1. I believe the Athletic article that Arniefez quoted. Why ? Because Cashman has said again and again with both Girardi and Boone that the manager does the lineup. Girardi and Boone have said again and again that the lineups are their responsibility, Boone has even gone as far as to say he decides who gets called up or sent down. Are they all lying ?
When Cashman has disagreed with his managers, its been well publicized. Examples are the disagreement about Refsnyder , Girardi playing Sanchez at 1st base and Boone's in game management in '18 and '19.
Certainly Cashman can make suggestions and certainly Boone may be more receptive to suggestions than Girardi or Torre, but he's still his own man and he still makes the final call.
Think about it. If Boone went against Cashman on any given day what could Cashman do about it ? Fire him on the spot and eat his contract ?
2. Despite the speculation by ESPN, I stand my my belief that Boone is a goner. If they were going to extend him they would have done so or at least told him privatly that they would do so.
From Boone's own comments they clearly have not done so. His comment that "The rest of the league has caught up to us" is a parting shot to management and a departure from Cashman's mantra that "We just missed".
During the season when things were going badly, Cashman was once pressed about his support of Boone. Of course the official line is always going to be "We stand my our manager", but on one occasion Cashman said "I've never fired a manager mid-season" Thats hardly a vote of confidence.
Lastly there were the comments from Sweeny Murti, John and Suzy all season. Paraphrased they went something like "Boone isn't in any trouble right now, but ........."
I love the “everything is fine” crowd, we are sitting at home rooting
for one hated rival to beat an even more hated rival. We can’t take care of business so maybe the NL pennant can do the job for us? And nobody is at fault? Everyone is doing a great job?
From losing in the ALCS, to ALDS, to WC card, but we can bring everyone back and things will be different next year? Is Franco and Vlad Jr. gonna regress at age 21 and 22?
Or should we just start rooting for .500-plus season now?
That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
And, Boone was expected to walk away with the Division and yets had to claw and scrape just to get into the WC playoff game. Sawx were not even expected to be there.
Recently, I was discussing the issues besetting the Yankees with a top baseball-operations official from another team. The executive let me prattle a bit then essentially did the sport’s version of talking an insane person off a ledge:
“You are overcomplicating this. They have to fix catcher and shortstop,” the official said. “They have a lot of good players. They have just wasted time with [Gary] Sanchez and trying to make Gleyber [Torres] work at short. If they fix those two spots, they are going to keep being really good.”
I think it is a little deeper than that, including not trusting Aaron Hicks to be a starting center fielder defensively or to stay healthy, plus some overall questions about how bonded the clubhouse was in 2021. But, in general, I do agree that if the Yankees repair catcher and shortstop, that would do much to keep them a 90-plus win contender.
I've been saying most of this since opening day 2021. Not the clubhouse part but the SS, C, CF part. Now that I'm done patting myself on the back and saying I told you so how can this keep happening?
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Thanks arnie - the numbers 3 and 4 were in my head. Figures - cheap price for a less than quality manager.
remember when Joe Torre quit because the Yankees wanted to cut his salary from 7 million to 5 million? That was post George when Cashman was following other GMs and taking control of micro managing the game on the field.
Now managers make a million a year when they start out. What does that tell you about how the game is run today? I still maintain managers over 162 games are almost meaningless.
The team on the field, the lineup, player acquisition is all set by the GM. Even managing a bullpen is out of their hands. They are under orders about pitch counts for starters, how many times through the lineup, usage rates for relievers with no more than two days in a row maximum.
There are rumors that what got Nevin fired was not the amount of outs at home plate but that he was in Boone's ear to manage more by "his gut" and Nevin's quotes when he was let go back that up.
I wonder what the holdup with Boone's new contract being announced is. Maybe they're waiting for some kind of heavy news day so no one notices. That's a joke.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
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That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
When Cashman has disagreed with his managers, its been well publicized. Examples are the disagreement about Refsnyder , Girardi playing Sanchez at 1st base and Boone's in game management in '18 and '19.
Certainly Cashman can make suggestions and certainly Boone may be more receptive to suggestions than Girardi or Torre, but he's still his own man and he still makes the final call.
Think about it. If Boone went against Cashman on any given day what could Cashman do about it ? Fire him on the spot and eat his contract ?
2. Despite the speculation by ESPN, I stand my my belief that Boone is a goner. If they were going to extend him they would have done so or at least told him privatly that they would do so.
From Boone's own comments they clearly have not done so. His comment that "The rest of the league has caught up to us" is a parting shot to management and a departure from Cashman's mantra that "We just missed".
During the season when things were going badly, Cashman was once pressed about his support of Boone. Of course the official line is always going to be "We stand my our manager", but on one occasion Cashman said "I've never fired a manager mid-season" Thats hardly a vote of confidence.
Lastly there were the comments from Sweeny Murti, John and Suzy all season. Paraphrased they went something like "Boone isn't in any trouble right now, but ........."
From losing in the ALCS, to ALDS, to WC card, but we can bring everyone back and things will be different next year? Is Franco and Vlad Jr. gonna regress at age 21 and 22?
Or should we just start rooting for .500-plus season now?
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That wasn’t my argument. The idea was put out that Cora was some sort of managing guru. That’s laughable.
Cora's no guru. But likely better than Boone.
But based on what, exactly? His team pissed away a lead and then had to claw their way into a wildcard playoff.
And, Boone was expected to walk away with the Division and yets had to claw and scrape just to get into the WC playoff game. Sawx were not even expected to be there.
Boone sucks. Period.
Wouldn't mind this. I prefer A-Rod. But he might not be looking...
“You are overcomplicating this. They have to fix catcher and shortstop,” the official said. “They have a lot of good players. They have just wasted time with [Gary] Sanchez and trying to make Gleyber [Torres] work at short. If they fix those two spots, they are going to keep being really good.”
I think it is a little deeper than that, including not trusting Aaron Hicks to be a starting center fielder defensively or to stay healthy, plus some overall questions about how bonded the clubhouse was in 2021. But, in general, I do agree that if the Yankees repair catcher and shortstop, that would do much to keep them a 90-plus win contender.
I've been saying most of this since opening day 2021. Not the clubhouse part but the SS, C, CF part. Now that I'm done patting myself on the back and saying I told you so how can this keep happening?
As all of you will attest I'm no baseball genius. Hal has to know this. It doesn't take Branch Rickey or Stick Michael level expertise. So WTF?
What fixing Yankees’ shortstop problem truly comes down to: Sherman - ( New Window )
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
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Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
Hear Boone’s contract to manage #Yankees is 3 yrs with option at $4M. 1st-time managers like Callaway #Mets 1st yr is between $700G-$900G. NYY gave Boone bit more to recognize NY market/good ESPN pact he was leaving.
1:24 PM · Dec 6, 2017·Twitter for iPhone
Not 4 million a year. 4 million total for 3 years.
Thanks arnie - the numbers 3 and 4 were in my head. Figures - cheap price for a less than quality manager.
Now managers make a million a year when they start out. What does that tell you about how the game is run today? I still maintain managers over 162 games are almost meaningless.
The team on the field, the lineup, player acquisition is all set by the GM. Even managing a bullpen is out of their hands. They are under orders about pitch counts for starters, how many times through the lineup, usage rates for relievers with no more than two days in a row maximum.
There are rumors that what got Nevin fired was not the amount of outs at home plate but that he was in Boone's ear to manage more by "his gut" and Nevin's quotes when he was let go back that up.
I wonder what the holdup with Boone's new contract being announced is. Maybe they're waiting for some kind of heavy news day so no one notices. That's a joke.