First, I had this team pegged at around 10-7 and possibly Division Champions. I thought it would fall between us and Dallas depending upon breaks, injuries and QB play. I was clearly mistaken.
1. Judge and staff were outcoached the first 3 games. Yes, we could have won any of them with a few more plays but that is the NFL. We lost and that is on the coaches. I have to say I am disappointed in Judge but not YET wanting him and this staff gone.
2. Defense: how could they be this bad? Well, our veterans have not played as well as last year or got hurt and include L. Williams, J. Peppers, B. Martinez, J. Bradbury. We have almost no edge rush which means Carter, Ximines and company have not developed. The secondary play has been well, BAD. I have to say I didn't see this coming as I thought we'd be stingy.
3. OL: injuries hit along with missed time in camp. Losing Gates hurts no matter what anyone says. The fact that Peart hasn't YET developed hurts though his play last Sunday looked serviceable to me. Some small college guys need more time and he did miss some camp. Overall, this OL can not run block worth a lick.
4. WR: Toney has shined the last two weeks but the rest of the group has been unimpressive overall. I do expect improvement and I expect Galloday to be back next week and hitting on all cylinders along with Slayton and Toney. This group will get very, very good. Our TE play has been bad too.
5. Ownership: they just don't seem to have what it takes.
Can this team play .500 ball the rest of the way? That depends upon how good of a job Judge & staff can do to fix the problems and how much the young guys develop, especially Peart who must supplant old man Solder.
7 - 10 is a possibility; 9-8 is best case scenario IF we stay healthy, get healthy and win the close ones.
Finally, I am beyond disappointed that this team came out flat and losing yet again. I have no words.
Rams 24-20 over Giants in a heart-breaker today.
These seasons are over by early October regularly. I’d like to see Judge work with a revamped front office.
These seasons are over by early October regularly. I’d like to see Judge work with a revamped front office.
I didn't like our first 3 games but if he keeps them playing hard and competitive and young guys develop, well, changing systems is hard and Judge has the temperament to be good.
We have two first round picks and we MUST hit on both with quality players.
I think we need OL, TE, RB and ER the most this off-season.
Any years before that has no reference to this team.
Each coach develop the roster with DG help....but its obvious the coaches drive that....all those Arizona players were not DG idea. Going offense in the draft under Shummer was not on DG only.
This is year 2.....and yes, very disappointed by the coaches ....but not ready to give up on them.
Any years before that has no reference to this team..
It’s year two of this staff but it’s year four of the “rebuild “ such as it is. If Jones and Barkley are ok, four years in we have a QB, a RB and a WR corps. That’s it in four years. And two of those units consist of one player each. There are some other good players but there aren’t any other good units. That’s terrible.
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This is year 2 of this staff.
Any years before that has no reference to this team..
It’s year two of this staff but it’s year four of the “rebuild “ such as it is. If Jones and Barkley are ok, four years in we have a QB, a RB and a WR corps. That’s it in four years. And two of those units consist of one player each. There are some other good players but there aren’t any other good units. That’s terrible.
I agree with you, Bill but to me this is a rebuild that is on at least Year 7. The latter Reese and DG years right now have been the exact same cycle.
These seasons are over by early October regularly. I’d like to see Judge work with a revamped front office.
I'm bracing for the 'Well, we finished strong!' BS from Mara. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
If they get to 9-8, Judge should be coach of the year and get a lifetime contract!
We can combine rebuild....but I feel....we tried rebuilding several times over the past decade.
This is year 2 of Judge's rebuild.
If they get to 9-8, Judge should be coach of the year and get a lifetime contract!
I don’t think it’s likely, but there are winnable games. 2x against Philly, home games against WFT & Carolina, Miami & Chicago. There win a few of those games plus probably an unlikely win along the way somewhere. I could easily see 6-11 and constantly going through the same cycle of “arrow pointing up”.
Gettleman/Judge drafts have so far produced Thomas, Toney, 5 premium draft picks next year and a bunch of other guys who are starting or at least contributing already.
There’s also that elephant in the room named Daniel Jones who has significantly improved his play so far this season.
Look, there’s a long way to go. I hope no matter what happens that Gettleman does not continue beyond this season. I don’t think things are ever as good or as bad as they seem.
Gettleman/Judge drafts have so far produced Thomas, Toney, 5 premium draft picks next year and a bunch of other guys who are starting or at least contributing already.
There’s also that elephant in the room named Daniel Jones who has significantly improved his play so far this season.
Look, there’s a long way to go. I hope no matter what happens that Gettleman does not continue beyond this season. I don’t think things are ever as good or as bad as they seem.
Agree 100% as it relates to Judge. Got to be patient.
Yes, the team has many holes…BUT, with a league average rush, my opinion is this is a .500 team. It gives me some hope the season may not be lost - it ‘clicks’ for some guys, some new guys (Smith, Robinson) breathe some life into the D, Graham tinkers with the scheme and we start generating more consistent pressure.
Lots of holes, but fix this one area and I think we are at least a competitive team, and a more fun team to watch.
- OL. Maybe Peart picks up. Maybe not. Otherwise, don't look for improvement.
- TE. What you see is what you get.
- Front seven. What you see is what you get.
Improvement is there for the taking:
-D Jones.
-WR group. Injuries heal. cohesion forms. This is the main hope for the team.
Improvement possible, but will it happen?:
-secondary.
-coaching.
The only real area of optimism is DJ and WR. Defense did it last year, and on paper were supposed to be equal or better. Maybe they improve with reps. Otherwise, the only cause for hope is a need to hope because the alternative is hard to swallow. With each week, be prepared to have that sinking feeling that blind hope is slipping away.
I predicted a bad season, and I'm doubling down that it's going to be worse than my prediction. There's a lot of bottom dwellers. Giants win just enough to drop to the fifth pick. Too low to be in position to get the top QB (if one emerges) if we need one, or be the premium trade partner to accumulate picks.
IF I'm right (and I so want to be wrong), look for a dismal 2 or 3 years. We're at the peak of DG's rebuild, not much wiggle room for improvement other than a magical draft/recent drafts actually stepping up to the plate
Wouldn't mind them taking a couple in the middle rounds this year. Saw Tony Pauline say that it it's looking like a strong draft for tight ends.
These seasons are over by early October regularly. I’d like to see Judge work with a revamped front office.
6-31, that is an unbelievable track record of futility. Man the more we dissect these past 5 seasons the more ticked off I get
No excuse for this repeated incompetence
If they get to 9-8, Judge should be coach of the year and get a lifetime contract!
When the Giants were 1-7 last season, did you think they would beat Dallas the final week of the season with a chance to win the division?
You can’t judge the future by present performance, circumstances change
As long as the management structure is what it is and ownership keeps running this team like a family owned used car business, we are screwed as fans.
I also need to understand who is in his ear on challenges and at the end of the half and the game. His challenges and clock management are awful. That's not unusual in the NFL most coaches are awful at both. But he's got about 50 coaches on his staff. Find one who can be his Handley who did that for Parcells. Parcells was one of the best ever at game management.
Gettleman should be fired today. I don't care if Judge was on board with standing pat on the OL and not addressing the pass rush enough. I don't care if Judge is the reason they stood pat on the OL and made a half assed effort at the pass rush. A competent GM would not have allowed that to happen. No way I'm letting Judge pick the next GM and the GM getting along with Judge doesn't matter to me. Parcells and Young hated each other.
The next GM, if there is one from outside, needs to be able to work with, deal with, manage John Mara, Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell because they aren't ever going anywhere and they are literally the Giants way DNA and the people who set the direction fo the franchise. The more I think about it the best thing might just be elevate Abrams and end the charade of a NY Giants GM with any real authority. Ernie was the last one.
Plus if Judge gets fired after 2022 then maybe the Mara's can bring a football "president" above the GM and for once let him pick the HC. I know, I know hell will freeze over first.
I also need to understand who is in his ear on challenges and at the end of the half and the game. His challenges and clock management are awful. That's not unusual in the NFL most coaches are awful at both. But he's got about 50 coaches on his staff. Find one who can be his Handley who did that for Parcells. Parcells was one of the best ever at game management.
Gettleman should be fired today. I don't care if Judge was on board with standing pat on the OL and not addressing the pass rush enough. I don't care if Judge is the reason they stood pat on the OL and made a half assed effort at the pass rush. A competent GM would not have allowed that to happen. No way I'm letting Judge pick the next GM and the GM getting along with Judge doesn't matter to me. Parcells and Young hated each other.
The next GM, if there is one from outside, needs to be able to work with, deal with, manage John Mara, Chris Mara and Tim McDonnell because they aren't ever going anywhere and they are literally the Giants way DNA and the people who set the direction fo the franchise. The more I think about it the best thing might just be elevate Abrams and end the charade of a NY Giants GM with any real authority. Ernie was the last one.
Plus if Judge gets fired after 2022 then maybe the Mara's can bring a football "president" above the GM and for once let him pick the HC. I know, I know hell will freeze over first.
I always enjoy your posts arnie. I think Gettleman had authority in 2018 and most likely has far less now.
Obviously I'd take the winning record, but that doesn't mean all is well.
I think that's the only way forward from this mess. I have mentioned in a couple of other threads that I think John needs to be nothing more than our head fan, head cheerleader. Point Chris in another direction away from football. Hire a president to run all football operations and his or her only accountability is W/L/postseason record and lack of major scandals.
John gets no say in anything regarding the operation of the team other than evaluating this person each offseason.
This is something that I can't understand about Gettleman: he extols the importance of the offensive/defensive lines and the pass rush, yet barely does anything to actually fix them or get the right players.
I truly still believe Jones is the guy. Frustrating that once he starts playing well, we still don’t have the rest of the offense together due to injuries.
Defense has been disappointing to say the least. I don’t think it’s been as bad as some are saying but they need to step it up and fast.
What would the evidence be?