I’ve been getting sucked into the deluge of negativity that is this year’s NY Giants, and while I think the negative posts and viewpoints are absolutely warranted, I’m getting tired of being negative myself. So, I’m trying to start a discussion that hopefully generates some thought, or at least keeps the pessimism at bay for a thread.
It feels like the Giants have long been without a consistent run game that hammers opponents for 4 quarters. Maybe this is the way the league is headed, maybe the Giants have just been poorly constructed to run the ball. Supposing that the run game is still important, how can we continue to fix this? What pieces do the Giants still need to acquire, and schematically, what types of concepts should the Giants focus on executing?
I think the only real solid piece to the run game so far is AT. What would you do, if you were GM, to begin to fix this component of the offense?
Run and pass should be complimentary.....balanced if you will.
Alright. But, there still exists teams with a complimentary run game that is effective and conducive to winning. My question is how do the Giants get to that level?
For some reason, it doesn't look like they prioritize running behind him. With the new rules making it easier to run outside, and Barkley, you'd think they'd be able to get something going outside. They could also use a FB more, and use a Dexter Lawrence at the goalline like they did last year. All that creative fun stuff is gone.
One thing technique-wise you see DAL do - their entire OL moves 1/2 step before the snap, giving them a tremendous head start on run plays. It looks like a team false start on every play. The Giants do not have coordinated movement like that. They did in the 08 hey day. They were machine-like.
This isn't about skill level either - it's about coaching and preparation. They aren't getting off the ball as a unit, and it's not surprising given all the turnover. The snapcount is a weapon: it's about getting a jump on the DLine. All the great QBs and OLs use it beautifully. If, conversely, the DLine gets the jump on you, forgettaboutit.
Right now, these are the kinds of issues I see plaguing the run game and it's not easily be fixable. The answer is "be better, be more advanced as a group than you are now".
I think OLine being on of the two first round picks we have next season, is nearly a lock. I don’t watch much college ball, though I see Neal from Alabama and Green from Georgia being mocked high. Any intel on these guys? Who better excels at run blocking?
I think the first step is to have a great OL coach who not only can teach but is astute at identifying raw talent that has upside.
The college and lower games are not producing enough lineman that are strong in run blocking. College schemes don't translate as well to the pro game although they offer some concepts so many are not prepared as years past.
I think the key is commitment. Draft volume every year in round 3 and later. Every year. Don't give second contract to pretty good. Have your pipeline and create competition . When your line is good keep drafting more. Use your higher round picks to draft impact players on D as they are harder to develop imo. LT's do most times come in round 1 though.
Allowing a coaching and player development staff more than two abbreviated offseasons to build a system that promotes player development and competition would be a great start.
Well oiled machines take time right?
I rather than go that route than signing the older veterans who most times are beat up and on the downside.
As things settle down I expect the run game will come around I’m encouraged by what Sale and the coaches have done with all the moving parts on the line; it’s held up pretty well.
The Giants primary issue so far this year is lack of pressure on the QB Need to ‘fix’ that to have any chance at salavaging this season. I haven’t given up hope yet, but this has to be addressed quickly.
Hey, kudos on a positive thread. This team is not as bad as it has looked. Let’s play the games before we declare them toast.
I rather than go that route than signing the older veterans who most times are beat up and on the downside.
Absolutely
I get the Gallman love, but there are so many backs that can do what he does. There is a reason he is third string on a poor Atlanta squad.
I do think the Giants need to take a solid back out of college next year, maybe third or fourth round.
As things settle down I expect the run game will come around I’m encouraged by what Sale and the coaches have done with all the moving parts on the line; it’s held up pretty well.
The Giants primary issue so far this year is lack of pressure on the QB Need to ‘fix’ that to have any chance at salavaging this season. I haven’t given up hope yet, but this has to be addressed quickly.
Hey, kudos on a positive thread. This team is not as bad as it has looked. Let’s play the games before we declare them toast.
No problem Gary! I’m not asking people to be positive or effusive with praise, but maybe thinking towards the future will allow us to get out of a pessimistic mindset for a moment.
Like on that goal line against Dallas last week ; when they had to run it 4x to get it in — why do I just get the feeling Gallman would have just punched it in feom 5 yards out and that would be the end of it.
My apologies. I understand what you mean now.
Good afternoon Mr. Snide.
Wish someone would have told Dallas that before they ran for 200+ yards on the Giants.
The OP is pt, that the Giants need to run the ball more effectively is a perfectly legitimate pt
Like on that goal line against Dallas last week ; when they had to run it 4x to get it in — why do I just get the feeling Gallman would have just punched it in feom 5 yards out and that would be the end of it.
LMFAOf. Wayne Gallman. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Do you ever get tired of being a fucking moron?
Wanna fix the passing game? Fix the oline. Putting better receivers out there doesn't do a thing unless they have time to run routes and the qb isn't running for his life.
The defense? Get better edge players who can get to the qb consistently and set the edge to stop the run. Want to stop those passes to the te? Get real linebackers.
Want to fix this terrible team? Draft better players at key positions not the shiny toys