and our pass pressure % is 3rd worst in the league at 18%. Captain Obvious here, but no pass rush, easier for a good NFL QB to pick and chose.
Meanwhile, and this is an additional correlation, we're nearly giving up 50% of our opponents drives that lead to an offensive score. Which is basically 3rd worst in the league.
I really overestimated what this defense was going to do with another year under the guidance of the Black Picasso...
but it is pretty obvious now the D needs a big influx of talent. It is not just a coaching issue.
If the staff sticks with this scheme I will be surprised if more than 5/6 players playing now are on the team come 2023 including Martinez and current depth.
lot of that is because we have no pass rush, which means the secondary has to cover longer. The secondary of course also hasn't been covering well. Gettleman has really ruined the roster as well as severely limited our cap room.
lot of that is because we have no pass rush, which means the secondary has to cover longer. The secondary of course also hasn't been covering well. Gettleman has really ruined the roster as well as severely limited our cap room.
I think you nailed it. Only solution is a pass rush. Lack of one is on Gettleman. Don’t see how anyone can defend him at this pt.
He brought in some nice players, but he hasn’t put together a winning team.
and our pass pressure % is 3rd worst in the league at 18%. Captain Obvious here, but no pass rush, easier for a good NFL QB to pick and chose.
Meanwhile, and this is an additional correlation, we're nearly giving up 50% of our opponents drives that lead to an offensive score. Which is basically 3rd worst in the league.
I really overestimated what this defense was going to do with another year under the guidance of the Black Picasso...
Yeah, I expected a little regression to the mean this year, but I never foresaw it being this bad.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
100 percent on the D cordinator. Playing soft man and zone all yr and not even stopping the big play.
How is that on the D coordinator? At some point players have to make a play. They are running the same scheme as last season with different results. That's mostly on the players.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
So if a strategy isn't working because, in this case, the opponent's offense is able to get down the field and score, what do you do? You change things up; you don't keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I did combat sports when I was in high school and college and that's one of the things my coach stressed; if something isn't working, try something different.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It's working out great. The idea isn't to cover the spread. It's to win the game.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It's working out great. The idea isn't to cover the spread. It's to win the game.
I agree. And their best bet is to reduce the number of possessions and hope they get some lucky bounces and calls. This is not a roster that is going to be able to go out and impose itself on either side of the ball.
- They can't rush the quarterback
- They can't cover the intermediate areas with their safeties and linebackers
- They can't score in the red zone
What magic wand do you want the coaches to wave to overcome these issues? I'm not an expert - for all I know they're already waving that wand and it isn't making a difference.
The roster sucks. It sucks huge. That's the result of years of bad drafting, bad contracts, and zero self-scouting.
This disaster isn't the result of last week's game plan. It's been in the works for years.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
So if a strategy isn't working because, in this case, the opponent's offense is able to get down the field and score, what do you do? You change things up; you don't keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I did combat sports when I was in high school and college and that's one of the things my coach stressed; if something isn't working, try something different.
How do you know they are not mixing things up but nothing is working. You are assuming if they only try something new it will work but when the team doesn't have a pass rush, poor linebackers and safeties that can't cover no amount of scheming is going to work. The only solution is to keep the game close and hope the offense can score some points. For years the Saints and Chiefs had shitty defense but their teams still won more games than they lost.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
Totally agree with this. This is not on Graham.
then you're just admitting to watching the 22 film. Graham multiple times on the goal line let them walk it in based purely on the d call. It's sickening how soft we play. that is 100 percent scheme.
100 percent on the D cordinator. Playing soft man and zone all yr and not even stopping the big play.
How is that on the D coordinator? At some point players have to make a play. They are running the same scheme as last season with different results. That's mostly on the players.
watch the d we played on a few walk in touchdowns. Dudes playing scared coverage on the fricking goal line.
The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
Totally agree with this. This is not on Graham.
then you're just admitting to watching the 22 film. Graham multiple times on the goal line let them walk it in based purely on the d call. It's sickening how soft we play. that is 100 percent scheme.
Lamb blew by Bradbury on 1-1 coverage for a TD. Like he wasn't even there. No matter what we do- zone coverage, man coverage nothing works.
Some of the guys had career seasons last year. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they're great. Just great by our low standards.
Graham talked this week that it starts with being able to stop the run.
Ryan said something like if you can’t set the edge no scheme works even in pee wee league.
The long drives kill your interior guys and the rotation is lacking. I think this is what’s hurting Williams and Lawrence more so. They run out of steam.
Then you have a rookie who was known to need development and Carter/Xman giving virtually nothing.
I can never seem to find the stat but I’d like to see what the ave down and distance the D faces on 2nd/3rd down compared to last year.
100 percent on the D cordinator. Playing soft man and zone all yr and not even stopping the big play.
Funny Chris Bisignano from the Giants Insider, (I m retired I listen to a lot of Giants stuff when I walk😄) Was railing against that narrative.
He s point, no matter what Graham calls, zone, man, etc nothing works it s player execution or the players aren’t good enough.
Ma
I agree, the roster is bad and doesn't challenge the QB. I get the logic to have a deep secondary in a passing league, but it doesn't mean anything if the QB can sit back and go through all of his reads every down, which help the secondary when they're underperforming. The roster construction is imbalanced and puts stress on too many players having to be perfect every play to make up for the weaknesses.
playing ten yards off the line of scrimmage on a 3rd and 3, you are going to have some easy completions.
And that’s what keeps theD on the field for 2 more plays til it’s 3rdand 4 and the secondary is 11 yards off the line and a TE over the middle gets 14, so the D is on the field for the 3rd and 6 telegraphing the blitz, and a screen hits for22 yards. And a 3rd and goal at the 6 and our secondary is playing on the lettering in the EZ., while we are screaming at the TV, WTH are you doing?!
No pass rush, no LBs, overrated secondary, "bend but don't break scheme", not facing a bunch of backup QBs, etc.
Funny Chris Bisignano from the Giants Insider, (I m retired I listen to a lot of Giants stuff when I walk😄) Was railing against that narrative.
He s point, no matter what Graham calls, zone, man, etc nothing works it s player execution or the players aren’t good enough.
Ma
Unless I heard wrong, overall
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Is that overall or in certain downs/situations?
Unless I heard wrong, overall
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No pass rush, no LBs, overrated secondary, "bend but don't break scheme", not facing a bunch of backup QBs, etc.
Interesting, you might be exactly right. Perhaps our expectations for this Giants defense was based on their play against second tier quarterbacks.
Looking back towards the end of the year, when they were supposedly playing well weren’t they lit up by the Cardinals and Browns
Heineke- 34/46
Ryan- 27/36
Winston/Hill- 19/26
Dak/Wilson- 23/33
Overall- 131/177= 74%
Crazy. We've arguably faced only upper/second level echelon QB at this point too in Dak.
Heineke- 34/46
Ryan- 27/36
Winston/Hill- 19/26
Dak/Wilson- 23/33
Overall- 131/177= 74%
Crazy. We've arguably faced only upper/second level echelon QB at this point too in Dak.
yup. this is a staggering level of poor play in coverage.
Heineke- 34/46
Ryan- 27/36
Winston/Hill- 19/26
Dak/Wilson- 23/33
Overall- 131/177= 74%
Crazy. We've arguably faced only upper/second level echelon QB at this point too in Dak.
Faced only one*
Heineke- 34/46
Ryan- 27/36
Winston/Hill- 19/26
Dak/Wilson- 23/33
Overall- 131/177= 74%
Crazy. We've arguably faced only upper/second level echelon QB at this point too in Dak.
Yikes! That really jumps.
Thanks though, I m terrible at finding stats,
Meanwhile, and this is an additional correlation, we're nearly giving up 50% of our opponents drives that lead to an offensive score. Which is basically 3rd worst in the league.
I really overestimated what this defense was going to do with another year under the guidance of the Black Picasso...
The Giants are:
- 4th to last in sack percentage
- 3rd to last in pressure percentage
- 2nd to last in knock down percentage
So, again, if a good NFL QB can dissect the blitz coming, than it's more pitch and catch for easy completions...
If the staff sticks with this scheme I will be surprised if more than 5/6 players playing now are on the team come 2023 including Martinez and current depth.
So, again, if a good NFL QB can dissect the blitz coming, than it's more pitch and catch for easy completions...
Yup, and add in how bad the run defense is, at 4.7 YPC, making play action that much more of a threat.
For a full year, looks like the worst in the league has been between 68% and 73% the past few years.
2021 passing D - ( New Window )
I think you nailed it. Only solution is a pass rush. Lack of one is on Gettleman. Don’t see how anyone can defend him at this pt.
He brought in some nice players, but he hasn’t put together a winning team.
Meanwhile, and this is an additional correlation, we're nearly giving up 50% of our opponents drives that lead to an offensive score. Which is basically 3rd worst in the league.
I really overestimated what this defense was going to do with another year under the guidance of the Black Picasso...
Yeah, I expected a little regression to the mean this year, but I never foresaw it being this bad.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
His Guernica comes to mind.
How is that on the D coordinator? At some point players have to make a play. They are running the same scheme as last season with different results. That's mostly on the players.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
So if a strategy isn't working because, in this case, the opponent's offense is able to get down the field and score, what do you do? You change things up; you don't keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I did combat sports when I was in high school and college and that's one of the things my coach stressed; if something isn't working, try something different.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It's working out great. The idea isn't to cover the spread. It's to win the game.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It's working out great. The idea isn't to cover the spread. It's to win the game.
I agree. And their best bet is to reduce the number of possessions and hope they get some lucky bounces and calls. This is not a roster that is going to be able to go out and impose itself on either side of the ball.
- They can't rush the quarterback
- They can't cover the intermediate areas with their safeties and linebackers
- They can't score in the red zone
What magic wand do you want the coaches to wave to overcome these issues? I'm not an expert - for all I know they're already waving that wand and it isn't making a difference.
The roster sucks. It sucks huge. That's the result of years of bad drafting, bad contracts, and zero self-scouting.
This disaster isn't the result of last week's game plan. It's been in the works for years.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
Totally agree with this. This is not on Graham.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
It doesn't seem to be working since our defense keeps getting worn down.
What's the alternative? Blitz to create pressure and try to win shootouts? The linebackers are poor, the safeties aren't good in coverage, and the offense struggles to get past 20 points.
It's not an option.
I've been saying it since he was hired - Judge takes a butter knife to a gun fight every week.
So if a strategy isn't working because, in this case, the opponent's offense is able to get down the field and score, what do you do? You change things up; you don't keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. I did combat sports when I was in high school and college and that's one of the things my coach stressed; if something isn't working, try something different.
How do you know they are not mixing things up but nothing is working. You are assuming if they only try something new it will work but when the team doesn't have a pass rush, poor linebackers and safeties that can't cover no amount of scheming is going to work. The only solution is to keep the game close and hope the offense can score some points. For years the Saints and Chiefs had shitty defense but their teams still won more games than they lost.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
Totally agree with this. This is not on Graham.
then you're just admitting to watching the 22 film. Graham multiple times on the goal line let them walk it in based purely on the d call. It's sickening how soft we play. that is 100 percent scheme.
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100 percent on the D cordinator. Playing soft man and zone all yr and not even stopping the big play.
How is that on the D coordinator? At some point players have to make a play. They are running the same scheme as last season with different results. That's mostly on the players.
watch the d we played on a few walk in touchdowns. Dudes playing scared coverage on the fricking goal line.
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The entire coaching staff coaches scared. All the time.
The coaches are trying to keep the games close by reducing the number of total possessions. Who can blame them? They're undermanned every week. They don't have good players, particularly in the key high leverage positions.
Who can blame them for coaching scared? I wouldn't trust these players to execute either.
Totally agree with this. This is not on Graham.
then you're just admitting to watching the 22 film. Graham multiple times on the goal line let them walk it in based purely on the d call. It's sickening how soft we play. that is 100 percent scheme.
Lamb blew by Bradbury on 1-1 coverage for a TD. Like he wasn't even there. No matter what we do- zone coverage, man coverage nothing works.
Some of the guys had career seasons last year. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they're great. Just great by our low standards.
Ryan said something like if you can’t set the edge no scheme works even in pee wee league.
The long drives kill your interior guys and the rotation is lacking. I think this is what’s hurting Williams and Lawrence more so. They run out of steam.
Then you have a rookie who was known to need development and Carter/Xman giving virtually nothing.
I can never seem to find the stat but I’d like to see what the ave down and distance the D faces on 2nd/3rd down compared to last year.
This years pass rush is the worst I have seen.
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100 percent on the D cordinator. Playing soft man and zone all yr and not even stopping the big play.
Funny Chris Bisignano from the Giants Insider, (I m retired I listen to a lot of Giants stuff when I walk😄) Was railing against that narrative.
He s point, no matter what Graham calls, zone, man, etc nothing works it s player execution or the players aren’t good enough.
Ma
I agree, the roster is bad and doesn't challenge the QB. I get the logic to have a deep secondary in a passing league, but it doesn't mean anything if the QB can sit back and go through all of his reads every down, which help the secondary when they're underperforming. The roster construction is imbalanced and puts stress on too many players having to be perfect every play to make up for the weaknesses.
In his dreams he does.
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the abstract defense that our Black Picasso runs.
His Guernica comes to mind.
The Giants are:
- 4th to last in sack percentage
- 3rd to last in pressure percentage
- 2nd to last in knock down percentage
Let me simplify that a little…it’s a bad defense period! 🤦🏾♂️. 74% completion percentage is hard to swallow.
And that’s what keeps theD on the field for 2 more plays til it’s 3rdand 4 and the secondary is 11 yards off the line and a TE over the middle gets 14, so the D is on the field for the 3rd and 6 telegraphing the blitz, and a screen hits for22 yards. And a 3rd and goal at the 6 and our secondary is playing on the lettering in the EZ., while we are screaming at the TV, WTH are you doing?!