Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
I think I have a better idea. I'll keep watching the games, rooting
Great point. I didn’t even realize that. Belichick was 7-14 in his first 21 games in NE.
The '00 Patriots sucked, but those late '90s Patriots rosters were WAY more stacked than the team JJ inherited. I think the Pats win a title one of those seasons if Parcells doesn't leave NE for the Jets.
Acknowledging the team is bad seems to be a sensibility offending action for some fans. I suspect that might extend to general management and ownership.
It’s ok to admit the team and organization has hit tough times.
Acknowledging the team is bad seems to be a sensibility offending action for some fans. I suspect that might extend to general management and ownership.
It’s ok to admit the team and organization has hit tough times.
I'm dumbfounded by posters who think things are fine. Like...WTF?
Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
This season is different than end of season. I want Judge getting a third year.
Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
This season is different than end of season. I want Judge getting a third year.
I don't see JJ getting the axe. I think the most likely scenario is DG getting fired or 'retiring'-whatever-& a new GM. I just pray to God it is someone outside this organization whose thinking aligns with Judge. If it is Abrams...Good God.
Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
Lets burn it down at the end of the season and start over. Then at least everyone will feel better. Then in 2 years they can do it again when that regime does not deliver instant results. Through his first 21 games in New England, BB was 7-14 and the fans were not happy; especially with some 6th round QB now their starter. I’m not saying JJ will become BB, but when he was hired, he acknowledged this would not be a quick fix. Apparently 21 games in is all it takes for all the geniuses to determine its a failure and time to blow it up yet again. Imagine if Robert Kraft had done the same. Afterall, it was clear that BB was nothing without BP. I hate the way this season has gone thus far and expected much more, BUT, I also resigned myself 2 years ago to be prepared for bad football while this mess gets cleaned up. And here we are.
The "we knew it wouldn't be a quick fix" doesn't hold water with a very large free agent spending spree and spending to the absolute limit of the salary cap.
Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
The hell? Lol.
I was responding to the plea for patience, evoking Belichick’s second year as evidence to hold out hope, referenced above.
Bernie is resorting to a logical fallacy which is too common
Pick out an isolated example where the team/individual was in a similar position to where the Giants are now and went on to success. Apply the pattern to the Giants today.
Simply: NO.
RE: Bernie is resorting to a logical fallacy which is too common
Pick out an isolated example where the team/individual was in a similar position to where the Giants are now and went on to success. Apply the pattern to the Giants today.
Simply: NO.
I agree with you. But, in regards to Judge specifically I think it applies in his role as head coach. I’d really like him to work with a revamped front office.
they are awful. I'm working today. Sunday when the Giants play has been what i've built my week around for as long as i can remember. Haven't missed a game. I'll probably try and tune in on my phone but its going to be the same crap, different week. And yet, the owner and a small portion of the fan base will be okay with maintaining the status quo next year
RE: Bernie is resorting to a logical fallacy which is too common
Pick out an isolated example where the team/individual was in a similar position to where the Giants are now and went on to success. Apply the pattern to the Giants today.
Simply: NO.
Cosmic, the point I am making is that tearing it down every 2 years has not worked. At some point the team needs to ride it out (and generally speaking that is 4 years as the heart of most teams are 3rd & 4th yr players). I am well aware of what BB did in yr 2 and of course this is a mute point if the Giants were to win the SB this year. However, my opinion is that JJ is a much better coach than Shurmur or McAdoo ever could be and to give up on him after just 2 years would be a mistake.
Roster development and talent evaluation/acquisition is an entirely different story. Given the time standard I highlighted above, Gettleman has been given enough time. The issue is I don't think you can saddle a new GM with a coach. As such, using this logic, I am not sure the Giants will move on Gettleman if they intend to keep JJ.
More often, head coaches are influencing GM hires, not the other way around. What harm is it to interview multiple GM candidates and hire the best person for the job? If Judge doesn’t work out, then that GM will have influence on who the next coach is.
More often, head coaches are influencing GM hires, not the other way around. What harm is it to interview multiple GM candidates and hire the best person for the job? If Judge doesn’t work out, then that GM will have influence on who the next coach is.
Not a big deal at all.
Sure, you can do that. Then who is in control? What if JJ does not like the choice? If JJ fails in yr 3 or 4, do both go? IMO, unless the head coach has full say, its cleaner for the GM to choose their coach.
I think Judge has made some lousy decisions in the last few months but also believe he would have a learning curve and can improve. Agree that Judge probably should get a 3rd year and that these 2-year-and-out coaching situations are a problem.
The GM would clearly have a longer leash than Judge. The GM’s job is to supplement the head coach. That can be done while making smart, cost effective decisions. I fully expect the next GM to be young and hired with the plan to be here 10+ years. Similar to Jerry Reese who was hired to be GM at 43 years old.
The high priced guys on that side of the ball need to step it up. We’re too banged up to win this one barring a lot of luck, but I do think if NYG is at its best we can compete with anyone. I can hear the bitching now: no moral victories, buts that’s BS. The young core on this team seeing we are in striking distance is not a bad outcome on the season.
Is by design, the Patriots way to have an extended pre-season. If so this is clearly on Judge. either it’s BS the extended pre-season or they start winning now. Guy has shown nothing to warrant any additional power or continuing on. What has he done to show he is a competent HC.
The Giants need to replace Gettleman with someone up to the job — a Senior Vice President. Puke, think about that. Rabbit Foot Dave is supposed to be a Senior VP in a business.
Judge needs to be evaluated this offseason by an objective party, and either retained or replaced.
What are you talking about?
At 21 games, BB was 7–14 in NE in 2000-2001.
If the defense plays uninspired football and let’s teams rip right through them i will be disappointed and stop watching. No need.
i am going to hope that the offense finds rythym and graham goes back to play calls from last year instead of this conservative soft shell.
also want to see jones continue to play decent and make progress.
The '00 Patriots sucked, but those late '90s Patriots rosters were WAY more stacked than the team JJ inherited. I think the Pats win a title one of those seasons if Parcells doesn't leave NE for the Jets.
It’s ok to admit the team and organization has hit tough times.
It’s ok to admit the team and organization has hit tough times.
I'm dumbfounded by posters who think things are fine. Like...WTF?
This season is different than end of season. I want Judge getting a third year.
What beer/cocktail/beverage you on? 15? 20?
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Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
This season is different than end of season. I want Judge getting a third year.
I don't see JJ getting the axe. I think the most likely scenario is DG getting fired or 'retiring'-whatever-& a new GM. I just pray to God it is someone outside this organization whose thinking aligns with Judge. If it is Abrams...Good God.
The hell? Lol.
The "we knew it wouldn't be a quick fix" doesn't hold water with a very large free agent spending spree and spending to the absolute limit of the salary cap.
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Joe Judge isn’t getting fired this season. And if the Giants win the Super Bowl as Little Bill did in year two, something tells me no one will want him to be.
The hell? Lol.
I was responding to the plea for patience, evoking Belichick’s second year as evidence to hold out hope, referenced above.
Simply: NO.
Simply: NO.
I agree with you. But, in regards to Judge specifically I think it applies in his role as head coach. I’d really like him to work with a revamped front office.
Simply: NO.
Cosmic, the point I am making is that tearing it down every 2 years has not worked. At some point the team needs to ride it out (and generally speaking that is 4 years as the heart of most teams are 3rd & 4th yr players). I am well aware of what BB did in yr 2 and of course this is a mute point if the Giants were to win the SB this year. However, my opinion is that JJ is a much better coach than Shurmur or McAdoo ever could be and to give up on him after just 2 years would be a mistake.
Roster development and talent evaluation/acquisition is an entirely different story. Given the time standard I highlighted above, Gettleman has been given enough time. The issue is I don't think you can saddle a new GM with a coach. As such, using this logic, I am not sure the Giants will move on Gettleman if they intend to keep JJ.
Not a big deal at all.
Not a big deal at all.
Sure, you can do that. Then who is in control? What if JJ does not like the choice? If JJ fails in yr 3 or 4, do both go? IMO, unless the head coach has full say, its cleaner for the GM to choose their coach.
Be well.
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Will win tomorrow.
What beer/cocktail/beverage you on? 15? 20?
The Giants need to replace Gettleman with someone up to the job — a Senior Vice President. Puke, think about that. Rabbit Foot Dave is supposed to be a Senior VP in a business.
Judge needs to be evaluated this offseason by an objective party, and either retained or replaced.