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Tae Crowder 33.5 grade

broadbandz : 10/16/2021 3:02 am
Wow, knew our defense was bad. Looked up everyones grade. Peppers and Love are the best safties on the team. Ryan and Mckinney should be benched. Jackson and Bradberry are league avg.

OH man...this 33.5 grade for the "captain" of the defense. Surely we can trade engram for a passable nfl player. Bobby Skinner pointed out that Crowder was reading the rb not the guards on outside run plays. Something pop warner players know about...
I have mentioned this in previous posts  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2021 4:28 am : link
Our whole defense doesn't know their run fits. It's embarrassing and disturbing. We have a dumb ass defense.
Another concern is our safeties.  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2021 4:30 am : link
Name one safety on our roster that is a deep safety. You can't. They'll all better at in the box guys. Okay, let's go with that. If they are all better as in the box guys then how come they aren't making plays in the box? Seriously, what are we getting out of our safeties this year?
They're  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2021 4:31 am : link
Not they'll
Crowder has been awful.  
section125 : 10/16/2021 5:39 am : link
On top of not reading the play quick enough(Sy also pointed this out) he is not making tackles. Shows just how good Martinez has been covering up Crowder's failings.
And yes, for some reason, McKinney is not playing anywhere near what he was expected to be. Something is amiss with either the coaching or the play calling.

Safeties that played so well last year are just not getting it done this season. Since it seems the entire set of DBs has regressed, it isn't likely the players have forgotten how to play. One or two being off, maybe is regression. The entire unit leads me to believe it is coaching.
What will Crowder's grade be this week?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/16/2021 5:50 am : link


Yeah, but he's fast.  
Gman11 : 10/16/2021 6:33 am : link
He can miss a tackle in a split second.
Watching Crowder go for the strip 10 yards downfield  
j_rud : 10/16/2021 6:40 am : link
is one of my favorite things to do this season. I really don't think I've seen him wrap up a ball carrier all year.
RE: Watching Crowder go for the strip 10 yards downfield  
section125 : 10/16/2021 6:44 am : link
In comment 15415127 j_rud said:
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is one of my favorite things to do this season. I really don't think I've seen him wrap up a ball carrier all year.


Hit the nail on the head. I know they want someone to strip the ball, but that is after the runner is wrapped up...Tae forgot the wrapped up part!
Honestly, what did you guys expect of Mr. Irrelevant  
Rick in Dallas : 10/16/2021 6:48 am : link
Just an indictment of how bad our LB group is that he is now the captain of the defense.
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.
RE: RE: Watching Crowder go for the strip 10 yards downfield  
j_rud : 10/16/2021 7:44 am : link
In comment 15415128 section125 said:
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In comment 15415127 j_rud said:


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is one of my favorite things to do this season. I really don't think I've seen him wrap up a ball carrier all year.



Hit the nail on the head. I know they want someone to strip the ball, but that is after the runner is wrapped up...Tae forgot the wrapped up part!


He's a dayshift exotic dancer: always stripping, but not particularly good at it and let's be honest, no one wants to see that shit...
They need  
cokeduplt : 10/16/2021 7:49 am : link
To give Carter Coughlin a chance
RE: Honestly, what did you guys expect of Mr. Irrelevant  
section125 : 10/16/2021 7:49 am : link
In comment 15415129 Rick in Dallas said:
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Just an indictment of how bad our LB group is that he is now the captain of the defense.
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.


Rick, that can be said about most of the position groups on the Giants.
They know their run fits  
Tuckrule : 10/16/2021 7:50 am : link
That’s such a generic thing to say. They just simply don’t have the talent to make plays. Edges can’t get off blocks and linebackers can’t wrap up. It has nothing to do with the basics of gap responsibility. It’s a talent issue
RE: RE: Honestly, what did you guys expect of Mr. Irrelevant  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/16/2021 7:57 am : link
In comment 15415135 section125 said:
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In comment 15415129 Rick in Dallas said:


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Just an indictment of how bad our LB group is that he is now the captain of the defense.
When the hell are the Giants going to get serious about improving this group?
Ojulari may be the start but Carter and Ximines are total draft busts.
Time to see what Coughlin and Brown offer to the group.



Rick, that can be said about most of the position groups on the Giants.


Yeah, but LB sums up the frustrations of the fan base going back to Reese. Crowder is a special teams player starting, while Ragland is a last-legs veteran backup. If you are going to play 3-4, you need to draft the right players for that role, and it doesn't appear that the Giants know how to identify that talent.
wow....  
DannyDimes : 10/16/2021 7:57 am : link
Trading Engram is going to bring back a starting linebacker? Are you on drugs? Why do you clowns think anyone would give anything for the guy even simple-minded football fans know sucks??
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/16/2021 7:58 am : link
He's a JAG on a team full of 'em.
RE: They know their run fits  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2021 7:58 am : link
In comment 15415136 Tuckrule said:
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That’s such a generic thing to say. They just simply don’t have the talent to make plays. Edges can’t get off blocks and linebackers can’t wrap up. It has nothing to do with the basics of gap responsibility. It’s a talent issue


It is a generic thing to say? Watch wherr guys are running to. They are taking on holes that they shouldn't be. They are using the wrong leverage when they get to the blocker. It is embarrassing and it is happening.
Giants seemed to be aware of the LB issues  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/16/2021 8:01 am : link
They wanted Jamin Davis who got picked by WFT. They just need more talent overall and until the drafts start yielding better results year after year it won't get much better.

McKinney a very high second round pick needs to be someone that stands out. Lawrence needs to stand out. Olijari will need to stand out. Have to get impact from your higher picks.
I don’t have the expertise  
joeinpa : 10/16/2021 8:01 am : link
To quantify with absolute certainty any opinions regarding how this team has been put together

But it continues to amaze and annoy me how this team continues to treat the linebacker position as an after thought

The championship Giants teams had great linebacking It just makes sense to me that if this position continues to be a patch work unit, the Giants defense will continue to be bottom dwelling or average at best.
The guy was a steal and is a great player  
BillT : 10/16/2021 8:11 am : link
For a Mr. Irrelevant. That is all.
Just for kicks, I’d like to see them start Trent Harris and Niko Lalos  
Spider56 : 10/16/2021 8:12 am : link
on the outside with Coughlin and Ragland in the middle. Bring in Azeez and Roche for the pass rush. It’s time to sit both Carter and the Xman.
Watching Crowder continually try to push Zeke Elliott or  
NYGgolfer : 10/16/2021 8:20 am : link
other running backs out of bounds instead of tackling them was weak. Same goes for the stripping concept when nobody else has the guy wrapped up first.

Crowder may have been the last guy drafted but some fundamentals have to be covered by the coaches with him before you can continually let him get this many snaps.

As for Ximines, have no idea why he is even on this team. Somewhat scary he can make an NFL roster.
Crowder is one  
TommyWiseau : 10/16/2021 8:30 am : link
Of the worst LBs i have ever seen
Young player thrown into the most important role  
mako J : 10/16/2021 8:46 am : link
On defense and had a bad game against a top 3 league offense… yeah bash away bbi. No chance he’ll show growth and improvement like he did at his intended position.
Maybe they’ll trade Engram  
mako J : 10/16/2021 8:57 am : link
For our hero Ryan Connelly rabble rabble rabble
Crowder  
Archer : 10/16/2021 9:00 am : link
Crowder is so bad you do not need his grade to confirm what you see on the field

He does not tackle, he constantly tries to strip the ball rather than tackle, he takes terrible angles toward the play so that his contact is 10 yards downfield, his coverage is below average as he runs himself out of throwing lanes, etc.

What concerns me is why is he in there.

It is obvious that he is over his head it is not fair to Crowder to have him in

He has some ability but he should be a situational LB

The defense is designed to free up the LBs to make a play, that is why Martinez gets 140 tackles. It is no wonder that the Giants cannot stop the run.

RE: Crowder  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2021 9:03 am : link
In comment 15415167 Archer said:
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Crowder is so bad you do not need his grade to confirm what you see on the field

He does not tackle, he constantly tries to strip the ball rather than tackle, he takes terrible angles toward the play so that his contact is 10 yards downfield, his coverage is below average as he runs himself out of throwing lanes, etc.

What concerns me is why is he in there.

It is obvious that he is over his head it is not fair to Crowder to have him in

He has some ability but he should be a situational LB

The defense is designed to free up the LBs to make a play, that is why Martinez gets 140 tackles. It is no wonder that the Giants cannot stop the run.


But who do you put there? That's the problem. Coughlin had some great moments in the preseason but he is so green to the position that we will see a lot of similar issues we see with Crowder. Would Peppers be able to play there?
RE: Watching Crowder continually try to push Zeke Elliott or  
Route 9 : 10/16/2021 9:06 am : link
In comment 15415158 NYGgolfer said:
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As for Ximines, have no idea why he is even on this team. Somewhat scary he can make an NFL roster.


I did not know he was on the team being completely honest.

One day ... when the Giants finally get out of this never-fucking-ending, hard, hellhole era of football I cannot wait to look back and laugh at some of these names from '13-present and just laugh at how terrible they all were.

It's like 97-04 New York Rangers kind of bad.
LB has been a big hole for years  
Bruner4329 : 10/16/2021 9:27 am : link
WE may get one decent LB on our roster from time to time like now with Martinez but this organization has failed miserably in bringing in talent to this position. Will say it again. Last good LB we drafted was Jessie Armstead and that says a lot.
McKinney or Peppers  
Archer : 10/16/2021 9:31 am : link
Put McKinney or Peppers at LB
(Not that McKinney has been great tackling this year)

There is depth at safety with Love, Ryan , Peppers, and McKinney

I think that Peppers is the best option as he is the best tackler of the group and he is an effective blitzer
7th round pick.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2021 9:51 am : link
The larger problem is that according to the Giants he deserved to be a starting LB for their roster and the only competition they brought in was Reggie Ragland.
RE: LB has been a big hole for years  
Angel Eyes : 10/16/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15415184 Bruner4329 said:
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WE may get one decent LB on our roster from time to time like now with Martinez but this organization has failed miserably in bringing in talent to this position. Will say it again. Last good LB we drafted was Jessie Armstead and that says a lot.

It looks worse in the scheme we have, since the outside linebackers in the 3-4 have to be counted on to set the edge/bring pressure/sack the quarterback and the outside guys are pretty bad this year.
Problem is the coach evaluating his needs  
Giants73 : 10/16/2021 10:21 am : link
He came into this season thinking the defense was good outside secondary and was good with 5 down linemen. Anything where he can pack his special teams with these players. Crowder is like Ebner, a player the coach has a fixation on and ignores his deficiencies. Another reason Judge must go, just because BB can run a defense without edge’s and just pack the secondary doesn’t mean Judge can do it. Melvin Ingram was a bigger need than Adoree, yet they let Ryan talk Judge into Adoree.
RE: Problem is the coach evaluating his needs  
Angel Eyes : 10/16/2021 10:25 am : link
In comment 15415219 Giants73 said:
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He came into this season thinking the defense was good outside secondary and was good with 5 down linemen. Anything where he can pack his special teams with these players. Crowder is like Ebner, a player the coach has a fixation on and ignores his deficiencies. Another reason Judge must go, just because BB can run a defense without edge’s and just pack the secondary doesn’t mean Judge can do it. Melvin Ingram was a bigger need than Adoree, yet they let Ryan talk Judge into Adoree.

Plus the edges we signed in the offseason (Odenigbo, Anderson) we wound up cutting anyway.
RE: Problem is the coach evaluating his needs  
BigBlueShock : 10/16/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15415219 Giants73 said:
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He came into this season thinking the defense was good outside secondary and was good with 5 down linemen. Anything where he can pack his special teams with these players. Crowder is like Ebner, a player the coach has a fixation on and ignores his deficiencies. Another reason Judge must go, just because BB can run a defense without edge’s and just pack the secondary doesn’t mean Judge can do it. Melvin Ingram was a bigger need than Adoree, yet they let Ryan talk Judge into Adoree.

Apparently you have inside intel so please tell us about the discussions Judge has had with the front office about personnel. Since it’s all Judges fault, I’d be curious as to how those talks went down. Gettleman was pushing for player upgrades and Judge refused and told him everything is good? Please post your interactions with the team and how this all played out. I’m curious to know. Thanks in advance.
RE: ...  
AcidTest : 10/16/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15415140 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He's a JAG on a team full of 'em.


Yup.
Lines of scrimmage nailed it  
arniefez : 10/16/2021 10:31 am : link
look at the 3 Gettleman drafts in the first three rounds it's sickening. I call them the Gettleman drafts only because he is the guy who take s all the heat. But the Mara family is a huge part of who gets picked and the coaches have had some input too. So it's on all of them.

Barkley - we've talked enough about him
Hernandez - bust below average player
Carter - all talk no production JAG

Jones - see Barkley
Lawrence - all talk no production JAG. Does nothing to impact the game ever.
Baker - spent 3 picks on him. This is how you become a bottom 5 team.
Ximines - bust below average player

Thomas - before he got hurt was the best player on the team this year.
McKinney - still early but so far bust below average player.
Peart - Incomplete. Could still workout. Played better than expected last week.

There is not one player drafted after the 1st round that's been a "steal" or impact player in any of those drafts. Slayton had a good rookie year and then regressed and when everyone is healthy he shouldn't even be on the field at this point. He's not better than Galloway, Sheppard, Ross or Toney.

McKinney is a huge disappointment for me  
The_Boss : 10/16/2021 10:33 am : link
Figured a DB from Alabama would be solid player for this defense. But boy does he suck right now. Dave’s resume gets worse by the week. It’s not just the overall record here but it’s the shitty fucking players he drafts year after year.
RE: Problem is the coach evaluating his needs  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/16/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15415219 Giants73 said:
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He came into this season thinking the defense was good outside secondary and was good with 5 down linemen. Anything where he can pack his special teams with these players. Crowder is like Ebner, a player the coach has a fixation on and ignores his deficiencies. Another reason Judge must go, just because BB can run a defense without edge’s and just pack the secondary doesn’t mean Judge can do it. Melvin Ingram was a bigger need than Adoree, yet they let Ryan talk Judge into Adoree.


You and I know that, but second corner was always the priority for the Giants in FA - they offered Jason McCourty first before Adoree Jackson.

If they don't screw up the Baker pick, then they don't need Jackson and can sign linebackers, edges, etc. ALL due to poor drafting and roster construction.
Defense needs more Cowbell  
ghost718 : 10/16/2021 11:08 am : link
along with Georgia linebackers
RE: Lines of scrimmage nailed it  
BSIMatt : 10/16/2021 11:17 am : link
In comment 15415229 arniefez said:
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look at the 3 Gettleman drafts in the first three rounds it's sickening. I call them the Gettleman drafts only because he is the guy who take s all the heat. But the Mara family is a huge part of who gets picked and the coaches have had some input too. So it's on all of them.

Barkley - we've talked enough about him
Hernandez - bust below average player
Carter - all talk no production JAG

Jones - see Barkley
Lawrence - all talk no production JAG. Does nothing to impact the game ever.
Baker - spent 3 picks on him. This is how you become a bottom 5 team.
Ximines - bust below average player

Thomas - before he got hurt was the best player on the team this year.
McKinney - still early but so far bust below average player.
Peart - Incomplete. Could still workout. Played better than expected last week.

There is not one player drafted after the 1st round that's been a "steal" or impact player in any of those drafts. Slayton had a good rookie year and then regressed and when everyone is healthy he shouldn't even be on the field at this point. He's not better than Galloway, Sheppard, Ross or Toney.


They definitely need to do better after round 1. McKinney looked like he was off to a good start when he finally saw the field last year but he hasn’t flashed this year. Carter and Ximines haven’t turned the corner. Baker pick really hurt the Giants, if they had the other corner position locked down they wouldn’t have had to chase Adoree. Disagree on Dexter, he’s a good football player, just about everyone on defense is playing at a lower level this year which is just odd.
I’m worried McKinney isn’t an FS  
cosmicj : 10/16/2021 12:02 pm : link
His scouting report indicated he was better close to the LOS. I wondered right away after the pick whether there was a position conflict with Peppers.

I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up.
What’s the obsession with Crowder bashing?  
Bergen346 : 10/16/2021 12:08 pm : link
He was literally the last pick in the draft. Your expectations aren’t based in reality. He was never expected to be a starter.

You are incredibly dense or ignorant.
RE: ...  
Route 9 : 10/16/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15415140 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He's a JAG on a team full of 'em.


He (and many other Giant players) are not even that.

He'd have to improve drastically to make it to JAG status.
RE: What’s the obsession with Crowder bashing?  
Route 9 : 10/16/2021 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15415272 Bergen346 said:
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He was literally the last pick in the draft. Your expectations aren’t based in reality. He was never expected to be a starter.

You are incredibly dense or ignorant.


It's okay. It's clear your son got a stinky grade on their report card. Maybe he'll have to improve a bit instead of you getting defensive?
RE: They need  
weaverpsu : 10/16/2021 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15415134 cokeduplt said:
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To give Carter Coughlin a chance



This
RE: RE: What’s the obsession with Crowder bashing?  
mako J : 10/16/2021 1:48 pm : link
In comment 15415278 Route 9 said:
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In comment 15415272 Bergen346 said:


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He was literally the last pick in the draft. Your expectations aren’t based in reality. He was never expected to be a starter.

You are incredibly dense or ignorant.



It's okay. It's clear your son got a stinky grade on their report card. Maybe he'll have to improve a bit instead of you getting defensive?


Example of somebody dense, ignorant and a part of the problem, not the solution.
Melvin Ingram was a bigger need than Adoree, yet they let Ryan  
arniefez : 10/16/2021 1:57 pm : link
talk Judge into Adoree.

Who is they? How do know this or is this your guess what happened?

It's not a secret that the Giants HC's have access to the owners without the GM and have draft and FA influence. John Mara has said so publicly. Why should we assume that Jackson was a Judge choice after the amount of picks and resources the Giants have used on DBs even before he got there?
RE: Giants seemed to be aware of the LB issues  
Breeze_94 : 10/16/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15415144 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They wanted Jamin Davis who got picked by WFT. They just need more talent overall and until the drafts start yielding better results year after year it won't get much better.

McKinney a very high second round pick needs to be someone that stands out. Lawrence needs to stand out. Olijari will need to stand out. Have to get impact from your higher picks.


I'd say they lucked out there. Jamin Davis can't crack the WFT lineup and has been awful when he's been on the field. There was a play last week where he just ran away from the ball, not even biting a fake or motion, and Kamara gashed them for a TD
RE: I’m worried McKinney isn’t an FS  
Angel Eyes : 10/16/2021 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15415268 cosmicj said:
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His scouting report indicated he was better close to the LOS. I wondered right away after the pick whether there was a position conflict with Peppers.

I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up.

If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong safety... if he gets better.
RE: ...  
santacruzom : 10/16/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15415140 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He's a JAG on a team full of 'em.


Hell, doesn't JAG stand for Just an Average Giant?
RE: RE: I’m worried McKinney isn’t an FS  
ColHowPepper : 10/16/2021 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15415396 Angel Eyes said:
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In comment 15415268 His scouting report indicated he was better close to the LOS. I wondered right away after the pick whether there was a position conflict with Peppers.

I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up. ////

If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong afety... if he gets better.
you're kidding, right, Angel Eyes? He shies away from hits as often as not (last week a good example), doesn't have the body to be an in the box S, takes awful angles
RE: RE: RE: I’m worried McKinney isn’t an FS  
Angel Eyes : 10/16/2021 6:12 pm : link
In comment 15415441 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15415396 Angel Eyes said:


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In comment 15415268 His scouting report indicated he was better close to the LOS. I wondered right away after the pick whether there was a position conflict with Peppers.

I hope the coaches aren’t screwing this up. ////

If the Giants decide to let Peppers walk, McKinney could step up as the strong safety... if he gets better.

you're kidding, right, Angel Eyes? He shies away from hits as often as not (last week a good example), doesn't have the body to be an in the box S, takes awful angles

I said "could". I don't know what the Giants intend to do about Peppers, but if they intend on letting him walk after this year, that might be what they decide to do if he doesn't get better at free safety.
Ryan Connelly  
Chocco : 10/16/2021 7:55 pm : link
Anyone know how he's doing in Minnesota?
RE: Ryan Connelly  
Angel Eyes : 10/16/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15415527 Chocco said:
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Anyone know how he's doing in Minnesota?

So far he's only played on special teams.
Tae Crowder was the last pick  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/16/2021 7:58 pm : link
In the draft !! If the Giants are counting on him it’s on the Giants !
RE: McKinney is a huge disappointment for me  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/16/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15415231 The_Boss said:
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Figured a DB from Alabama would be solid player for this defense. But boy does he suck right now. Dave’s resume gets worse by the week. It’s not just the overall record here but it’s the shitty fucking players he drafts year after year.


I had such high hopes for Xavier. A cousin of mine who writes for Athlon Sports & knows college football better than 99.9% of us do thought he was a steal where we got him. And he looked good last season when he played. I'm not writing him off obviously, but he's been a disappointment thus far this season. Then again, so has the entire D. To me, it comes back to the scheme/coaching. A lot of these guys are way too talented to be playing so badly.
RE: RE: RE: What’s the obsession with Crowder bashing?  
Route 9 : 10/16/2021 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15415336 mako J said:
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Example of somebody dense, ignorant and a part of the problem, not the solution.


I will give you that one. I am not a part of the solution.
Maybe McKinney  
Joe Beckwith : 10/16/2021 11:18 pm : link
is a victim of this CantCover2 that Graham, or somebody, thinks , should be our D.
The few occasional plays I’ve noticed him, he’s disinterested In tackling.
If it’s because of the new scheme, the ‘losing life’ as a culture shock, or a business decision, they may need to address that to, as JJ has stated, find out what players do best and play to that strength.
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