but considering the terrible base running, consistent laziness running out of the batters box, and overall dumb baseball they played this year, I too favor a total housecleaning
He still thinks Gary Sanchez is a good idea at catcher. That's why smart teams don't give a GM a lifetime contract. It's human nature to want to be right. When you combine that human nature with a political animal who has an ego the size of the Grand Canyon and fantasies of being a 6'7" RH pitcher or power hitter you get the 2021 Yankees.
who are the Yanks gonna bring in? A Boone clone. Sorry, but Buck Showalter or Eric Wedge is not walking through that door. Hal and Cashman want a puppet, and if not, Boone, someone just like him. SO may as well stick with a guy who has been here done that. But Thames and Nevin definitely had to go. How many baserunners were thrown out on the bases, especially from 2nd or 3rd to home? And the Yankee hitters struck out way too much and hit into way too many DPs. Something has to change
Oh my God cam we stop pretending Buck Showalter is some ace manager?
He's been a manager for like 20 seasons and won a single playoff series. Not only that, his decisions cost the Yankees dearly in the 1995 ALDS and the Orioles in the 2015 ALCS.
I think Cashman wants a fall guy next year when he brings back pretty much the same gang because there is little flexibility short of Hal opening his checkbook. He can blame Boone next year and keep his job if the team falters again next year.
If he gives someone a 3 to 5-year contract, he’s the goner if they don’t win. Next year will be much harder.
but considering the terrible base running, consistent laziness running out of the batters box, and overall dumb baseball they played this year, I too favor a total housecleaning
The same Thames was the coach in '17 thru '19 when these same hitters were mashing. Yes a lot of big Yankee hitters regressed but so did a lot of other big hitters in baseball. Judge and Stanton did fine. Torres did OK once they stopped playing him out of position. Who knows what the story was with DJLM. Some of the lesser hitters improved. Nobody seems to have noticed, but Tyler Wade finally figured it out. He something like .270. Along with his other skills he could be a dangerous player if he hits like that and is used properly. Greg Allen, Velasquez and those other guys also showed improvement for the short time they were up here.
As for the failures on this team, its not Thames fault they can't run the bases.
Its not Thames fault that Sanchez, Oder, Bruce and Gallo are on this team.
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Ron, It seems to me they have been so streaky for years, I have to feel Marcus is part of the problem. Think back. This team has gone through periods every year of virtually the entire team stopping hitting. He may be a good coach. But it seems to be falling on deaf ears..
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Ron, It seems to me they have been so streaky for years, I have to feel Marcus is part of the problem. Think back. This team has gone through periods every year of virtually the entire team stopping hitting. He may be a good coach. But it seems to be falling on deaf ears..
Yeah, he's a cheater. So's Alex Cora - think the Sawx care? If Beltran is as smart a baseball guy as he's reputed to be, I don't care what he's done.
If Beltran was a smart baseball guy he wouldn't have gotten caught. We don't know if he's any good at anything other than cheating ( in the long run he wasn't good at that either ). Do the Yankees need the distraction ? Leave the guys with the checkered past to the Mets.
What would I do ? I'd try and poach some of Tampa Bay's assistants. I don't know their names, but obviously they've done a lot with very little.
because, you know---they're still playing! (I agree this is a bit of a mean comment. I already regret it...). Btw, remember that Cora cheated, but not with the Sox! He's clean as a whistle here!
lipstick on a pig. As long as Cashman has a lifetime job it will
But I think he'll manage the Mets. I don't think managers have much affect on W/L's anymore if they ever did and hitting coaches even less but someone has to pay for the Red Sox and Rays owning Cashman.
But I think he'll manage the Mets. I don't think managers have much affect on W/L's anymore if they ever did and hitting coaches even less but someone has to pay for the Red Sox and Rays owning Cashman.
If managers do not have any affect on W/Ls why pay some guy $5 mill to chew gum and spit on the step...likewise for hitting coaches. Why not just tell the players to figure it out and decide on who is playing(or coming from the pen.)?
I think MLB managers are babysitters and low level executives in charge of implementing the GM's organizational plan.
I do think that a manger with a strong personality who is aggressive can set a tone for a team. We can debate how much that's worth. I think the average MLB manager salary is under 2 million at this point and some of them are under 1 million. I'm pretty sure Maddon is the highest paid and he took a pay cut from 6 million with the Cubs to go to the Angels. How many wins has he been worth?
As far as hitting coaches go. I'm sure looking at video with players can help. But are the Yankees going to hire a hitting coach who has a philosophy that is different than the "impact" the baseball, swing for a HR on every pitch no matter what the situation and sticking out isn't a big deal than the Cashman doctrine I just spelled out? I'll guess no.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Beltran would be just another ex-player with no managerial or
I think MLB managers are babysitters and low level executives in charge of implementing the GM's organizational plan.
I do think that a manger with a strong personality who is aggressive can set a tone for a team. We can debate how much that's worth. I think the average MLB manager salary is under 2 million at this point and some of them are under 1 million. I'm pretty sure Maddon is the highest paid and he took a pay cut from 6 million with the Cubs to go to the Angels. How many wins has he been worth?
As far as hitting coaches go. I'm sure looking at video with players can help. But are the Yankees going to hire a hitting coach who has a philosophy that is different than the "impact" the baseball, swing for a HR on every pitch no matter what the situation and sticking out isn't a big deal than the Cashman doctrine I just spelled out? I'll guess no.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I will and do disagree.
I think Boone got $3 mill his 1st year, but yeah, IDK what they make.
I can see what you say about a hitting coach. Whatever Cashman wants him to do, he does. So there is not much likelihood of change. But Blake did help the pitching staff.
But yeas, without Cashman gone, they will have the same old crap.
Personally, I'm agnostic regarding Boone. I don't think field managers make that much of a difference. I suspect there are more than 2% of fans that are likeminded with me.
Boone is a smart and open-minded baseball person with significant personal experience in the game, but some members of the organization feel that he’d be a more successful manager if he were given and acted with more authority in his position. All parties involved assert that Boone is given final say over matters involving things like the lineup and game management, though the front office — like in most other MLB organizations now — provides significant input.
A few questions. Who are some members of the organization? I have two guesses. Who do you think it is? All parties say Boone has final say in the lineup and game management "with significant input" from the GM and his laptops. How can they provide significant input into game management unless they're texting him which I believe is illegal in MLB or just 2nd guessing him (that must be fun) and IMO there is no way in hell Boone is final call on the lineup. That wild card lineup was straight off a spreadsheet and everyone knew it was mistake before the game started. Gallo cleanup? Come on. That was Boone's call? IMO if it was he'd be gone by now like Nevin is.
But you can’t see regression and stagnation from much of the youth in your lineup without repercussions. It was time for a change.
I’ll believe Boone is back when his name is on a contract. They just fired one of his best friends and seem to have made it clear he’ll have limited input on their replacements. I’m not sold they want him back.
He is just the type of mgr they want...one who does what he is told. I would luv to see Buck Showalter or even David Cone.
Again - what is with the love affair for Buck "One playoff series won in 20 seasons" Showalter?????
For some reason, and it’s not just Yankee fans, ridiculous as it sounds, people seem to think that Showalter hasn’t been given a fair chance b/c he’s been fired by teams that were on the cusp and won. Track record be dammned. He’s like the new Lou Piniella. Just less ornery. And less of a manager.
Personally, I'm agnostic regarding Boone. I don't think field managers make that much of a difference. I suspect there are more than 2% of fans that are likeminded with me.
With both of you guys. I have said on numerous occasions, look how Gabe Kapler was booted out of philly and goes to S.F. And lead MLB with the bed record this season.
Boone was cheap, the Yanks paid him 4M over 3 years.
That may or may not be why Hal agreed to Cashman's choice of Boone as the manager.
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
RE: Boone was cheap, the Yanks paid him 4M over 3 years.
That may or may not be why Hal agreed to Cashman's choice of Boone as the manager.
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
Oh give me a fucking break with this bullshit. Red Sox Nation waffled all season on Cora. Especially when things were rough. Go
Look at SOSH when they were floundering. Remind you of anything? ‘What Cora did for the Sox’ is a meaningless platitude and utter bullshit.
RE: RE: Boone was cheap, the Yanks paid him 4M over 3 years.
That may or may not be why Hal agreed to Cashman's choice of Boone as the manager.
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
Oh give me a fucking break with this bullshit. Red Sox Nation waffled all season on Cora. Especially when things were rough. Go
Look at SOSH when they were floundering. Remind you of anything? ‘What Cora did for the Sox’ is a meaningless platitude and utter bullshit.
Boone is awful. His use of the BP is mediocre on a good day. The only time he was really good was when half the team had Covid or injured. He really did a nice job those 6 weeks in July and August.
1. I believe the Athletic article that Arniefez quoted. Why ? Because Cashman has said again and again with both Girardi and Boone that the manager does the lineup. Girardi and Boone have said again and again that the lineups are their responsibility, Boone has even gone as far as to say he decides who gets called up or sent down. Are they all lying ?
When Cashman has disagreed with his managers, its been well publicized. Examples are the disagreement about Refsnyder , Girardi playing Sanchez at 1st base and Boone's in game management in '18 and '19.
Certainly Cashman can make suggestions and certainly Boone may be more receptive to suggestions than Girardi or Torre, but he's still his own man and he still makes the final call.
Think about it. If Boone went against Cashman on any given day what could Cashman do about it ? Fire him on the spot and eat his contract ?
2. Despite the speculation by ESPN, I stand my my belief that Boone is a goner. If they were going to extend him they would have done so or at least told him privatly that they would do so.
From Boone's own comments they clearly have not done so. His comment that "The rest of the league has caught up to us" is a parting shot to management and a departure from Cashman's mantra that "We just missed".
During the season when things were going badly, Cashman was once pressed about his support of Boone. Of course the official line is always going to be "We stand my our manager", but on one occasion Cashman said "I've never fired a manager mid-season" Thats hardly a vote of confidence.
Lastly there were the comments from Sweeny Murti, John and Suzy all season. Paraphrased they went something like "Boone isn't in any trouble right now, but ........."
I love the “everything is fine” crowd, we are sitting at home rooting
for one hated rival to beat an even more hated rival. We can’t take care of business so maybe the NL pennant can do the job for us? And nobody is at fault? Everyone is doing a great job?
From losing in the ALCS, to ALDS, to WC card, but we can bring everyone back and things will be different next year? Is Franco and Vlad Jr. gonna regress at age 21 and 22?
Or should we just start rooting for .500-plus season now?
That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
And, Boone was expected to walk away with the Division and yets had to claw and scrape just to get into the WC playoff game. Sawx were not even expected to be there.
Recently, I was discussing the issues besetting the Yankees with a top baseball-operations official from another team. The executive let me prattle a bit then essentially did the sport’s version of talking an insane person off a ledge:
“You are overcomplicating this. They have to fix catcher and shortstop,” the official said. “They have a lot of good players. They have just wasted time with [Gary] Sanchez and trying to make Gleyber [Torres] work at short. If they fix those two spots, they are going to keep being really good.”
I think it is a little deeper than that, including not trusting Aaron Hicks to be a starting center fielder defensively or to stay healthy, plus some overall questions about how bonded the clubhouse was in 2021. But, in general, I do agree that if the Yankees repair catcher and shortstop, that would do much to keep them a 90-plus win contender.
I've been saying most of this since opening day 2021. Not the clubhouse part but the SS, C, CF part. Now that I'm done patting myself on the back and saying I told you so how can this keep happening?
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Thanks arnie - the numbers 3 and 4 were in my head. Figures - cheap price for a less than quality manager.
remember when Joe Torre quit because the Yankees wanted to cut his salary from 7 million to 5 million? That was post George when Cashman was following other GMs and taking control of micro managing the game on the field.
Now managers make a million a year when they start out. What does that tell you about how the game is run today? I still maintain managers over 162 games are almost meaningless.
The team on the field, the lineup, player acquisition is all set by the GM. Even managing a bullpen is out of their hands. They are under orders about pitch counts for starters, how many times through the lineup, usage rates for relievers with no more than two days in a row maximum.
There are rumors that what got Nevin fired was not the amount of outs at home plate but that he was in Boone's ear to manage more by "his gut" and Nevin's quotes when he was let go back that up.
I wonder what the holdup with Boone's new contract being announced is. Maybe they're waiting for some kind of heavy news day so no one notices. That's a joke.
@lindseyadler
News: Yankees have also informed third base coach Phil Nevin that his contract will not be renewed for the 2022 season.
Lindsey Adler
@lindseyadler
News: Yankees have informed hitting coach Marcus Thames that his contract will not be renewed for the 2022 season.
This is really the “No Consequences Gang”.
This is really the “No Consequences Gang”.
Yea unfortunately. Hiring Boone was a huge gamble by Cashman and I don't think he's ready to admit his failure yet.
He still thinks Gary Sanchez is a good idea at catcher. That's why smart teams don't give a GM a lifetime contract. It's human nature to want to be right. When you combine that human nature with a political animal who has an ego the size of the Grand Canyon and fantasies of being a 6'7" RH pitcher or power hitter you get the 2021 Yankees.
Meh, I'm not sure Thames was helping. They have been just to streaky for years.
Just stop.
If he gives someone a 3 to 5-year contract, he’s the goner if they don’t win. Next year will be much harder.
Agreed. Boone still in the dugout isn't helping.
As for the failures on this team, its not Thames fault they can't run the bases.
Its not Thames fault that Sanchez, Oder, Bruce and Gallo are on this team.
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Ron, It seems to me they have been so streaky for years, I have to feel Marcus is part of the problem. Think back. This team has gone through periods every year of virtually the entire team stopping hitting. He may be a good coach. But it seems to be falling on deaf ears..
Its not Thames fault that Cashman/Boone made the decision that a division title was their birthright and treated 2/3 of the season like extended spring training.
I fear that they throwing away a very good hitting coach and that his replacement is going to be some drone thats more concerned with launch angle and mechanics than he is with situational hitting, driving in runs and moving runners over.
Ron, It seems to me they have been so streaky for years, I have to feel Marcus is part of the problem. Think back. This team has gone through periods every year of virtually the entire team stopping hitting. He may be a good coach. But it seems to be falling on deaf ears..
What would I do ? I'd try and poach some of Tampa Bay's assistants. I don't know their names, but obviously they've done a lot with very little.
If managers do not have any affect on W/Ls why pay some guy $5 mill to chew gum and spit on the step...likewise for hitting coaches. Why not just tell the players to figure it out and decide on who is playing(or coming from the pen.)?
I do think that a manger with a strong personality who is aggressive can set a tone for a team. We can debate how much that's worth. I think the average MLB manager salary is under 2 million at this point and some of them are under 1 million. I'm pretty sure Maddon is the highest paid and he took a pay cut from 6 million with the Cubs to go to the Angels. How many wins has he been worth?
As far as hitting coaches go. I'm sure looking at video with players can help. But are the Yankees going to hire a hitting coach who has a philosophy that is different than the "impact" the baseball, swing for a HR on every pitch no matter what the situation and sticking out isn't a big deal than the Cashman doctrine I just spelled out? I'll guess no.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I do think that a manger with a strong personality who is aggressive can set a tone for a team. We can debate how much that's worth. I think the average MLB manager salary is under 2 million at this point and some of them are under 1 million. I'm pretty sure Maddon is the highest paid and he took a pay cut from 6 million with the Cubs to go to the Angels. How many wins has he been worth?
As far as hitting coaches go. I'm sure looking at video with players can help. But are the Yankees going to hire a hitting coach who has a philosophy that is different than the "impact" the baseball, swing for a HR on every pitch no matter what the situation and sticking out isn't a big deal than the Cashman doctrine I just spelled out? I'll guess no.
This is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I will and do disagree.
I think Boone got $3 mill his 1st year, but yeah, IDK what they make.
I can see what you say about a hitting coach. Whatever Cashman wants him to do, he does. So there is not much likelihood of change. But Blake did help the pitching staff.
But yeas, without Cashman gone, they will have the same old crap.
Not for long friend. Not for long.
On the other hand, Mendoza got some of those runners thrown out at the plate when he was subbing for Nevin. He needs to go, too.
And some of the runners thrown out on the bases was their own stupidity, like a couple of the brain farts that Torres had this season.
Again - what is with the love affair for Buck "One playoff series won in 20 seasons" Showalter?????
guy is a baseball man. he is a HoFer and boones resume has one big homer on it.
Arod is a great baseball man and i think he would go a long way in fixing this shit
This is really the “No Consequences Gang”.
98% of the fanbase?
Or 98% of WFAN's mouthbreathing callers?
Personally, I'm agnostic regarding Boone. I don't think field managers make that much of a difference. I suspect there are more than 2% of fans that are likeminded with me.
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He is just the type of mgr they want...one who does what he is told. I would luv to see Buck Showalter or even David Cone.
Again - what is with the love affair for Buck "One playoff series won in 20 seasons" Showalter?????
Buck, no.
Coney yes. He sounds really sharp.
A few questions. Who are some members of the organization? I have two guesses. Who do you think it is? All parties say Boone has final say in the lineup and game management "with significant input" from the GM and his laptops. How can they provide significant input into game management unless they're texting him which I believe is illegal in MLB or just 2nd guessing him (that must be fun) and IMO there is no way in hell Boone is final call on the lineup. That wild card lineup was straight off a spreadsheet and everyone knew it was mistake before the game started. Gallo cleanup? Come on. That was Boone's call? IMO if it was he'd be gone by now like Nevin is.
I’ll believe Boone is back when his name is on a contract. They just fired one of his best friends and seem to have made it clear he’ll have limited input on their replacements. I’m not sold they want him back.
guy is a baseball man. he is a HoFer and boones resume has one big homer on it.
Arod is a great baseball man and i think he would go a long way in fixing this shit
Put. The vodka. Down.
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He is just the type of mgr they want...one who does what he is told. I would luv to see Buck Showalter or even David Cone.
Again - what is with the love affair for Buck "One playoff series won in 20 seasons" Showalter?????
For some reason, and it’s not just Yankee fans, ridiculous as it sounds, people seem to think that Showalter hasn’t been given a fair chance b/c he’s been fired by teams that were on the cusp and won. Track record be dammned. He’s like the new Lou Piniella. Just less ornery. And less of a manager.
guy is a baseball man. he is a HoFer and boones resume has one big homer on it.
Arod is a great baseball man and i think he would go a long way in fixing this shit
You’re kidding me right
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98% of the fan base hates the idea.
This is really the “No Consequences Gang”.
98% of the fanbase?
Or 98% of WFAN's mouthbreathing callers?
Personally, I'm agnostic regarding Boone. I don't think field managers make that much of a difference. I suspect there are more than 2% of fans that are likeminded with me.
I’m with you
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
Oh give me a fucking break with this bullshit. Red Sox Nation waffled all season on Cora. Especially when things were rough. Go
Look at SOSH when they were floundering. Remind you of anything? ‘What Cora did for the Sox’ is a meaningless platitude and utter bullshit.
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That may or may not be why Hal agreed to Cashman's choice of Boone as the manager.
Seriously, this is like you smoke (Cashman) and eat bacon (Boone) everyday and you think, well, I already smoke, which is the worse thing for my health, so there is no reason for me to start eating healthier.
Even if a manager doesn't play a big role, Boone doesn't contribute anything at all. We all saw what Cora did for the Sox, why must we play with a handicap?
Oh give me a fucking break with this bullshit. Red Sox Nation waffled all season on Cora. Especially when things were rough. Go
Look at SOSH when they were floundering. Remind you of anything? ‘What Cora did for the Sox’ is a meaningless platitude and utter bullshit.
Boone is awful. His use of the BP is mediocre on a good day. The only time he was really good was when half the team had Covid or injured. He really did a nice job those 6 weeks in July and August.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
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That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
When Cashman has disagreed with his managers, its been well publicized. Examples are the disagreement about Refsnyder , Girardi playing Sanchez at 1st base and Boone's in game management in '18 and '19.
Certainly Cashman can make suggestions and certainly Boone may be more receptive to suggestions than Girardi or Torre, but he's still his own man and he still makes the final call.
Think about it. If Boone went against Cashman on any given day what could Cashman do about it ? Fire him on the spot and eat his contract ?
2. Despite the speculation by ESPN, I stand my my belief that Boone is a goner. If they were going to extend him they would have done so or at least told him privatly that they would do so.
From Boone's own comments they clearly have not done so. His comment that "The rest of the league has caught up to us" is a parting shot to management and a departure from Cashman's mantra that "We just missed".
During the season when things were going badly, Cashman was once pressed about his support of Boone. Of course the official line is always going to be "We stand my our manager", but on one occasion Cashman said "I've never fired a manager mid-season" Thats hardly a vote of confidence.
Lastly there were the comments from Sweeny Murti, John and Suzy all season. Paraphrased they went something like "Boone isn't in any trouble right now, but ........."
From losing in the ALCS, to ALDS, to WC card, but we can bring everyone back and things will be different next year? Is Franco and Vlad Jr. gonna regress at age 21 and 22?
Or should we just start rooting for .500-plus season now?
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That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
And, Boone was expected to walk away with the Division and yets had to claw and scrape just to get into the WC playoff game. Sawx were not even expected to be there.
Boone sucks. Period.
Wouldn't mind this. I prefer A-Rod. But he might not be looking...
“You are overcomplicating this. They have to fix catcher and shortstop,” the official said. “They have a lot of good players. They have just wasted time with [Gary] Sanchez and trying to make Gleyber [Torres] work at short. If they fix those two spots, they are going to keep being really good.”
I think it is a little deeper than that, including not trusting Aaron Hicks to be a starting center fielder defensively or to stay healthy, plus some overall questions about how bonded the clubhouse was in 2021. But, in general, I do agree that if the Yankees repair catcher and shortstop, that would do much to keep them a 90-plus win contender.
I've been saying most of this since opening day 2021. Not the clubhouse part but the SS, C, CF part. Now that I'm done patting myself on the back and saying I told you so how can this keep happening?
As all of you will attest I'm no baseball genius. Hal has to know this. It doesn't take Branch Rickey or Stick Michael level expertise. So WTF?
What fixing Yankees’ shortstop problem truly comes down to: Sherman - ( New Window )
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
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Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Thanks arnie - the numbers 3 and 4 were in my head. Figures - cheap price for a less than quality manager.
Now managers make a million a year when they start out. What does that tell you about how the game is run today? I still maintain managers over 162 games are almost meaningless.
The team on the field, the lineup, player acquisition is all set by the GM. Even managing a bullpen is out of their hands. They are under orders about pitch counts for starters, how many times through the lineup, usage rates for relievers with no more than two days in a row maximum.
There are rumors that what got Nevin fired was not the amount of outs at home plate but that he was in Boone's ear to manage more by "his gut" and Nevin's quotes when he was let go back that up.
I wonder what the holdup with Boone's new contract being announced is. Maybe they're waiting for some kind of heavy news day so no one notices. That's a joke.