2021 12:11 am : link
Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.
Two truths  
V.I.G. : 10/14/2021 12:18 am : link
1) I hope he is alive and well
2) The site is better without him
I like the guy  
allstarjim : 10/14/2021 12:26 am : link
You may not. Bottom line, he's been a part of this community since at minimum 2001. If showing concern for a long-time poster here offends, then that's your problem.

I emailed him, I'll let those concerned click on the thread, and the rest of you keep scrolling (which, by the way, is always an option for you).
RE: Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?  
Mike from SI : 10/14/2021 12:27 am : link
In comment 15412949 steve in ky said:
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Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.


I can't tell if this particular thread is trolling or genuine. I really hope the latter.
RE: His First Name is  
Route 9 : 10/14/2021 1:15 am : link
In comment 15412945 Aloha Alan said:
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Scott.


I thought his name was Eddie?
The  
jtfuoco : 10/14/2021 2:40 am : link
Guy was toxic I have been here since 1998 and he had to be in the top 10 of toxic posters on the site.
He is Satan  
Big Al : 10/14/2021 7:29 am : link
and has returned to the depths of Hell after the exorcism held by some members here.
Hope he's alright  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/14/2021 7:30 am : link
but not surprising he's gone underground. Guy has been defending Giants management for as long as I have been on the site and never takes too kindly to those who disagree with him. We're seeing the product of said mismanagement not exactly surprised he's not here at this point.
RE: Hope he's alright  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 7:33 am : link
In comment 15412992 Ned In Atlanta said:
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but not surprising he's gone underground. Guy has been defending Giants management for as long as I have been on the site and never takes too kindly to those who disagree with him. We're seeing the product of said mismanagement not exactly surprised he's not here at this point.


Pretty sure he's fine. I think he can handle the Giants and management not performing well - likely realized (like many of others before him) that the trolls on this board and internet in general always win. I don't blame Eric for it either, its gotta be good for business.
RE: The  
section125 : 10/14/2021 7:36 am : link
In comment 15412968 jtfuoco said:
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Guy was toxic I have been here since 1998 and he had to be in the top 10 of toxic posters on the site.


meh, he was entertaining. He got nasty to some, yes and some of it was over the top, true. The last incident was pretty dumb. When you out troll a troll you need some quiet time.
RE: He is Satan  
Big Al : 10/14/2021 7:40 am : link
In comment 15412991 Big Al said:
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and has returned to the depths of Hell after the exorcism held by some members here.
I predict his return on Halloween when evil spirits are released.
RE: RE: His First Name is  
BMac : 10/14/2021 7:52 am : link
In comment 15412964 Route 9 said:
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In comment 15412945 Aloha Alan said:


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Scott.



I thought his name was Eddie?


Nah...Mud.
Scott is fine  
JonC : 10/14/2021 8:06 am : link
he's just doing something else with his fandom these days.
It often seemed to me  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 8:14 am : link
He had some connections inside the building that made him privy to into most of us didn t have.

Hope he comes back.
I find it interesting  
Dnew15 : 10/14/2021 8:26 am : link
that some BBI members have problems with other BBI members to the point where they literally don't care if someone is alive or dead.

That's kinda crazy...
RE: I find it interesting  
jvm52106 : 10/14/2021 8:39 am : link
In comment 15413026 Dnew15 said:
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that some BBI members have problems with other BBI members to the point where they literally don't care if someone is alive or dead.

That's kinda crazy...


+1
RE: RE: Hope he's alright  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2021 8:40 am : link
In comment 15412994 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15412992 Ned In Atlanta said:


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but not surprising he's gone underground. Guy has been defending Giants management for as long as I have been on the site and never takes too kindly to those who disagree with him. We're seeing the product of said mismanagement not exactly surprised he's not here at this point.



Pretty sure he's fine. I think he can handle the Giants and management not performing well - likely realized (like many of others before him) that the trolls on this board and internet in general always win. I don't blame Eric for it either, its gotta be good for business.


I like FMiC, but let's not pretend he is just a guy who likes talking football on here and was chased off by the proliferation of trolls. He has very strongly held positions and has no tolerance for anyone who disagrees with him. He is typically the first one to get nasty and start name calling.
RE: Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 10/14/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15412949 steve in ky said:
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Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.


Because we like what he posts and are worried about him. Nothing more than that.
Mike  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 8:58 am : link
I'm not pretending anything. He went overboard because this board lost its ability to police the right things. Eric and co care more about no politics than getting rid of really bottom barrel shitty posters who instigate at every turn. Its their prerogative but its been happening for a long time.

I've disagreed with him on plenty of things especially when it came to social issues, or even various Yankee scenarios.
RE: Mike  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15413057 UConn4523 said:
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I'm not pretending anything. He went overboard because this board lost its ability to police the right things. Eric and co care more about no politics than getting rid of really bottom barrel shitty posters who instigate at every turn. Its their prerogative but its been happening for a long time.

I've disagreed with him on plenty of things especially when it came to social issues, or even various Yankee scenarios.


He went overboard because he could not tolerate people who thought Gettleman has done a poor job. Most of them were not instigators. They were people who had a differing opinion. By and large, he simply attacked anyone who held that view. FMiC was an instigator.
joeinpa  
fkap : 10/14/2021 9:24 am : link
FMiC's connection was with the sports medicine/equipment field, and thus his connections were more generic. Don't think he was an insider along the lines of a couple others here.
the thread in question I didn't play a role in  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 9:30 am : link
by the time I saw it I had no interest in reading 150 posts of re-posts of other threads. Just didn't care.

I think the good posters you are referring to show trollish tendencies more than you think. The repetition of their posts is nauseating and I think he (and definitely me) take more issue with that than simply being disagreed with. He definitely goes overboard, not defending that. But more posters than you are letting on are issues here - its why a lot of people don't post anymore, not just FMiC.

Just look at football conversations these days - same 5-10 people saying the same things on every single thread, day through night. And we've been bad for a decade so that isn't an excuse - its simply gotten out of control here the last year or so. NFT's are much better threads, not even close actually, but even those get ruined because the trolls can't help themselves when they see certain posters posting about something they enjoy.
a few other points  
fkap : 10/14/2021 9:31 am : link
this place was never much good at policing.

FMiC targets went far beyond defending Gettleman.

There was just a lengthy thread that went on for days on this exact same topic. It was deleted a day or two ago. By the OP, or by mods once again protecting FMiC?
He’s a good dude and a good poster when he wants to be  
Metnut : 10/14/2021 9:31 am : link
but he was in a bad place here for a while. Getting into posing contests constantly isn’t good for mental health, so he probably made the right move to take a break. Hopefully if he comes back he can have a more restrained demeanor.
FMiC has strong critical thinking skills...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/14/2021 9:32 am : link
and little patience for less than that. A bit too much hubris perhaps but his cause was essentially pointing out flawed thinking and premature leaps to conclusions. He is likely bowing out of the corner forum because so many of the discussions here are boring right now.

Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.

I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.

It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.

Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.
Dan, 100%  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 9:36 am : link
agreed on the politics too, ,I understand why they are banned. Really only brought it up because people can't help themselves on more than just politics, the shitty posters have no boundaries and no subject is off limits for them to ruin.

Dull is a great word to describe it. I haven't learned anything new about football in a while and I used to all the time but many people way smarter than me, with connections and interesting POV's don't post anymore.
RE: the thread in question I didn't play a role in  
Chris684 : 10/14/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15413100 UConn4523 said:
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by the time I saw it I had no interest in reading 150 posts of re-posts of other threads. Just didn't care.

I think the good posters you are referring to show trollish tendencies more than you think. The repetition of their posts is nauseating and I think he (and definitely me) take more issue with that than simply being disagreed with. He definitely goes overboard, not defending that. But more posters than you are letting on are issues here - its why a lot of people don't post anymore, not just FMiC.

Just look at football conversations these days - same 5-10 people saying the same things on every single thread, day through night. And we've been bad for a decade so that isn't an excuse - its simply gotten out of control here the last year or so. NFT's are much better threads, not even close actually, but even those get ruined because the trolls can't help themselves when they see certain posters posting about something they enjoy.


I totally agree with UConn here.

He is right that there are people who are supposedly "good posters" who instigate every thread and try to bring nothing to the table other than "I told you so". It's as if people have been emboldened by the Giants losing because they feel the team would have been better off with their armchair plans they play out in their minds.

FMIC could give people a hard time and I didn't always agree with it, but I do/did find myself seeing his point many times especially as it related to calling out how stupid it's gotten around here.
Dan  
fkap : 10/14/2021 9:39 am : link
only half right about FMiC.

True, he did not 'suffer fools gladly' (as he once said), but he spent much (most?) of his time attacking posters, not posts. Seemed to me he liked the fight more than the cause.
He was/is a good poster  
Essex : 10/14/2021 9:39 am : link
and I would like to see him return. My only critique of him is a lot of time he can't see the forest from the trees. I don't mind his language or attitude, but he will harp on a word you use as if you were writing a Supreme Court Brief instead of on a message board in between doing stuff at work or playing with your kids at home. In other words, I feel like a lot of my arguments with him came down to adjectives that I had used instead of the substance of what I was saying.
I've had discussion with Fats for a very long time  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 9:41 am : link
And I like the guy......but his dogged determination to defend Dave Gettleman was beyond ridiculous, particularly when he had a bit of a personal connection from being a friend, or at least acquaintance, of Brandon Beane.
i've been posting for about 15 years i think  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 9:41 am : link
I used to respond to any post directed my way, whether it was agreement or disagreement. Those days are gone. There's easily 10-15 handles I don't reply to anymore under any circumstances - i've never had to do that before. And i know i'm not alone on that one.
RE: He was/is a good poster  
ron mexico : 10/14/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15413116 Essex said:
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and I would like to see him return. My only critique of him is a lot of time he can't see the forest from the trees. I don't mind his language or attitude, but he will harp on a word you use as if you were writing a Supreme Court Brief instead of on a message board in between doing stuff at work or playing with your kids at home. In other words, I feel like a lot of my arguments with him came down to adjectives that I had used instead of the substance of what I was saying.


bingo...its very tiresome
RE: i've been posting for about 15 years i think  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15413122 UConn4523 said:
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I used to respond to any post directed my way, whether it was agreement or disagreement. Those days are gone. There's easily 10-15 handles I don't reply to anymore under any circumstances - i've never had to do that before. And i know i'm not alone on that one.


Seriously? There have always been trolls whose posts I ignore without even reading, going all the way back to the pre-login days.
RE: i've been posting for about 15 years i think  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2021 9:46 am : link
In comment 15413122 UConn4523 said:
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I used to respond to any post directed my way, whether it was agreement or disagreement. Those days are gone. There's easily 10-15 handles I don't reply to anymore under any circumstances - i've never had to do that before. And i know i'm not alone on that one.


You are not alone on that at all. I do the same thing. There are some people who do not want discussion, but unity of opinion. You can only ignore those guys..

The problem is that FMiC not only engaged those people, but when they were not on a thread he would call them out to join it and then start launching attacks.

I get why he is gone. I have considered doing the same thing because intelligent discussion and respectful disagreement are largely a thing of the past on BBI. It is good for Eric's business, but much in the same way Twitter makes money. Toxicity sells.
Good to hear that FMIC has no health issues but  
Rick in Dallas : 10/14/2021 9:48 am : link
honestly I stayed out of threads where he was attacking other posters...it was way too toxic.
As far as BBI goes I come to this site daily to get information on my favorite football.I would be lost without BBI.I still enjoy the football discussions about the team and individual football players.
RE: He was/is a good poster  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15413116 Essex said:
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and I would like to see him return. My only critique of him is a lot of time he can't see the forest from the trees. I don't mind his language or attitude, but he will harp on a word you use as if you were writing a Supreme Court Brief instead of on a message board in between doing stuff at work or playing with your kids at home. In other words, I feel like a lot of my arguments with him came down to adjectives that I had used instead of the substance of what I was saying.

I have had more run-ins with FMIC than I can count, but I would be happy to see him return. He's a worthy adversary, knows his shit when it comes to football, and even if he tends to have some bias, so do I. And despite our very public debates on here, we also engaged in 1:1 email conversations that were always civil, informed, and enjoyable.

It sucks that he pulled the ripcord after the doctored quote fiasco, but that will obviously be forgotten in due time. FMIC is part of the fabric of BBI.
RE: RE: i've been posting for about 15 years i think  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15413127 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15413122 UConn4523 said:


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I used to respond to any post directed my way, whether it was agreement or disagreement. Those days are gone. There's easily 10-15 handles I don't reply to anymore under any circumstances - i've never had to do that before. And i know i'm not alone on that one.



Seriously? There have always been trolls whose posts I ignore without even reading, going all the way back to the pre-login days.


yeah, there were always a couple i'd ignore but they had short shelf lives here and usually got banned. The problem now is they aren't getting banned so the list is growing. And they post a lot more often than those in the past did.
I heard that while in BBI timeout  
Beer Man : 10/14/2021 9:52 am : link
he is working on slimming down and improving his people skills. His goal is to return to BBI as a new man with the handle of SMiC. He has also been indulging in a steady diet of the Hallmark channel as part of his anger management program and to improve his people skills.
FMiC is a pretty big asshole to everyone  
Bear vs Shark : 10/14/2021 9:57 am : link
I know he's an old member of the board, but surprised how people just gloss over his temperament and love him.

the dude would fly off the handle at anyone who disagreed with him, which makes the fact that he took a completely incorrect position on Giants management + Gettleman even funnier.

Now that I know which of the guys he is on the three angry Giants fans podcast, I'm stoked to listen and see if his personality on there matches his online persona.
he didn't fly off the handle with everyone that disagreed with him  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 10:00 am : link
however he definitely did with specific posters. That's kinda the point i'm making.
I’ve gotten to know him  
GNewGiants : 10/14/2021 10:14 am : link
In my stint here with few email exchanges.

Great guy and a lot of people are missing the arguments he has made. I don’t think he stands up for Gettleman as much points out ridiculous arguments against him and the constant negativity on the board.
RE: I’ve gotten to know him  
Essex : 10/14/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15413151 GNewGiants said:
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In my stint here with few email exchanges.

Great guy and a lot of people are missing the arguments he has made. I don’t think he stands up for Gettleman as much points out ridiculous arguments against him and the constant negativity on the board.

Again, I don't want to attack him because I like him and thought him a good poster. And, as I explained before, I would love for him to return and to hear his insight. However, what FMIC tried to do was stifle criticism of individual moves that got criticism because some Gettleman bashers would bash Gettleman. The point is that this is a message board and people are going to analyze each transaction the GM makes. Instead of focusing the discussion on the individual move, he would force it to be whether you were pro-Gettleman or not. Maybe I am not self-aware of myself, but I like to think I analyze every move individually and cannot be placed in a pro-Gettleman or anti-Gettleman camp. In other words, although I think over four years Gettleman has proven he is not the right man for the job, if Gettleman makes a trade tomorrow, I will debate the merits of the trade. I guess my point is maybe ignore the Gettleman camps and just talk about the transaction instead of every thread becoming a pro or anti DG thread.
I never saw him as a value add  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2021 10:29 am : link
...It seems all he would call posters he disagreed with "fucking idiots" but never explain why.

If he wasn't a BBI early-adopter he would have been banned over a decade ago.
RE: I never saw him as a value add  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15413157 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...It seems all he would call posters he disagreed with "fucking idiots" but never explain why.

If he wasn't a BBI early-adopter he would have been banned over a decade ago.


I disagree, new adopters roam free and are infinitely more toxic.
RE: FMiC has strong critical thinking skills...  
montanagiant : 10/14/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15413106 Dan in the Springs said:
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and little patience for less than that. A bit too much hubris perhaps but his cause was essentially pointing out flawed thinking and premature leaps to conclusions. He is likely bowing out of the corner forum because so many of the discussions here are boring right now.

Little to no X's and O's, no insider information anymore, no real discussion on other topics apart from food (thanks Bill in UT), lots of proclamations from people with little to no knowledge of the inner workings of an NFL organization, etc.

I don't blame Eric for banning politics - it's a lightning rod that isn't worth policing and not the purpose of the site, but it is what it is. Anyone that has been here for more than 10 years would have to admit the quality of discussion here has reached a serious low. When the Giants were bad before we had incredible discussions on markets, geopolitics, economic trends, terrorism and its causes, etc. Those days are over. We have a daily argument over whether Jones/Judge/Gettleman/Mara are any good or not, which by the way, is dominated by a few voices whose hubris is world-class.

It's dull. The conversation in the forum is dull.

Anyway, that's what has slowed me from participating compared to 2 years ago, and I imagine it has done the same for FMiC.

Excellent post
RE: RE: Why do people keep starting threads about the guy?  
steve in ky : 10/14/2021 10:37 am : link
In comment 15413054 Russ in Queens, NYC said:
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In comment 15412949 steve in ky said:


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Apparently he has had enough of the site and isn’t posting any longer. Just let it go.



Because we like what he posts and are worried about him. Nothing more than that.


Well I assure you he’s fine
RE: Good to hear that FMIC has no health issues but  
chick310 : 10/14/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15413130 Rick in Dallas said:
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honestly I stayed out of threads where he was attacking other posters...it was way too toxic.


It was basically this. fmic could have football conversations but were few and far between. He was far more interested in going at it with posters to rip into their opinions causing much the endless drama on threads. Very often the instigator and always the one to be mostly shouting at and cursing down others.

And interesting to see the short memories of some not able to recognize they were often right in the mix of that same drama, saying the same things over and over on numerous threads, or looking for the entertainment value of it all with their popcorn at the ready.
RE: he didn't fly off the handle with everyone that disagreed with him  
Mike from Ohio : 10/14/2021 10:49 am : link
In comment 15413144 UConn4523 said:
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however he definitely did with specific posters. That's kinda the point i'm making.


Specific posters were not 2 or 3. More like 30 or 40. And these are not trolls or newbies. They are intelligent posters with whom he simply held a different opinion, which in his mind made them idiots.
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Bill2 : 10/14/2021 10:53 am : link
Agree with much of your posts UConn and Dan. I have the same feelings and same responses.

For me, there have always been bad Giant performances to deal with. There have always been 10-15 posters who are needy and damaged despite the correctable feedback they receive from many on the board. I dont ever remember the perfect storm of damaged or useless posters who chose football to show their flawed abilities to interact and at a time the Giants stink up the joint. A Perfect Storm. Honestly rather than re watch the same movie, I've found other ways to deploy my time.

And these thoughts are just imho:

1) I thought the majority of us long ago agreed that it was low class to post about someone who was not there? Reverse the scene. Would you think it was how men should act to other men? Or would the word Karen occur to you?

2) Given the players involved, I don't believe any version of what happened from any of them.

3) The revealing of personal names, sources, ways for our most damaged posters to cause havoc ( of which there are any examples over the last 15 years...for one...why do you think none of the female posters of a few years ago stay far away?). I thought one of the terms of membership was not crossing personal boundaries. If FMIC wanted to engage you or talk to you...he would. Why be shitty about another man's choices? It's not a valued connection by either party and it's so obvious you are not concerned nor he concerned about you if he hasn't reached out. That's an addiction to a source of stress and drama and not out of concern for a person.

The site is still here. It either works for a poster or it doesn't. Outside of a few friends still on here and reading Sy...lurking is a good option and so is getting on with life.

Imho
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