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Daniel Jones will practice on a limited basis today

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/14/2021 12:31 pm
Dan Salomone @Dan_Salomone

Joe Judge said Daniel Jones will practice today with no contact.
For his own long term health.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2021 12:33 pm : link
I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.
i find this friggin nuts  
GiantNatty : 10/14/2021 12:35 pm : link
he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.
RE: For his own long term health.  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15413302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.


Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready
RE: i find this friggin nuts  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15413307 GiantNatty said:
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.


If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared
The BBI  
noro9 : 10/14/2021 12:37 pm : link
Medical team disagrees
I’d play him only if Thomas is the left tackle  
Tuckrule : 10/14/2021 12:37 pm : link
Not letting jones play behind solder at left tackle
RE: I’d play him only if Thomas is the left tackle  
Jay on the Island : 10/14/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15413315 Tuckrule said:
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Not letting jones play behind solder at left tackle

This, I wouldn’t play Jones unless Solder is on the bench with Thomas and Peart at tackle.
RE: RE: i find this friggin nuts  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 12:44 pm : link
In comment 15413313 nygiants16 said:
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.



If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared


I kind of agree with you. But the probability of being concussed a second time increases after the first one.

And it s just common sense that the more time that passes from an injury the more time for healing.

I don’t really know what is involved with passing concussion protocol, but it still seems likely the more time between getting hit again the better.

the whole point of concussion protocol  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 12:45 pm : link
is to make sure they are fit to play and if they are, waiting another week doesn't decrease the risk of anything. So if you want them to wait another week after being cleared why not 4, or 6?

If he's cleared he should play.
As a fan I want to see him  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 12:46 pm : link
Play, but honestly if he were my son, I d be worried about it, more so than the normal worry a parent would have for a son playing football
If the medical people clear him  
UberAlias : 10/14/2021 12:47 pm : link
why wouldn't he play? There is a very specific process and it's in place for a reason and includes evaluation from outside medical opinion. If he's cleared to play its because the medical judgement is that its safe.
RE: RE: RE: i find this friggin nuts  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 12:50 pm : link
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.



If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared



I kind of agree with you. But the probability of being concussed a second time increases after the first one.

And it s just common sense that the more time that passes from an injury the more time for healing.

I don’t really know what is involved with passing concussion protocol, but it still seems likely the more time between getting hit again the better.


that is not really true, once you are cleared by the independent neurologist, there is no rest another week and you will br even better..

If there is an even hint of symptina he wont be cleared..

Woohoo  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/14/2021 12:51 pm : link
hope he's cleared (meaning he's legit ok) and that he plays!
I'd be more worried about  
section125 : 10/14/2021 12:53 pm : link
the guards over Aaron Donald than the players over Solder...

Some still do not get it. If in fact he was reading on the flight to NJ Sunday night, chances are his concussion was mild.

Today's practice is part of the protocol of being to participate in football activities. If he has headaches or other symptoms after today's physical activity, he will not pass the protocol
RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15413312 nygiants16 said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready


I'm sorry, did you just say that additional rest doesn't do anything to improve a brain injury? What are you basing that on?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2021 12:58 pm : link
Yeah. I guess if he's cleared...he'll play. I just worry about these guys with concussions. I had one playing high school soccer. They are scary AF.

That is why, on a human level, I wish Shep-who has multiple concussions-retired.
RE: For his own long term health.  
bluewave : 10/14/2021 1:01 pm : link
In comment 15413302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.


Played against Napolean McCallum in college scrimmage against Navy. Helmet to helmet on a goal line run. Concussion..... Walked over the side line and puked. Played the next week without issues. Keep in mind this was 1991. Protocols and awareness aren't what they are today.
RE: RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15413348 sb from NYT Forum said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready



I'm sorry, did you just say that additional rest doesn't do anything to improve a brain injury? What are you basing that on?


Being cleared means he's healed, is his point. You are always more susceptible to getting a second after you have one but I don't think the risk is any greater the more time that passes.
and different  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 1:02 pm : link
that should say
RE: RE: RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/14/2021 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15413359 UConn4523 said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready



I'm sorry, did you just say that additional rest doesn't do anything to improve a brain injury? What are you basing that on?



Being cleared means he's healed, is his point. You are always more susceptible to getting a second after you have one but I don't think the risk is any greater the more time that passes.


Personally I think the NFL's protocol is a sham (based on a number of examples). I don't think that passing the NFL's protocols and being fully healthy are the same thing. Just my opinion.
RE: RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 1:05 pm : link
In comment 15413348 sb from NYT Forum said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready



I'm sorry, did you just say that additional rest doesn't do anything to improve a brain injury? What are you basing that on?


The more time passes doesnt make you any less suceptible..

When he is cleared it means he has no symptoms..

I don't disagree  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 1:09 pm : link
if I were related to him or friends with him i'd think differently for sure. As for the protocol itself I don't know how the neurologists do their testing but I suspect its fairly straight forward with certain benchmarks needing to be met. The last portion of step 4 is really what it all hinges on and where a player can lie (like not reporting headaches). At that point its on him though.

Step 4: Football specific activities
At this point, if the player has not seen an increase in concussion symptoms, they may practice at a non-contact level. That means throwing, catching, running, or any other positional drills that do not involve contact with players or objects (e.g. dummies, sleds).

If the player does not exhibit any post-practice symptoms, they can advance to the final step.
RE: For his own long term health.  
M.S. : 10/14/2021 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15413302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.

Exactly.
RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
M.S. : 10/14/2021 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15413312 nygiants16 said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready

True -- but there's such a thing as erring on the side of caution, especially when the team is in last place and going nowhere fast.
I still want to see Jones  
mittenedman : 10/14/2021 1:15 pm : link
with a full compliment of weapons. It's quickly becoming the only interesting thing left to the season.

I want to see Jones with Golladay, Toney, Shepard, Slayton, Barkley & Rudolph with Thomas & Co. on the OL.

It's still never happened.
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bluewave : 10/14/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15413357 bluewave said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Played against Napolean McCallum in college scrimmage against Navy. Helmet to helmet on a goal line run. Concussion..... Walked over the side line and puked. Played the next week without issues. Keep in mind this was 1991. Protocols and awareness aren't what they are today.


Don't know why I said McCallum. He was on sideline visiting Naval Academy that day :). Everyone was sweating him because he played on the raiders...
RE: For his own long term health.  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/14/2021 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15413302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.


100% agreed.
But I wanted to see Mike Glennon…  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/14/2021 1:18 pm : link
Darn it!
Don't QB's always practice with no contact?  
Section331 : 10/14/2021 1:24 pm : link
Assuming they mean no contact drills for everyone involved. This is great news, hope for a quick recovery, whether it's this weekend or not.
Medically cleared  
Thegratefulhead : 10/14/2021 1:26 pm : link
By MDs he should start
RE: Don't QB's always practice with no contact?  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15413412 Section331 said:
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Assuming they mean no contact drills for everyone involved. This is great news, hope for a quick recovery, whether it's this weekend or not.


Yeah he basically practiced fully but it has to be limited because it is techincally still 3th step
Some insight  
Scooter185 : 10/14/2021 1:51 pm : link
From Duggan in his article on the Athletic

"The key piece of the concussion protocol is the baseline test, which is conducted before the season when players are healthy. Simonson said the computerized test takes about 20 minutes to complete. The test consists of various cognitive exercises designed to check short-term memory and reaction time, such as presenting 15 words and then showing individual words and asking if they were in the initial group.

“It’s not some easy test where you can just ease your way through it. It kind of gets tough at some points,” Simonson said. “It will test how quickly your eyes see something and your brain can respond because during a concussion that’s delayed or pretty disoriented.”

Every player establishes an individual baseline score. The same test is conducted multiple times as a player works through the stages of the concussion protocol to ensure that he has returned to his pre-concussion baseline level.

The final step of the process is clearance from an independent neurological consultant. For Giants players, that typically means a trip to a neurologist in Manhattan. The Giants’ medical staff won’t send Jones for that visit unless there’s a high level of certainty that he’ll be cleared.

“You go in with (the neurologist) and he asks you some more questions on your symptoms. They may even do some tests,” Simonson said. “Then he’s the one who can give the ultimate green light. But you don’t do that until you get the green light from the team.”"
Can you imagine the internal conversations.  
Everyone Relax : 10/14/2021 2:05 pm : link
"Team we are only playing Jones if Thomas is healthy enough to start."
"Ok Thomas is inactive and Solder is starting at LT. Glennon, go out there and have some fun."
Ralph Vacchiano  
Ira : 10/14/2021 2:07 pm : link
@RVacchianoSNY
Joe Judge sounded like he believes QB Daniel Jones is on track to start on Sunday for the Giants: “At this point everything is positive.”

He will practice today, and still must be cleared by doctors after that, but it’s looking good.
RE: Ralph Vacchiano  
chick310 : 10/14/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15413515 Ira said:
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@RVacchianoSNY
Joe Judge sounded like he believes QB Daniel Jones is on track to start on Sunday for the Giants: “At this point everything is positive.”

He will practice today, and still must be cleared by doctors after that, but it’s looking good.


Wow, would never have thought that. No facts to confuse me but assumed most, if not all, concussed QBs are shelved for at least a week.
RE: The BBI  
ZogZerg : 10/14/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15413314 noro9 said:
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Medical team disagrees


LOL. Yes, the sames ones that said Barkley shouldn't play week 1 since they had a game the following Thursday....
What did Dr. Slefrak say?  
Greg from LI : 10/14/2021 2:13 pm : link
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RE: RE: Ralph Vacchiano  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15413522 chick310 said:
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@RVacchianoSNY
Joe Judge sounded like he believes QB Daniel Jones is on track to start on Sunday for the Giants: “At this point everything is positive.”

He will practice today, and still must be cleared by doctors after that, but it’s looking good.



Wow, would never have thought that. No facts to confuse me but assumed most, if not all, concussed QBs are shelved for at least a week.


Bridgewater didnt miss a week with his concussion
RE: RE: RE: Ralph Vacchiano  
chick310 : 10/14/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15413529 nygiants16 said:
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@RVacchianoSNY
Joe Judge sounded like he believes QB Daniel Jones is on track to start on Sunday for the Giants: “At this point everything is positive.”

He will practice today, and still must be cleared by doctors after that, but it’s looking good.



Wow, would never have thought that. No facts to confuse me but assumed most, if not all, concussed QBs are shelved for at least a week.



Bridgewater didnt miss a week with his concussion


Yeah, I don't really keep track at all. Just more of supposition than anything.
"Who the hell knows with Giants QBs...I ain't touching this one"  
j_rud : 10/14/2021 2:19 pm : link
-Chris Mortensen
RE: RE: RE: RE: i find this friggin nuts  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15413335 nygiants16 said:
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.



If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared



I kind of agree with you. But the probability of being concussed a second time increases after the first one.

And it s just common sense that the more time that passes from an injury the more time for healing.

I don’t really know what is involved with passing concussion protocol, but it still seems likely the more time between getting hit again the better.




that is not really true, once you are cleared by the independent neurologist, there is no rest another week and you will br even better..

If there is an even hint of symptina he wont be cleared..


Thanks
RE: Some insight  
UConn4523 : 10/14/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15413480 Scooter185 said:
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From Duggan in his article on the Athletic

"The key piece of the concussion protocol is the baseline test, which is conducted before the season when players are healthy. Simonson said the computerized test takes about 20 minutes to complete. The test consists of various cognitive exercises designed to check short-term memory and reaction time, such as presenting 15 words and then showing individual words and asking if they were in the initial group.

“It’s not some easy test where you can just ease your way through it. It kind of gets tough at some points,” Simonson said. “It will test how quickly your eyes see something and your brain can respond because during a concussion that’s delayed or pretty disoriented.”

Every player establishes an individual baseline score. The same test is conducted multiple times as a player works through the stages of the concussion protocol to ensure that he has returned to his pre-concussion baseline level.

The final step of the process is clearance from an independent neurological consultant. For Giants players, that typically means a trip to a neurologist in Manhattan. The Giants’ medical staff won’t send Jones for that visit unless there’s a high level of certainty that he’ll be cleared.

“You go in with (the neurologist) and he asks you some more questions on your symptoms. They may even do some tests,” Simonson said. “Then he’s the one who can give the ultimate green light. But you don’t do that until you get the green light from the team.”"


that's really interesting. I wasn't aware of the pre-season baseline, makes a lot of sense.
RE: RE: RE: For his own long term health.  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15413382 M.S. said:
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I hope he doesn't play vs. LAR.



Why? if he is cleared, he is cleared, waiting a week doesnt do anything to improve, once he is cleared he is ready


True -- but there's such a thing as erring on the side of caution, especially when the team is in last place and going nowhere fast.


“Going nowhere fast” is what fans do, pretty certain after 5 games this is not the mentality in the Giants locker room

You don’t give up on seasons, you work to get better. That s how you build going ahead.
RE: Some insight  
joeinpa : 10/14/2021 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15413480 Scooter185 said:
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From Duggan in his article on the Athletic

"The key piece of the concussion protocol is the baseline test, which is conducted before the season when players are healthy. Simonson said the computerized test takes about 20 minutes to complete. The test consists of various cognitive exercises designed to check short-term memory and reaction time, such as presenting 15 words and then showing individual words and asking if they were in the initial group.

“It’s not some easy test where you can just ease your way through it. It kind of gets tough at some points,” Simonson said. “It will test how quickly your eyes see something and your brain can respond because during a concussion that’s delayed or pretty disoriented.”

Every player establishes an individual baseline score. The same test is conducted multiple times as a player works through the stages of the concussion protocol to ensure that he has returned to his pre-concussion baseline level.

The final step of the process is clearance from an independent neurological consultant. For Giants players, that typically means a trip to a neurologist in Manhattan. The Giants’ medical staff won’t send Jones for that visit unless there’s a high level of certainty that he’ll be cleared.

“You go in with (the neurologist) and he asks you some more questions on your symptoms. They may even do some tests,” Simonson said. “Then he’s the one who can give the ultimate green light. But you don’t do that until you get the green light from the team.”"


These are the type of posts that make Bbi a very informative place,

Thanks Scooter
If he is cleared  
Giants73 : 10/14/2021 3:11 pm : link
He is cleared. Let him play. Rams D is down this year, since their coach went to LAC. Is it on the GM that the rams d is down this year?
I hope  
The Jake : 10/14/2021 3:15 pm : link
a) he gets better protection
b) the coaches don't expose him with ridiculous naked bootlegs at the goal line
c) he learns to slide when appropriate

If he didnt get immediately  
fanoftheteam : 10/14/2021 6:29 pm : link
Back up after the hit. He may not of stumbled and probably would of finished the game.

We dont know what happened in the locker room after he left. All im trying to say is the optics were awful and they obviously couldnt put him back out there. A concussion is somewhat subjective.
Stage 4  
Spider43 : 10/14/2021 7:11 pm : link
Of the Concussion Protocol...

New Window

Is Stage 5 the final clearance?
RE: RE: RE: RE: i find this friggin nuts  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2021 7:19 pm : link
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.



If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared



I kind of agree with you. But the probability of being concussed a second time increases after the first one.

And it s just common sense that the more time that passes from an injury the more time for healing.

I don’t really know what is involved with passing concussion protocol, but it still seems likely the more time between getting hit again the better.




that is not really true, once you are cleared by the independent neurologist, there is no rest another week and you will br even better..

If there is an even hint of symptina he wont be cleared..

No, it really is true.

Link - ( New Window )
But hopefully  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/14/2021 7:24 pm : link
he won't have any symptina.
RE: The BBI  
charlito : 10/15/2021 1:23 am : link
In comment 15413314 noro9 said:
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Medical team disagrees


😁
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: i find this friggin nuts  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15413798 Gatorade Dunk said:
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he is one tough sumnabish. that said, i really hope he takes a couple weeks to knock out the cobwebs that have to be in there.



If he still has cobwebs he wont be cleared



I kind of agree with you. But the probability of being concussed a second time increases after the first one.

And it s just common sense that the more time that passes from an injury the more time for healing.

I don’t really know what is involved with passing concussion protocol, but it still seems likely the more time between getting hit again the better.




that is not really true, once you are cleared by the independent neurologist, there is no rest another week and you will br even better..

If there is an even hint of symptina he wont be cleared..



No, it really is true. Link - ( New Window )


Did you even read the article you posted?

We werent talking about having more concussions after having 1, we were talking about needing more time because it will make it better, which the article clearly stated that after a week 90% of the athletes were fully recovered.

10% needed more than a week to recover..

Again if he has any more symptoms he wont be cleared to play, but once he is cleared with no symptoms, waiting another week doesnt make him even more better..

No one argued that having 1 concussion could lead to more..
RE: But hopefully  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2021 7:55 am : link
In comment 15413804 Gatorade Dunk said:
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he won't have any symptina.


Yes i had a spelling error, thank you for pointing that out for me
RE: Some insight  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2021 8:20 am : link
In comment 15413480 Scooter185 said:
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From Duggan in his article on the Athletic

"The key piece of the concussion protocol is the baseline test, which is conducted before the season when players are healthy. Simonson said the computerized test takes about 20 minutes to complete. The test consists of various cognitive exercises designed to check short-term memory and reaction time, such as presenting 15 words and then showing individual words and asking if they were in the initial group.

“It’s not some easy test where you can just ease your way through it. It kind of gets tough at some points,” Simonson said. “It will test how quickly your eyes see something and your brain can respond because during a concussion that’s delayed or pretty disoriented.”

Every player establishes an individual baseline score. The same test is conducted multiple times as a player works through the stages of the concussion protocol to ensure that he has returned to his pre-concussion baseline level.

The final step of the process is clearance from an independent neurological consultant. For Giants players, that typically means a trip to a neurologist in Manhattan. The Giants’ medical staff won’t send Jones for that visit unless there’s a high level of certainty that he’ll be cleared.

“You go in with (the neurologist) and he asks you some more questions on your symptoms. They may even do some tests,” Simonson said. “Then he’s the one who can give the ultimate green light. But you don’t do that until you get the green light from the team.”"


Good job Scooter. Very interesting as I wasn't aware of the baseline testing process they implemented with all this.

Good read, and thanks for posting...
This is just my opinion based on other things NFL  
arniefez : 10/15/2021 9:08 am : link
I think the protocol is on the same grade curve as any other star player vs regular player. On the Giants Jones is a star player and the NFL/Owners will want him to play if at all possible.
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