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Does the the front office has buyers remorse on Golladay?

Ned In Atlanta : 10/15/2021 7:34 am
I want to preface this by signing that I was a big fan of the signing. In theory, he's exactly the type of alpha WR that Jones and the team needs. Unfortunately, his career has been plagued by injuries and between the hamstring and now the knee the injury bug is again rearing its ugly head. Between the emergence of Toney, the restructuring of Shepard I wonder if they would have signed Judon or kept dalvin if they had a gimmie.
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I think Golladay & Jackson..  
Sean : 10/15/2021 7:36 am : link
Golladay is a good player, but he’s always had trouble staying on the field.
Mulligan*  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/15/2021 7:37 am : link
wrong golf terminology
What do you want to see from golladay  
Debaser : 10/15/2021 7:41 am : link
...at this point? And what do you want to see from giants at this point? This team is 1-4 and last place w a tough remaining schedule
Doubt it  
section125 : 10/15/2021 7:41 am : link
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He  
Toth029 : 10/15/2021 7:53 am : link
And Toney contemplated each other well vs the Saints.

Gotta remember Shepard is out more than Golladay has been.
Independent of the question on KG, in hindsight, they should have  
Spider56 : 10/15/2021 7:57 am : link
signed Cordelle Patterson... He would have been a great add to the offense.
the sky is falling so everything looks bad  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2021 7:58 am : link
no, and this is someone who didn't want Golladay.

He has a solid contract with $40m guaranteed which is far less than a bunch of other WR's that got paid before him. Health is why I didn't want him and yeah, here we are. That said it sounds like a 1-2 week thing and we stink anyway so it kinda doesn't matter for 2021.

I think the potential with him and Toney is undeniable. Really hope we get a good glimpse of that this year.
RE: Independent of the question on KG, in hindsight, they should have  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2021 7:59 am : link
In comment 15414156 Spider56 said:
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signed Cordelle Patterson... He would have been a great add to the offense.


You actually think we'd use him properly? He's had a long, fairly unproductive career. He went to an offense that lets him loose, I can confidently say that wouldn't have happened here.
Can we let this play out a bit (I know that’s a lot to ask)  
BillT : 10/15/2021 8:02 am : link
He came with some injury history. He also came with a couple of 1,000 yard seasons. It is frustrating he’s missed time with two injuries so far. Remember, he was the difference between going into the season with Shepard and Slayton as our #1and #2 WR. Would that have been what you preferred if they had signed Tomlinson ot Judon instead.
It could be the other way around  
GiantTuff1 : 10/15/2021 8:08 am : link
Golladay went from Detroit Lions to... the Detroit Giants. We're doing our best impersonation of the futile franchise, and doing it better than them the last 4 years or more.

To be fair, the Giants playbook was so uptight the first several weeks they rarely threw to Golladay and when they did they were usually successful with tough contested catches. He caught over 100 yards in his last game before injury, so the arrow was pointed up. They need to go to him more often as good things tend to happen. He has that dog mentality that we need.
another  
DannyDimes : 10/15/2021 8:08 am : link
pointless thread. Now we're commenting on what we think the front off is "feeling" about a signing? In what world does this matter to anyone?
Golladay was the type of WR this stale Offense needed and  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2021 8:12 am : link
something impactful for Jones to help determine what we have in him too. Though with many top free agents, comes some baggage like his injury history and possible attitude issues, both of which have been noticeable.

But I don't think this is any more prevalent than all the remorse in the Front Office right now...



I still have questions on if he can be a true 1  
GiantTuff1 : 10/15/2021 8:14 am : link
Just like with being a franchise QB, availability is one of the most important parts of the job. If you're always hurt, how can you truly be the most reliable part of the team (or WR group) that an entire franchise hinges on?

To me, he has the feel of a luxury type of 1b player who can be great, but the missed time is going to make him less reliable, and the missed time is going to make him more inconsistent. We already saw the poor chemistry with Jones to start the year and what that might have cost us.
Having guys you count  
joeinpa : 10/15/2021 8:17 am : link
On as a big part of your team be injury prone is a tough situation.

It s football, guys get hurt, but signing a top free agent with a history of missing games was a risky move, just as is drafting a RB with the second pick, so far neither move looks solid.

I hear and read by some how Gettleman has improved this roster, maybe the talent is better, but these move have not help to stop the losing up to this pt. ,

No  
JonC : 10/15/2021 8:25 am : link
They had been trying to pry him from the Lions for a long time.
RE: Having guys you count  
Sean : 10/15/2021 8:34 am : link
In comment 15414170 joeinpa said:
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On as a big part of your team be injury prone is a tough situation.

It s football, guys get hurt, but signing a top free agent with a history of missing games was a risky move, just as is drafting a RB with the second pick, so far neither move looks solid.

I hear and read by some how Gettleman has improved this roster, maybe the talent is better, but these move have not help to stop the losing up to this pt. ,

Gettleman has brought in some nice “individual” pieces. You can say these players have talent, but in terms of roster construction it has been a disaster.
Considering he is slow  
Justlurking : 10/15/2021 8:37 am : link
Injured, has dropped numerous catches and a diva not even coming close to remotely justifying what he is being paid most teams would have buyers remorse. But since our front office is a bunch of yes men who value obedience over victories i am sure they are all proud that they went out and “got their guy”.
Fans should be thrilled  
JonC : 10/15/2021 8:39 am : link
as DG tends to build a football roster not unlike a fan would; reactionary, expensive UFAs with known warts be damned, draft by best available at one position, hey it's fantasy football!
I don't think so but  
Rick in Dallas : 10/15/2021 8:40 am : link
were the Giants bidding against themselves in signing Golliday.
Rick  
JonC : 10/15/2021 8:43 am : link
absolutely, he was destined to by signed here.
I like Golladay...  
KingBlue : 10/15/2021 8:45 am : link
Can't wait for his return. He has some fire in him. He has a skill set that will serve us well. He is part of the solution, not part of the problem.
When youre  
Everyone Relax : 10/15/2021 8:46 am : link
1-4 I think you regret all your offseason signings.
RE: Fans should be thrilled  
Scooter185 : 10/15/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15414193 JonC said:
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as DG tends to build a football roster not unlike a fan would; reactionary, expensive UFAs with known warts be damned, draft by best available at one position, hey it's fantasy football!


Maybe DG can do a fantasy podcast after he gets fir... retires at the end of the year
The biggest question with Golladay is injuries  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2021 8:52 am : link
if he is healthy he is a great fit next to Toney and a good security blanket for Jones
I could care less what the front office thinks  
AnnapolisMike : 10/15/2021 9:01 am : link
This front office needs to be shuffled. I care what the next front office thinks.
RE: Fans should be thrilled  
BrettNYG10 : 10/15/2021 9:02 am : link
In comment 15414193 JonC said:
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as DG tends to build a football roster not unlike a fan would; reactionary, expensive UFAs with known warts be damned, draft by best available at one position, hey it's fantasy football!


These moves this off-season are looking like a pathetic gasp by a desperate GM trying to save his job.
Btw, the money that would've signed Dalvin  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:03 am : link
went to Adoree Jackson. I had warned last year Dalvin would likely be a cap sacrifice so they could improve other positions, namely edge and CB. Unfortunately, there wasn't much on the market and DG did what he often does and made a suspect pair of decisions.

A WR they felt was a #1 caliber was an absolute priority. Robbing Peter to pay Paul landed Jackson, and they're obviously still desperate to upgrade the CB unit.
Our front office?  
Joey in VA : 10/15/2021 9:04 am : link
I doubt it. Unless there is a plan so intricate that we can't discern it, no, they just fill in gaps with overpriced players because we have drafted horribly for about 10 years. The Giants are becoming the Knicks, unhappy fans, buy players, fans happy...lose fire everyone...start over...buy players...fans happy..draft poorly...lose..make half ass change..lose..buy players....fans happy..draft poorly..lose.
Absolutely not  
ZoneXDOA : 10/15/2021 9:04 am : link
Golladay is a physical receiver. His style of play almost guarantees that there will be some bumps and bruises and some of those will be more serious than others. He knows that and the front office knows that. You can’t really try to mitigate it either because that would take away from what makes Golladay Gaolladay. He’s a dog! He’ll be back and he’ll make those catches he’s supposed to make. You have to worry a bit about his back, major injuries like ACL/MCL but stuff like this is just the type of receiver he is.
No, I don't think they do.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2021 9:05 am : link
I think they will attribute it to 'bad luck'.

It's injuries, what can you do? You can just as well ask if they have buyer's remorse for extending Shep.

Injuries are part of football. Smart, well-run teams build their roster to try to avoid having one injury from being so damaging as to flush the season.
If the front office had buyers remorse,  
Angel Eyes : 10/15/2021 9:06 am : link
I doubt they would say anything outside of the organization.
DG appears too arrogant  
Enzo : 10/15/2021 9:14 am : link
to be capable of regret.
Wondering About Jackson  
Samiam : 10/15/2021 9:16 am : link
He’s the one I could see having buyers remorse. Tennessee has a bad defense including a bad secondary. Could be wrong about this but I thought they had Cap money to spend. Jackson was a 1st round pick and they didn’t even seem to want him for a 2nd contract. And, I think they have a smart coach. Makes me wonder.
RE: RE: Fans should be thrilled  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15414210 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15414193 JonC said:


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as DG tends to build a football roster not unlike a fan would; reactionary, expensive UFAs with known warts be damned, draft by best available at one position, hey it's fantasy football!



These moves this off-season are looking like a pathetic gasp by a desperate GM trying to save his job.


That "pathetic gasp" of offseason moves by this GM was revered by tons of BBI posters in threads all over this site in March/April/May.

Now they are being couched as pathetic moves once they start to play a few games? I didn't read too many of those opinions this past Spring.
Not to miller the thread,  
barens : 10/15/2021 9:19 am : link
but are fans still upset that the Eagles jumped in front of us to nab DeVonta Smith? And the Giants may have gotten the better receiver and an extra 1st round selection.
Giants shoulda picked  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:26 am : link
Parsons, I am annoyed about it.
RE: Giants shoulda picked  
KDavies : 10/15/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15414245 JonC said:
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Parsons, I am annoyed about it.


Give me Toney and a 1st, 4th (plus the 5th last year)
RE: Not to miller the thread,  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15414235 barens said:
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but are fans still upset that the Eagles jumped in front of us to nab DeVonta Smith? And the Giants may have gotten the better receiver and an extra 1st round selection.


I was a little pissed at the time as I wanted Smith or an OL but the extra #1 was a good get. Liked Toney but never thought of him as a first round type of WR, but I hope he holds up to those expectations now.
RE: RE: RE: Fans should be thrilled  
BrettNYG10 : 10/15/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15414232 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15414210 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 15414193 JonC said:


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as DG tends to build a football roster not unlike a fan would; reactionary, expensive UFAs with known warts be damned, draft by best available at one position, hey it's fantasy football!



These moves this off-season are looking like a pathetic gasp by a desperate GM trying to save his job.



That "pathetic gasp" of offseason moves by this GM was revered by tons of BBI posters in threads all over this site in March/April/May.

Now they are being couched as pathetic moves once they start to play a few games? I didn't read too many of those opinions this past Spring.


My view was that the moves raised the ceiling on this team and offered a path towards a double digit win. I thought it unlikely - I thought you needed Bradberry/Williams to maintain career years, as well as have Jones develop into a top ten QB.

I don't think there was universal praise - many of us pointed to the shaky core the Giants had.
RE: RE: Giants shoulda picked  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:32 am : link
In comment 15414248 KDavies said:
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Parsons, I am annoyed about it.



Give me Toney and a 1st, 4th (plus the 5th last year)


You still need them to get rid of DG and perhaps change the scouting structure so they don't screw up the picks.
The Toney love  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:33 am : link
is out of control around here.
RE: Our front office?  
Harvest Blend : 10/15/2021 9:33 am : link
In comment 15414213 Joey in VA said:
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I doubt it. Unless there is a plan so intricate that we can't discern it, no, they just fill in gaps with overpriced players because we have drafted horribly for about 10 years. The Giants are becoming the Knicks, unhappy fans, buy players, fans happy...lose fire everyone...start over...buy players...fans happy..draft poorly...lose..make half ass change..lose..buy players....fans happy..draft poorly..lose.


I've had that thought in my head for the last 6 or 7 years. :)
RE: DG appears too arrogant  
Spider43 : 10/15/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15414225 Enzo said:
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to be capable of regret.


This.
RE: The Toney love  
Harvest Blend : 10/15/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15414256 JonC said:
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is out of control around here.


There has to be some reason for wanting to watch this disaster. Toney doesn't move the needle enough for me to carve out time but if it does for others.....
I think there were cheaper alternatives…  
bw in dc : 10/15/2021 9:37 am : link
than KG but I get the need. And he came up huge in the Saints game in OT with some clutch catches. Big target, big contract…just need more wins and contributions to justify the costs.

He seems like a really good guy, too. And hopefully he can rub off on Toney in a positive way to keep KT on the rails…
RE: The Toney love  
KDavies : 10/15/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15414256 JonC said:
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is out of control around here.


In his first two games of getting real playing time, he has 16 receptions for 267 yards. Less than 80 yards less than D. Smith. He also passes the eye test. The past couple years (really since Beckham left), the Giants have had WRs that could not get separation and got very little YAC. Toney has the ability to excel in both areas.

Should Giants fans not be excited about him? Nobody is giving him a spot in Canton, but besides Chase, he is looking as good as any other WR in the draft.

Yeah, Brett I didn't mean 'you' specifically as was just using  
Jimmy Googs : 10/15/2021 9:39 am : link
your post to mention the overwhelming sentiment that was spoken about here.

And yes there was a facet that didn't give the universal praise (there always is), but that minority group often had to respond to why they are always just pessimists and can't they see the arrow is pointing up. Or a common line that you heard this offseason but not much now...

"...if you can't see that this roster is better, I don't know what to tell you."
RE: The Toney love  
JOrthman : 10/15/2021 9:42 am : link
In comment 15414256 JonC said:
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is out of control around here.


In a season like this, I think it's just fans looking for something to enjoy, some possible ray of light.
Many here  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:42 am : link
are trying to put him in Canton. Be excited, also grounded and realistic after two games and one ejection.
More to the point in my mind is  
JonC : 10/15/2021 9:44 am : link
the Giants have/had bigger positional needs than WR, and that #11 pick could've addressed a big one. They got cute imv.
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