Jones will play Saquon and Golladay OUT

they have an appointment scheduled to get kicked in the balls for Sunday at 1?

Was this in the NO game or at practice?

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Even though WR Kadarius Toney is "questionable", all indications are he's expected to play on Sunday.

I'm not so sure about the others, particularly LT Andrew Thomas. It may be Nate Solder or Matt Peart at LT, with the other at RT.

That is impressive.

I'm not sure if it's wise, but hey it's the giants.

think he is tougher than Booker.

Nah, never happen.

In comment 15414808 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Nah, never happen.

Have you ever done that to your ankle? Took me 3 months

I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

hearing "Daniel Jones is going to play"

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In comment 15414808 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Nah, never happen. Have you ever done that to your ankle? Took me 3 months

He just missed practically an entire season last year. Point being, every year now it's something.

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That is impressive. I'm not sure if it's wise, but hey it's the giants.

+1

Giants Crazy to Allow Jones to face Aaron Donald after getting up wobble 1 week ago and almost wobble…hopefully the higher ups intervene..sacrifice this game for Jones long term health..As the season appears to be over…smh

In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said:

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I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

Not to worry. Didn't you hear Garrett in his presser say the point is that we don't want Daniel taking hits?

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In comment 15414803 DavidinBMNY said: Quote: That is impressive. I'm not sure if it's wise, but hey it's the giants. +1 Giants Crazy to Allow Jones to face Aaron Donald after getting up wobble 1 week ago and almost wobble…hopefully the higher ups intervene..sacrifice this game for Jones long term health..As the season appears to be over…smh

So he went through protocol, he is cleared to play by an independent doctor, he is healthy and you want to sit him?

Repetitive head injuries are an extremely serious problem. A second injury before the first has fully healed can lead to problems that prevent a person from having a normal life, let alone playing professional sports. I say this not as part of BBI medical team, but as part of a real medical team. If Judge is not blowing smoke and is really going to do this he is an ass, whose poor judgement extends beyond thinking that his O line was OK and that he needs 5 special teams specialists on the roster.

Sitting him an extra week, two or the rest of the year does nothing.

If he's cleared, that's as good as it will get.

In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said:

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I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

Agreed.

Take this week off. It's just not worth it.

Regards,
Your Future Health & Aaron Danold

Jones should not play. Not with Solder starting at LT. Even if Thomas does play, I would question playing Jones

In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said:

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I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

I agree. I don’t know if there is any real science behind this, but I feel a player that was recently concussed in more prone to get another concussion soon after.

In comment 15414821 pjcas18 said:

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hearing "Daniel Jones is going to play"

And these are the Rams:


Mr. Miyagi is not coming to the rescue

Up to the doctors if Jones is clear to play. The giants go by what the medical independent staff say.

In comment 15414836 FranknWeezer said:

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In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said: Quote: I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon. Not to worry. Didn't you hear Garrett in his presser say the point is that we don't want Daniel taking hits?

So it’s hand off leftt, handoff right, delayed draw, punt for 4 quarters, with an occasional pass, and 2 OG or 2OT on each side of the Center.

Means a lot more than just saying "yeah I'm good." Besides seeing an independent neurologist, team med staff would only send him if there was a high chance of him being cleared. Plus he had to take at least one specialized test that is compared to a baseline test taken before the season.

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they have an appointment scheduled to get kicked in the balls for Sunday at 1?

No, not at all.

I'm in L.A., so it's at 10. And since it's the Rams, the game will be on here. Normally exciting. Now, not so much.

lot of posters luv to crash on Barkley but he is as well... and trust me I am just as pissed as the next that he is so injury prone but you can't question the character....at least as far as I can tell....and Golladay is Barkley as in always hurt..

They turn it around...Thomas and Peart the ends...Gates comes back....maybe Wilson matures and plays like Willam Roberts at guard..I can dream right

Not one of you is a neurologist. There are a few MDs here. Did you non-neurologists read a post from one of our MDs saying that Jones should sit even if he passes the protocol? Correct, you did not. You cannot diagnose through the media or pictures on TV. Yes he was wobbly, yet he was reading on the plane on the way home. Just because he was momentarily wobbly does not mean he had a severe concussion. We have also seen players get hit as if nothing was wrong and not have a clue as to where they were and needed to be removed.

Each condition is independent from other people. Every person heals differently and/or shows different symptoms. Last year Mahomes was virtually knocked out on the field yet passed the field test before the next series. Clint Frazier banged his head on a wire cyclone fence in spring training and it looked like nothing, yet he is still having issues year and a half later.

I do not blame anyone for thinking that they do not want Jones being run over by Aaron Donald, but that is a separate issue.

IMHO

“Mini Medical School” at our medical school. Always surprises me how popular it is. BBI frequently reads like many posters are graduates of said course.

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In comment 15414803 DavidinBMNY said: Quote: That is impressive. I'm not sure if it's wise, but hey it's the giants. +1 Giants Crazy to Allow Jones to face Aaron Donald after getting up wobble 1 week ago and almost wobble…hopefully the higher ups intervene..sacrifice this game for Jones long term health..As the season appears to be over…smh

I don’t understand this “don’t play Jones” thing.

Medical professionals have cleared him. Why wouldn’t you play your healthy starting QB and try to win the damned game? (Cue Herman Edwards)

The season’s not over you know and Jones and Toney can win this game for us. And the coaches said Jones will have his usual repertoire which a healthy player should do.

Ok, would I call a QB sneak this week? Probably not. Outside of that? Go get ‘em Danny!

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In comment 15414821 pjcas18 said: Quote: hearing "Daniel Jones is going to play" And these are the Rams: Mr. Miyagi is not coming to the rescue

no problemo cobra kai's

and sit Jones.

At the very least so Glennon gets some solid game snaps in before Jones gets injured again.

but I still think one more week of rest would be best for no reason other than my own unprofessional medical opinion.

In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said:

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I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

Yeah, he's going to get murdered.

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think he is tougher than Booker.

Booker is tough as nails and twice the RB that Penny is.

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Not one of you is a neurologist. There are a few MDs here. Did you non-neurologists read a post from one of our MDs saying that Jones should sit even if he passes the protocol? Correct, you did not. You cannot diagnose through the media or pictures on TV. Yes he was wobbly, yet he was reading on the plane on the way home. Just because he was momentarily wobbly does not mean he had a severe concussion. We have also seen players get hit as if nothing was wrong and not have a clue as to where they were and needed to be removed. Each condition is independent from other people. Every person heals differently and/or shows different symptoms. Last year Mahomes was virtually knocked out on the field yet passed the field test before the next series. Clint Frazier banged his head on a wire cyclone fence in spring training and it looked like nothing, yet he is still having issues year and a half later. I do not blame anyone for thinking that they do not want Jones being run over by Aaron Donald, but that is a separate issue. IMHO

I worked in an athletic concussion clinic for the past few years. This is the best post I have seen on this. Every patient and concussion is so individualized. None of us have any idea. I wouldn't blame them if they held him out a week, but also if he is good to go, he shouldn't have to sit.

Say what you will about Jones but he's a tough SoB and easy to root for

How many teams in nfl history have elected to bench their starting (even if partially injured) qb because their left tackle was hurt?

Stop with the madness. Teams don’t do that shit.

I was knocked unconscious during a rugby match, they stopped the match, I came to and stayed in, and was woozy the rest of the match. But I felt fine and was asymptomatic the rest of the night, and thereafter. I assume I suffered some form of concussion but recovered quickly. Jones never lost consciousness so, hopefully, he too has recovered quickly.

because we set the reset button 3 times, (Ben M, Shurmurnator and JJudge) it seems like we have sucked forever. However, I do think the talent level on this team has improved since the Ben Mac/Shurmur era. I think the GMEN will turn the corner.
I could feel it happening around 1985 after 20 years of crappy football and I feel we are getting there......When???

I feel like by the time it happens, I'll get kicked out of AARP for being too old!

Stay safe and healthy BBI!

It doesn’t really matter. The Rams will easily go over 40, making all of this talk pointless.

Pass me a bottle, Mr. Jones
Believe in me
Help me believe in anything
'Cause I wanna be someone who believes
Yeah

as this season goes along. May not be the wisest move to play but he is all desire & effort. More than some others.

Tony Toni Tone
And DJ Quick
You didn't think we could flip it on yo ass, huh?
Something for the dance floor
In a real way
It's going down like this forever
And a day
Now what you hear is not a drag
Cause Mr. DJ Quik got a brand new bag
But first I gotta bang bang
A boogie for the boogie
To the rhythm of the ghettoey streets
Check it out now

specifically the ones about breaking a bone at Duke and getting earholed/helmet broken while in HS.

His response to each was telling, he missed the minimum amount of time in college and in High School, he told the coach to get a new helmet so he could go right back in.

Players like Toney, Thomas, etc..., no matter what the fans and others may think of his ability to play QB, the players, his teammates have the utmost respect and admiration for his toughness and leadership. And that's one of the hardest if not the most important trait for a QB have.

Without the threat of Jones taking off on the option it’s going to be ugly.

In comment 15414803 DavidinBMNY said:

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That is impressive. I'm not sure if it's wise, but hey it's the giants.

Jones is tough, but I don't think this type of decision should be in the player's hands.

I am obviously not a doctor and I am not privy to his test results. But, I find it VERY hard to believe that he is really OK to play this week. A player requiring a cart to exit the field from a hit to the head is usually serious. I have no clue how he passed the protocol, but that is more just about absence of symptoms for a certain period of time. The irresponsibility part is ignoring the fact that he is, right now, more vulnerable to reinjury.

In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said:

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I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon.

This! 7 days ago,he took a hit to his head that made him look like a drunk trying to leave a bar unsuccessfully! Haven't we learned the long term effects these hits have on the brain? 7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" Doctors are still learning about the long term effects of hits to the brain,so although he was cleared,I hoped management would take the cautious approach rather than put a young man's life at more risk. Jones isn't going to say NO. As the QB & pseudo-leader of the team,he needs to show a warrior mentality. It's up to management to protect him,which they are not!In Eric's preview this week, he talked how management has turned off even the most loyal fans with their actions. This is another huge nail in that coffin!

In comment 15415243 TheMick7 said:

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In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said: Quote: I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon. This! 7 days ago,he took a hit to his head that made him look like a drunk trying to leave a bar unsuccessfully! Haven't we learned the long term effects these hits have on the brain? 7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" Doctors are still learning about the long term effects of hits to the brain,so although he was cleared,I hoped management would take the cautious approach rather than put a young man's life at more risk. Jones isn't going to say NO. As the QB & pseudo-leader of the team,he needs to show a warrior mentality. It's up to management to protect him,which they are not!In Eric's preview this week, he talked how management has turned off even the most loyal fans with their actions. This is another huge nail in that coffin!

I love it, this is the world we live in today. Science versus the idiot class.

In comment 15415250 BigBlueJ said:

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In comment 15415243 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said: Quote: I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon. This! 7 days ago,he took a hit to his head that made him look like a drunk trying to leave a bar unsuccessfully! Haven't we learned the long term effects these hits have on the brain? 7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" Doctors are still learning about the long term effects of hits to the brain,so although he was cleared,I hoped management would take the cautious approach rather than put a young man's life at more risk. Jones isn't going to say NO. As the QB & pseudo-leader of the team,he needs to show a warrior mentality. It's up to management to protect him,which they are not!In Eric's preview this week, he talked how management has turned off even the most loyal fans with their actions. This is another huge nail in that coffin! I love it, this is the world we live in today. Science versus the idiot class.

You two damn sure aren’t doctors so I’m guessing you both spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express last night? How was the breakfast?

Your concern is cute but neither of you have a clue about this particular situation.

In comment 15415253 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15415250 BigBlueJ said: Quote: In comment 15415243 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 15414820 eric2425ny said: Quote: I would have sat Jones at least one game after that hit he took last week. Especially when you consider the defense they are about to face coming off that injury. He takes a shot from Donald and things could get really bad. We’ve seen what happens when you bring players back too quickly from concussions. Remember Shepard a few years ago? He plays QB which offers more protection than other positions, but if they’re smart they won’t be designing any upright runs anytime soon. This! 7 days ago,he took a hit to his head that made him look like a drunk trying to leave a bar unsuccessfully! Haven't we learned the long term effects these hits have on the brain? 7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" Doctors are still learning about the long term effects of hits to the brain,so although he was cleared,I hoped management would take the cautious approach rather than put a young man's life at more risk. Jones isn't going to say NO. As the QB & pseudo-leader of the team,he needs to show a warrior mentality. It's up to management to protect him,which they are not!In Eric's preview this week, he talked how management has turned off even the most loyal fans with their actions. This is another huge nail in that coffin! I love it, this is the world we live in today. Science versus the idiot class. You two damn sure aren’t doctors so I’m guessing you both spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express last night? How was the breakfast? Your concern is cute but neither of you have a clue about this particular situation.

Guess what? Neither do you. But,what I do know, is research is being done continually as people who have suffered from extensive blows to their brain,have left them to science, so to help expand the knowledge to this injury.It's a work in progress!And,I was just stating my feelings about this topic,but,silly me,I forgot that posting something only sets you up for asinine responses from people who because they don't agree with you,decide to attack you. It's the BBI way!

In comment 15415154 NYGgolfer said:

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as this season goes along. May not be the wisest move to play but he is all desire & effort. More than some others.

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I said after the loss to the Cowpokes, I wouldn't have played
him this week...still feel the same way. One good shot towards
the head area, and he'll be back in concussion protocol.

Give me a break, you throw this statement out there…

“7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!"

So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough to you. Great. You have no idea the severity of the concussion in this instance and you likely have little to no knowledge of concussions in general, either. So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough? What would you say is enough? 14 days? 60 days? A year? And what is your opinion of the longevity needed in this particular case based on?

In comment 15415266 BigBlueShock said:

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Give me a break, you throw this statement out there… “7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough to you. Great. You have no idea the severity of the concussion in this instance and you likely have little to no knowledge of concussions in general, either. So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough? What would you say is enough? 14 days? 60 days? A year? And what is your opinion of the longevity needed in this particular case based on?

Socratic method is a great way to say nothing & question everything,isn't it?

In comment 15415269 TheMick7 said:

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In comment 15415266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Give me a break, you throw this statement out there… “7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough to you. Great. You have no idea the severity of the concussion in this instance and you likely have little to no knowledge of concussions in general, either. So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough? What would you say is enough? 14 days? 60 days? A year? And what is your opinion of the longevity needed in this particular case based on? Socratic method is a great way to say nothing & question everything,isn't it?

Ok. So at least you admit that you have no clue. We are in lockstep there. Enjoy your day.

In comment 15415276 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15415269 TheMick7 said: Quote: In comment 15415266 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Give me a break, you throw this statement out there… “7 days doesn't seem like anywhere near the time needed for it to heal. Now,I don't want to get in an argument of,"But the doctors cleared him,so...blah,blah,blah!" So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough to you. Great. You have no idea the severity of the concussion in this instance and you likely have little to no knowledge of concussions in general, either. So 7 days doesn’t seem like enough? What would you say is enough? 14 days? 60 days? A year? And what is your opinion of the longevity needed in this particular case based on? Socratic method is a great way to say nothing & question everything,isn't it? Ok. So at least you admit that you have no clue. We are in lockstep there. Enjoy your day.

They say "Ignorance is Bliss" & since every retort you made is just using good old Socrates,I now know why you do well in these forums.Say nothing,question everything & disagree with anything you don't have a clue on. This is a strategy that has worked well in our country recently,so you do you! The only thing I think we can agree on is we both hope DJ gets through tomorrow's game healthy! You enjoy your day as well!

for Jones' health. The protocol is looking for clearance of symptoms for a certain number of days. The reality is, that no, 7 days is not sufficient time for the brain injury to heal, regardless of symptoms. In fact, it is within a window where further damage is likely because of it's vulnerable state. Further, if they are going to bring him back, but be conservative and make him a pocket passer, it eliminates what makes him more effective, which is the threat to run. We saw that last year with the ankle. Lastly, what do we gain by playing him? We are already 1-4 and shown no signs of being able to get out of our own way. If you like Jones and think he is the future QB for the franchise, then you should really want him rested a little more to separate himself a little longer from a serious concussion.

with so many sources citing similar findings. Timetables range from 2-3 months to over a year, if given time to fully "heal". Even healing is false, because the brain injuries become cumulative as full return to health doesn't exist for brain tissue.
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+1

Have we already forgotten the genius Giants' medical brain trust who thought it was a good idea to bring Jones in the 2nd week (I think) following a grade 2 hamstring injury? He was an immobile statue and was physically punished in what passed for a NY Giants pocket at the time.

This is potentially far worse. I'll have more to say about section's post later.

Suffice to say that a week is hardly enough time to satisfy rudimentary RTP sequences