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NFT: Home Opener: Dallas Stars @ NY Rangers - 7 PM on MSGN

Anakim : 10/14/2021 8:32 am
After the abortion last night, I expect a strong response with the crowd rooting the home team on.

Igor is in net tonight (no idea why he didn’t play last night, but ok)

Lundkvist should be in for Tinordi and Gauthier should be in for Hunt.


Enough fucking around. Get the 2 points
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RE: ...  
ShockNRoll : 10/14/2021 1:49 pm : link
In comment 15413410 BrettNYG10 said:
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I'm concerned about Georgiev as our back-up goalie. He's been weak.


Since that really good year in 18-19, Georgiev has been bad aside from a few games against the Islanders. If he plays the way he did last night, they cannot rely on him to play 25-30 games. However, I don't think Igor is a guy who will take on 60 or more games. All the talk about the grit, center depth, and third d pair, backup goalie might actually be the biggest weakness on this team.
RE: Not a great start for Drury's big offseason acquisitions  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15413406 PwndPapi said:
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Blais, Tinordi, Nemeth, Goodrow, Reaves - Generated 4 shots, 15 hits, 10 penalty minutes, and were collectively -4 on the night, not including PP goals given up (4).

Question, for those who watched the game: Do you feel the difference in the game was due to lack of grit/size? Or was it speed/skill?


the difference in the game was:

- Defense (the NYR 3rd pair was absolutely awful if they weren't turning the puck over they were playing atrocious d positionally, and Miller struggled)

- PK, Caps PP is good, but I though without Backstrom they'd be manageable. 3 PP goals for WAS.

- Goalie, even with the two above the rangers likely lose, but Georgiev was leaky to be polite

those three said you score 1 goal you lose 90% of your games, so the offense didn't do their job, but it was 3 - 0 before the game was halfway over

Panarin looked good, made some sick passes - probably their best player offensively. Kakko looked strong offensively, generated a bunch of shots if not scoring changes, but defensively he was over-matched by the Ovi line. Chytil looked good too.

I wouldn't have known Mika played if I didn't know he was playing if you know what I mean, talk about invisible.

RE: RE: Not a great start for Drury's big offseason acquisitions  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15413504 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't have known Mika played if I didn't know he was playing if you know what I mean, talk about invisible.


Quite frankly, that was often the case last season when Buchnevich wasn't on his wing. Yet another reason to dislike that trade.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 2:15 pm : link
Mika is going the Girardi route and beginning an accelerated decline the second he put pen to paper.
RE: RE: ...  
BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15413475 ShockNRoll said:
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In comment 15413410 BrettNYG10 said:


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I'm concerned about Georgiev as our back-up goalie. He's been weak.



Since that really good year in 18-19, Georgiev has been bad aside from a few games against the Islanders. If he plays the way he did last night, they cannot rely on him to play 25-30 games. However, I don't think Igor is a guy who will take on 60 or more games. All the talk about the grit, center depth, and third d pair, backup goalie might actually be the biggest weakness on this team.


Good point, agreed. I like him personally but he's a weak spot.
RE: ....  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15413535 BrettNYG10 said:
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Mika is going the Girardi route and beginning an accelerated decline the second he put pen to paper.


Their longterm deals almost always blow up in their faces like a trick cigar.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 2:22 pm : link
Yeah, I think they have a 3-4 year window to contend now. I don't think they'll get there this year, either. I view a lot of these off-season moves as dramatically narrowing the window on this team.

I do not like the Zibanejad deal. I really hope I'm wrong. I love the player.
I never expect to win when Georgiev is in net  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 2:22 pm : link
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RE: ....  
ShockNRoll : 10/14/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15413535 BrettNYG10 said:
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Mika is going the Girardi route and beginning an accelerated decline the second he put pen to paper.


I don't see this, it's one game, Mika is going to have a big impact on this team to the tune of 35+ goals and 75+ points. I think years 6-7-8 may see decline, but I believe this is a good contract.
Mika  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 2:28 pm : link
really needs to get off to a good start, last night obviously not withstanding.

just to get people off his back. With any LT contract, especially the latest, people will question it.

for 21-22 at $8.5M (based on current contracts) he is the 13th highest paid C in the league. A lot to live up to.
follow-up question  
PwndPapi : 10/14/2021 2:32 pm : link
If they finish worse than they did last year, does Drury get fired?
RE: follow-up question  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15413561 PwndPapi said:
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If they finish worse than they did last year, does Drury get fired?


No way. He's Sather's boy, and lil' Jimmy Dolan will go along with everything Sather does.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15413555 ShockNRoll said:
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In comment 15413535 BrettNYG10 said:


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Mika is going the Girardi route and beginning an accelerated decline the second he put pen to paper.



I don't see this, it's one game, Mika is going to have a big impact on this team to the tune of 35+ goals and 75+ points. I think years 6-7-8 may see decline, but I believe this is a good contract.


Lol, I'm kidding, sorry.

Mika's got at least 3-4 years before that contract starts hurting.
One thing I will admit to, Kravtsov may be more to blame than I though  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 2:46 pm : link
Now, this depends on whether Rick Carpinello is right, which is never something you want to rely on, but.....he says the Rangers told Kravtsov that the demotion was purely to get his physical conditioning up, because he wasn't as in shape as they wanted him to be. As soon as he did that, he'd be back on the big club. At that, Kravtsov refused the assignment.

If that's how it played out, then it's hard to fault the Rangers. Obviously, I have no idea what Kravtsov's conditioning level is right now, but if it's not where it should be then he doesn't deserve a lineup spot.
Good column from Brooks.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 3:27 pm : link
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NY Post - ( New Window )
Hard to believe  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 3:46 pm : link
anything you hear from the Rangers now on Kravtsov, they are in "shit on the player to make it seem like it's not our fault" mode. which is really counterproductive if you want to increase the trade value of the player, but sports teams are stupid and care more about public perception than trade value.

I'm sure culpability lies with both parties, but I feel like Kravtsov not becoming successful in NY is worse for NY than it is for him personally and if i am running a team I make every effort for the player to succeed.

I agree with Kravtsov to one extent, playing on the 4th line and/or playing in the AHL is not the only way for a player to earn playing time.

In Brooks article, he compares Kravtsov to Zegras (one of my favorite juniors players) but what options did Zegras have? He didn't have a KHL contract and left BU and signed his ELC - he could not go back to play for BU. He had no options. Kravtsov, like Andersson, had the EAC clause built in to their contracts for this reason.

RE: Good column from Brooks.  
Victor in CT : 10/14/2021 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15413613 BrettNYG10 said
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. NY Post - ( New Window )


yes it is. well done, asks the right questions, hopefully now being asked by Drury and co.
I read somewhere - I'm not sure if it's true  
arniefez : 10/14/2021 4:04 pm : link
that Kravtsov and the Rangers had a disagreement in their exit interview about his off season training plan. So that kind of plays into what Greg posted. Last night gave me a Giants vs Broncos game 1 feel. Thankfully the Rangers have 81 more games not just 16.

I wanted the Rangers to let Mika walk if this was going to be the price. I understand the optics of that. I understand it would have hung over the team the entire year. I understand he's a very popular player. Unfortunately so far the bigger the game the smaller he plays. It's nothing new and now they've tied up a large portion of their cap for 8 years in an older player with no playoff pedigree.

I hope this post looks really stupid in 2 years. Even if you strongly disagree, no matter what anyone says, sadly it doesn't today.
RE: Hard to believe  
BrettNYG10 : 10/14/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15413634 pjcas18 said:
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anything you hear from the Rangers now on Kravtsov, they are in "shit on the player to make it seem like it's not our fault" mode. which is really counterproductive if you want to increase the trade value of the player, but sports teams are stupid and care more about public perception than trade value.

I'm sure culpability lies with both parties, but I feel like Kravtsov not becoming successful in NY is worse for NY than it is for him personally and if i am running a team I make every effort for the player to succeed.

I agree with Kravtsov to one extent, playing on the 4th line and/or playing in the AHL is not the only way for a player to earn playing time.

In Brooks article, he compares Kravtsov to Zegras (one of my favorite juniors players) but what options did Zegras have? He didn't have a KHL contract and left BU and signed his ELC - he could not go back to play for BU. He had no options. Kravtsov, like Andersson, had the EAC clause built in to their contracts for this reason.


I agree. As others have pointed out, Drury was the GM of Hartford where he was an issue. You had a year to deal with this and get value.

Kravtsov three months ago could have been a key piece in an Eichel deal or something like that.
Kravtsov doesn't have that anymore, though  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 4:15 pm : link
That's what I was told, anyway
RE: Kravtsov doesn't have that anymore, though  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15413664 Greg from LI said:
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That's what I was told, anyway


I don't know how the EACs work - does he only get to execute the clause once?

it's in the ELC though and he's still on the EAC so not sure how it gets out of his contract unless it's a one time thing like an "eject" button or something, lol.

Unless I guess his contract with Traktor expired and he doesn't have a KHL contract (also side note Traktor is a cool name for a hockey team).

this  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 4:22 pm : link
it's in the ELC though and he's still on the EAC

should say

it's in the ELC though and he's still on the ELC
RE: I read somewhere - I'm not sure if it's true  
PwndPapi : 10/14/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15413655 arniefez said:
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that Kravtsov and the Rangers had a disagreement in their exit interview about his off season training plan. So that kind of plays into what Greg posted. Last night gave me a Giants vs Broncos game 1 feel. Thankfully the Rangers have 81 more games not just 16.

I wanted the Rangers to let Mika walk if this was going to be the price. I understand the optics of that. I understand it would have hung over the team the entire year. I understand he's a very popular player. Unfortunately so far the bigger the game the smaller he plays. It's nothing new and now they've tied up a large portion of their cap for 8 years in an older player with no playoff pedigree.

I hope this post looks really stupid in 2 years. Even if you strongly disagree, no matter what anyone says, sadly it doesn't today.


I read that as well and that sort of reinforces what transpired last season when he was cut and demoted to Hartford.

Here's my problem with that though - if they had questions about his offseason training regimen, then why was he left out of the prospect development camp? I mean, he's still technically a rookie. Presumably, it's because the front office felt he was far along in his development to play with the big club.

Then he gets hurt during the exhibition games and the Rangers left him out of a team-building event? Why?

Is his lack of conditioning more of a detriment to the team than Tinordi, Gauthier, Hunt outright sucking? This reeks of mismanagement and damage control - as pjcas alluded to.
Another late goal against  
NYerInMA : 10/14/2021 7:55 pm : link
Ugh.
New season, new coach  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 7:59 pm : link
Same old goal with less than a minute to go
Uhhhh  
redbeard : 10/14/2021 8:28 pm : link
Color me concerned

They’re the fucking same
Bad bounce on that one  
NYerInMA : 10/14/2021 8:28 pm : link
But the Rangers' offense is stuck in neutral.
Only game 2, I know  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 8:28 pm : link
But they look terrible
Ok, maybe that gets them going  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 8:35 pm : link
Generating some great chances now
RE: Only game 2, I know  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15413867 Greg from LI said:
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But they look terrible


That's the thing. They don't. They're generating scoring chances. They're just not finishing.
Fox is soooooo fucking good  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 8:50 pm : link
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Ever since the second Dallas goal  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 8:51 pm : link
They've looked like a completely different team. Playing with a lot of jump.
I’d like to point out that the comeback started  
redbeard : 10/14/2021 8:51 pm : link
Right after I took my 28 oz cowboy cut ribeye out of the cast iron

We are a lot of chicken parm back in the day boys….will you ride with me again ?
Rangers look absolutely incredible  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
The ice is completely tilted
Suck it Hufflepuff  
redbeard : 10/14/2021 8:53 pm : link
….
I'm almost certain that Morgan Barron could be a more effective  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 8:56 pm : link
bottom-sixer than Dryden Hunt
18 shots in that period  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 9:02 pm : link
Nice!
RE: I’d like to point out that the comeback started  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15413892 redbeard said:
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Right after I took my 28 oz cowboy cut ribeye out of the cast iron

We are a lot of chicken parm back in the day boys….will you ride with me again ?


I was no-shit gonna have a chicken parm sub for dinner but my dog is sick and I didn't want to leave her alone to go pick it up.
RE: RE: I’d like to point out that the comeback started  
redbeard : 10/14/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15413909 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15413892 redbeard said:


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Right after I took my 28 oz cowboy cut ribeye out of the cast iron

We are a lot of chicken parm back in the day boys….will you ride with me again ?



I was no-shit gonna have a chicken parm sub for dinner but my dog is sick and I didn't want to leave her alone to go pick it up.


I’m in SC now and can’t find some decent chicken parm to save my life…happy to do the job myself but not easy on a Thursday night
No idea  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 9:54 pm : link
how they decide OT pairings.

Heiskanen is smooth
Well that sucked  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 9:56 pm : link
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Rangers fan, here  
Saos1n : 10/14/2021 9:57 pm : link
Admittedly, I know nothing about hockey. From what I’ve seen, the past two games, they look awfully sloppy with the puck. Am I off on that? This normal?
RE: No idea  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15413961 pjcas18 said:
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how they decide OT pairings.

Heiskanen is smooth


I get it, but Strome shouldn't see PP time. Fucking put in Kakko.
RE: RE: No idea  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15413966 Anakim said:
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In comment 15413961 pjcas18 said:


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how they decide OT pairings.

Heiskanen is smooth



I get it, but Strome shouldn't see PP time. Fucking put in Kakko.


Or Chytil
RE: Rangers fan, here  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15413963 Saos1n said:
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Admittedly, I know nothing about hockey. From what I’ve seen, the past two games, they look awfully sloppy with the puck. Am I off on that? This normal?


Panarin completely shit the bed in that OT
Of all people to cough up the puck like that  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 10:09 pm : link
Well, saw a lot of good things today, but bot enough
The guy  
pjcas18 : 10/14/2021 10:25 pm : link
I questioned being out there was Trouba.

Fox sure, if a D like TDA was still on the team fine, but Trouba doesn't see the ice for me in 3v3 OT, and I like Trouba.

I'd put three forwards out there before I put Trouba out there.
RE: The guy  
Anakim : 10/14/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15413986 pjcas18 said:
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I questioned being out there was Trouba.

Fox sure, if a D like TDA was still on the team fine, but Trouba doesn't see the ice for me in 3v3 OT, and I like Trouba.

I'd put three forwards out there before I put Trouba out there.


Yeah, or a better skater like K'Andre. Hopefully, soon Lundkvist will be ready to do it.
Disappointing loss  
ShockNRoll : 10/15/2021 12:32 pm : link
in a game where they were by far the better team for most of it. Immediately after that 2nd Dallas goal, we saw the Rangers team that I think we are all expecting to see going forward. They'll start finding the back of the net more. Dallas is a very good defensive team, and the Rangers effectively forechecked and worked the boards for most of the game. Costly mistake by Panarin in OT, and basically Holtby/Khudobin were better than Shesterkin in this one. That save Holtby made on Strome was like 2017 Holtby. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dallas make another deep run after a disappointing year last year.

I'm encouraged, and hopefully they can knock off the Habs tomorrow night.
Eh, I don't know that they were better than Shesterkin  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2021 12:41 pm : link
He got an unfortunate deflection on the second goal with his momentum taking him in the opposite direction from the puck, and the OT goal was a 2 on 1 that Trouba didn't defend very well.
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