I want to preface this by signing that I was a big fan of the signing. In theory, he's exactly the type of alpha WR that Jones and the team needs. Unfortunately, his career has been plagued by injuries and between the hamstring and now the knee the injury bug is again rearing its ugly head. Between the emergence of Toney, the restructuring of Shepard I wonder if they would have signed Judon or kept dalvin if they had a gimmie.
Even though Jones will probably not pan out, he still as easily the 2nd best QB in that draft. The problem is we just developed talent and cohesiveness around him that can only be matched by the Jets.
Yep, it it were 1978 instead of 2018, the pick would have been fine. I can understand passing on someone like Allen, but Nelson or Chubb should have been the pick. Or a trade down.
The route scheme hasn’t helped either.
That said, I’m waiting for JJ to get rolled up on the sidelines in this inordinately injury prone season.
That does seem obvious now, but my point is, the overreactions from one day to the next. 2 weeks ago, Golliday was a fantastic get, Gettleman got the rug taken out from under him when Philly swooped in and took Smith.
Clearly, the Adoree Jackson signing isn't going great, but I didn't mind the tradeoff for Tomlinson. Would we have been that much better off?
Golladay was a great get for the DG apologists. Many here expressed concerns about his injury history, and thought that DG overpaid.
And don't get me started on Adoree Jackson. He was left on the trash heap by a SB contending team. Who does that for a good player? Yet DG though it was OK to guarantee him $25M. Then we had some posters touting him as a top 5 CB. On what planet, one with only 5 CB's?
Much of this isn't revisionist history, it's real history. DG has been simply brutal, and has set this franchise back years. Yet we still have posters defending him and blaming Judge. Judge deserves some blame, don't get me wrong, but DG is the architect.
Look objectively at the people making the requests for personnel and making the decisions.
Joe Judge, a 38 year old Head Coach who had never been a head coach at any level
Pat Graham, a defensive coordinator with two years of experience running a whole defense, who had been fired once already after his first year running a defense
Dave Gettleman, a GM under fire for 0 winning seasons during his Giants tenure, and who was nearly fired last year.
Judge didn't negotiate the contracts. I didn't have an issue with signing KG, I had an issue with DG negotiating against himself. Who else was bidding on KG?
But even then, the KG contract is defensible. Jackson's is not. Again, I was fine with bringing him in. He had a very good rookie year, but really struggled after that. Maybe he gets back to his original form, it's worth a shot, but not at 3/$39. That is ridiculous, and that is all on DG.
I simply don't understand the DG apologists. I mean, who falls in love with a GM? He signs someone, and half of BBI is like "DG had a great signing!". And then when that guy sucks, it's all "well Judge chose him too!"
Pick a fucking lane.
From a value perspective, he’s being paid elite WR money and he’s never been close to an elite caliber player.
I'm not giving Judge a break, YOU are giving DG the break. Yes, Judge has say in FA signings, but who has the final word? That is Gettleman's fucking job, yet you give him a pass for it. Look, fire Judge at the end of the year, I would understand it, but fire him and keep DG? That is fucking lunacy.
You said yourself that the drafts pre-Judge were bad, but now the drafts are Judge's fault? What is the common denominator? Gettleman. He gets paid to call the shots, and he gets graded as such.
Again, I don't have an issue signing KG. I do with making him the 7th highest paid WR by AAV. Is that Judge's fault too? Jackson was worth a flyer, not $13M/yr and $25M guaranteed. That is on DG, IT IS ALL ON DG. He has shown zero understanding of how to manage a cap and adequately build a roster.
Maybe some, but many of us weren't.
First of all no teams want to cut a good CB.. this is 2021.. CBs are about as important as any defenders.. $10M is not bad amount of money for any good CB.. If they thought he was any good they won't mind paying him 10..
Second, if he didn't fit their system but someone else's system then that team would have gladly traded for a good ftting CB who is only getting paid 10M. No team did that..
Finally, titans figuring that no one thinks he is worth 10M they drop him.. then we bid against some unknown or ourselves and pay 13M (39M total, 46M with incentive) for him.. when just a week prior we could have had him for $10M plus a seventh (which has to be worth less than 3M per year)..
Its a fact that they tried to trade him and no other team wanted him at 10M.. then he becomes a FA and the giants spend $13M on him.. none of this makes sense.. you don't get waived and end up with a substansially better contract..
If he was good then we should've traded for him.. heck we could've just traded a backup player or a 7th.. and we couldn've saved 3M plus future salary cap.. if he wasn't good enough for $10M plus a 7th then we shouldn't have paid him $39M..
The pre signing talk is that the signing was going to come in at $12-14mm. Boom, it actually comes in at $18mm.
And the Giants had to structure the contract to backload the cap hits.
First of all no teams want to cut a good CB.. this is 2021.. CBs are about as important as any defenders.. $10M is not bad amount of money for any good CB.. If they thought he was any good they won't mind paying him 10..
Second, if he didn't fit their system but someone else's system then that team would have gladly traded for a good ftting CB who is only getting paid 10M. No team did that..
Finally, titans figuring that no one thinks he is worth 10M they drop him.. then we bid against some unknown or ourselves and pay 13M (39M total, 46M with incentive) for him.. when just a week prior we could have had him for $10M plus a seventh (which has to be worth less than 3M per year)..
Its a fact that they tried to trade him and no other team wanted him at 10M.. then he becomes a FA and the giants spend $13M on him.. none of this makes sense.. you don't get waived and end up with a substansially better contract..
If he was good then we should've traded for him.. heck we could've just traded a backup player or a 7th.. and we couldn've saved 3M plus future salary cap.. if he wasn't good enough for $10M plus a 7th then we shouldn't have paid him $39M..
Good post. Some interesting ideas about better way we could have gone about acquiring Jackson.
Gettleman is an impulsive shopper in free agency it seems...