Wow, knew our defense was bad. Looked up everyones grade. Peppers and Love are the best safties on the team. Ryan and Mckinney should be benched. Jackson and Bradberry are league avg.
OH man...this 33.5 grade for the "captain" of the defense. Surely we can trade engram for a passable nfl player. Bobby Skinner pointed out that Crowder was reading the rb not the guards on outside run plays. Something pop warner players know about...
And yes, for some reason, McKinney is not playing anywhere near what he was expected to be. Something is amiss with either the coaching or the play calling.
Safeties that played so well last year are just not getting it done this season. Since it seems the entire set of DBs has regressed, it isn't likely the players have forgotten how to play. One or two being off, maybe is regression. The entire unit leads me to believe it is coaching.
Hit the nail on the head. I know they want someone to strip the ball, but that is after the runner is wrapped up...Tae forgot the wrapped up part!
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.
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is one of my favorite things to do this season. I really don't think I've seen him wrap up a ball carrier all year.
Hit the nail on the head. I know they want someone to strip the ball, but that is after the runner is wrapped up...Tae forgot the wrapped up part!
He's a dayshift exotic dancer: always stripping, but not particularly good at it and let's be honest, no one wants to see that shit...
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.
Rick, that can be said about most of the position groups on the Giants.
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Just an indictment of how bad our LB group is that he is now the captain of the defense.
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.
Rick, that can be said about most of the position groups on the Giants.
Yeah, but LB sums up the frustrations of the fan base going back to Reese. Crowder is a special teams player starting, while Ragland is a last-legs veteran backup. If you are going to play 3-4, you need to draft the right players for that role, and it doesn't appear that the Giants know how to identify that talent.
It is a generic thing to say? Watch wherr guys are running to. They are taking on holes that they shouldn't be. They are using the wrong leverage when they get to the blocker. It is embarrassing and it is happening.
McKinney a very high second round pick needs to be someone that stands out. Lawrence needs to stand out. Olijari will need to stand out. Have to get impact from your higher picks.
But it continues to amaze and annoy me how this team continues to treat the linebacker position as an after thought
The championship Giants teams had great linebacking It just makes sense to me that if this position continues to be a patch work unit, the Giants defense will continue to be bottom dwelling or average at best.
Crowder may have been the last guy drafted but some fundamentals have to be covered by the coaches with him before you can continually let him get this many snaps.
As for Ximines, have no idea why he is even on this team. Somewhat scary he can make an NFL roster.
He does not tackle, he constantly tries to strip the ball rather than tackle, he takes terrible angles toward the play so that his contact is 10 yards downfield, his coverage is below average as he runs himself out of throwing lanes, etc.
What concerns me is why is he in there.
It is obvious that he is over his head it is not fair to Crowder to have him in
He has some ability but he should be a situational LB
The defense is designed to free up the LBs to make a play, that is why Martinez gets 140 tackles. It is no wonder that the Giants cannot stop the run.
He does not tackle, he constantly tries to strip the ball rather than tackle, he takes terrible angles toward the play so that his contact is 10 yards downfield, his coverage is below average as he runs himself out of throwing lanes, etc.
What concerns me is why is he in there.
It is obvious that he is over his head it is not fair to Crowder to have him in
He has some ability but he should be a situational LB
The defense is designed to free up the LBs to make a play, that is why Martinez gets 140 tackles. It is no wonder that the Giants cannot stop the run.
But who do you put there? That's the problem. Coughlin had some great moments in the preseason but he is so green to the position that we will see a lot of similar issues we see with Crowder. Would Peppers be able to play there?
I did not know he was on the team being completely honest.
One day ... when the Giants finally get out of this never-fucking-ending, hard, hellhole era of football I cannot wait to look back and laugh at some of these names from '13-present and just laugh at how terrible they all were.
It's like 97-04 New York Rangers kind of bad.
(Not that McKinney has been great tackling this year)
There is depth at safety with Love, Ryan , Peppers, and McKinney
I think that Peppers is the best option as he is the best tackler of the group and he is an effective blitzer
It looks worse in the scheme we have, since the outside linebackers in the 3-4 have to be counted on to set the edge/bring pressure/sack the quarterback and the outside guys are pretty bad this year.
Plus the edges we signed in the offseason (Odenigbo, Anderson) we wound up cutting anyway.
Apparently you have inside intel so please tell us about the discussions Judge has had with the front office about personnel. Since it’s all Judges fault, I’d be curious as to how those talks went down. Gettleman was pushing for player upgrades and Judge refused and told him everything is good? Please post your interactions with the team and how this all played out. I’m curious to know. Thanks in advance.
Yup.
Barkley - we've talked enough about him
Hernandez - bust below average player
Carter - all talk no production JAG
Jones - see Barkley
Lawrence - all talk no production JAG. Does nothing to impact the game ever.
Baker - spent 3 picks on him. This is how you become a bottom 5 team.
Ximines - bust below average player
Thomas - before he got hurt was the best player on the team this year.
McKinney - still early but so far bust below average player.
Peart - Incomplete. Could still workout. Played better than expected last week.
There is not one player drafted after the 1st round that's been a "steal" or impact player in any of those drafts. Slayton had a good rookie year and then regressed and when everyone is healthy he shouldn't even be on the field at this point. He's not better than Galloway, Sheppard, Ross or Toney.
You and I know that, but second corner was always the priority for the Giants in FA - they offered Jason McCourty first before Adoree Jackson.
If they don't screw up the Baker pick, then they don't need Jackson and can sign linebackers, edges, etc. ALL due to poor drafting and roster construction.
Barkley - we've talked enough about him
Hernandez - bust below average player
Carter - all talk no production JAG
Jones - see Barkley
Lawrence - all talk no production JAG. Does nothing to impact the game ever.
Baker - spent 3 picks on him. This is how you become a bottom 5 team.
Ximines - bust below average player
Thomas - before he got hurt was the best player on the team this year.
McKinney - still early but so far bust below average player.
Peart - Incomplete. Could still workout. Played better than expected last week.
There is not one player drafted after the 1st round that's been a "steal" or impact player in any of those drafts. Slayton had a good rookie year and then regressed and when everyone is healthy he shouldn't even be on the field at this point. He's not better than Galloway, Sheppard, Ross or Toney.
They definitely need to do better after round 1. McKinney looked like he was off to a good start when he finally saw the field last year but he hasn’t flashed this year. Carter and Ximines haven’t turned the corner. Baker pick really hurt the Giants, if they had the other corner position locked down they wouldn’t have had to chase Adoree. Disagree on Dexter, he’s a good football player, just about everyone on defense is playing at a lower level this year which is just odd.
I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up.
You are incredibly dense or ignorant.
He (and many other Giant players) are not even that.
He'd have to improve drastically to make it to JAG status.
You are incredibly dense or ignorant.
It's okay. It's clear your son got a stinky grade on their report card. Maybe he'll have to improve a bit instead of you getting defensive?
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He was literally the last pick in the draft. Your expectations aren’t based in reality. He was never expected to be a starter.
You are incredibly dense or ignorant.
It's okay. It's clear your son got a stinky grade on their report card. Maybe he'll have to improve a bit instead of you getting defensive?
Example of somebody dense, ignorant and a part of the problem, not the solution.
Who is they? How do know this or is this your guess what happened?
It's not a secret that the Giants HC's have access to the owners without the GM and have draft and FA influence. John Mara has said so publicly. Why should we assume that Jackson was a Judge choice after the amount of picks and resources the Giants have used on DBs even before he got there?
McKinney a very high second round pick needs to be someone that stands out. Lawrence needs to stand out. Olijari will need to stand out. Have to get impact from your higher picks.
I'd say they lucked out there. Jamin Davis can't crack the WFT lineup and has been awful when he's been on the field. There was a play last week where he just ran away from the ball, not even biting a fake or motion, and Kamara gashed them for a TD
I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up.
If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong safety... if he gets better.
Hell, doesn't JAG stand for Just an Average Giant?
I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up. ////
If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong afety... if he gets better.
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In comment 15415268 His scouting report indicated he was better close to the LOS. I wondered right away after the pick whether there was a position conflict with Peppers.
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If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong safety... if he gets better.
you're kidding, right, Angel Eyes? He shies away from hits as often as not (last week a good example), doesn't have the body to be an in the box S, takes awful angles
I said "could". I don't know what the Giants intend to do about Peppers, but if they intend on letting him walk after this year, that might be what they decide to do if he doesn't get better at free safety.
So far he's only played on special teams.
I had such high hopes for Xavier. A cousin of mine who writes for Athlon Sports & knows college football better than 99.9% of us do thought he was a steal where we got him. And he looked good last season when he played. I'm not writing him off obviously, but he's been a disappointment thus far this season. Then again, so has the entire D. To me, it comes back to the scheme/coaching. A lot of these guys are way too talented to be playing so badly.
I will give you that one. I am not a part of the solution.
The few occasional plays I’ve noticed him, he’s disinterested In tackling.
If it’s because of the new scheme, the ‘losing life’ as a culture shock, or a business decision, they may need to address that to, as JJ has stated, find out what players do best and play to that strength.