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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/17/2021 2:47 pm
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Nice bonus coverage here…  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:10 pm : link
Get to see how a Matt Rhule team plays.
Keep in mind  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:11 pm : link
This team beat the Bucs pretty easily
This has got to be  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:11 pm : link

One of the funniest thread starters in quite awhile.

And, boy, do Giants fans need a lot of humor!

1964 -1980

RE: RE: Now we can talk post game!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15417588 Keaton028 said:
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In comment 15417584 trueblueinpw said:


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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.




Sarcasm?


Me? Never.
This roster is no better than it was when Gettleman  
Heisenberg : 10/17/2021 4:12 pm : link
Took over the team.
RE: I really wish there was a QB separating from the pack in college  
bluewave : 10/17/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15417246 The_Boss said:
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Because Jones needs to be replaced. He might be the worst QB in the division. To be fair, his HC and his bumbling buffoon of a GM need to be dismissed as well.


The QB class is really bad. I would keeps another year as a stop gap and look forward to the next year.
RE: Nice bonus coverage here…  
cosmicj : 10/17/2021 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15417590 trueblueinpw said:
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Get to see how a Matt Rhule team plays.


Very good defense. Their current HB, with the immortal name of Chubba Hubbard (a Ben & Jerry’s tie in is a must for the future) was acquired exactly the way you do this, with a wise 4th round selection for a player who was very good in college and routinely makes the first man miss. I think Darnold sux - he is holding the team back.
You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/17/2021 4:18 pm : link
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
To add to the pain, Dallas will walk away with the division this year  
GeofromNJ : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
and NFL media will be unwatchable.
Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
90.Cal : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
RE: RE: Said it before - I'll say it again  
AcidTest : 10/17/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15417579 Vanzetti said:
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The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.




The Will Hernandez pick was really bad


Could have drafted Braden Smith instead of Hernandez as Sy urged. Or Darius Leonard.
all teams hit adversity  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:20 pm : link
Let's see what happens when Dallas hits some rough water.
Been saying for awhile  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:21 pm : link

That it’s a false narrative that Joe Judge is guaranteed at least one more season.

And, today’s game (injuries and all), has done nothing to change my mind.

So, one mo’ time… this is how it will unfold:

(1) Dave Gettleman gives a none-too gracious “retirement” speech;

(2) A new G.M. Is brought in, hopefully someone chosen out of John Mara’s comfort zone;

(3) The new G.M. announces an entirely new team philosophy that requires a change in direction;

(4) Hence the hiring of a new Head Coach;

(5) And thus the re-build begins anew… again.
RE: all teams hit adversity  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15417634 bc4life said:
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Let's see what happens when Dallas hits some rough water.


They played a year without their QB. Adversity. They look fine.
and where did the team  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:22 pm : link
go without him and we beat them last year...
they played one top level team and lost  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:23 pm : link
barely beat chargers - rest of victories are against teams with losing records - since when is that adversity?
RE: This roster is no better than it was when Gettleman  
AcidTest : 10/17/2021 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15417603 Heisenberg said:
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Took over the team.


Agreed.
RE: Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15417628 90.Cal said:
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We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.


Any plan that involves building around Jones and Barkley is one that I am not interested in at all.
RE: Hopefully Chicago keeps losing  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15417628 90.Cal said:
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We are a team that needs two top 10 picks...

Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players

Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney

If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.


ah what would be the point of that? That would be pretty much what you have now

And you have no pass rush why keep overpriced players and or inneffective players like Martinez around(not a playmaker); Bradberry (terrible), Lawrence (not a pass rusher)

Do not get me started on barkley. Also a rebuild with the same qb is not a rebuild
Sammy D & the Black Cats!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:28 pm : link
Coming all the way down the field to tie it up!
Sure as Hell looks like  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 4:28 pm : link

Joe Judge has lost this team.

RE: and where did the team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15417645 bc4life said:
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go without him and we beat them last year...


No one cares that we beat the cowboys without their QB. Did it seem like that was in the Cowboys' heads last week when they beat the Giants like a drum?

The only people that attached a meaning to that game were fans who desperately wanted that game to be a statement of the arrow pointing up.
At least the good news is that the  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2021 4:31 pm : link
Georgia Bulldogs won.

Go Dawgs'...
Barkley and going forward,  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 4:32 pm : link
should never be together.
now you're changing the subject  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:33 pm : link
you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
Judge is having a great post game presser!  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:34 pm : link
I really like the way he handles the press after losing so many games! This guy can really talk!
RE: now you're changing the subject  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15417686 bc4life said:
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you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule


Dude what is your point? That these scrubs are as good as the cowboys? Are you kidding with this. Easy schedule but their offense regularly puts up 40+ point on the board.
RE: RE: RE: Now we can talk post game!  
Keaton028 : 10/17/2021 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15417602 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 15417584 trueblueinpw said:


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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.




Sarcasm?



Me? Never.


Haha ya got me!
Who got injured  
Joe Beckwith : 10/17/2021 4:39 pm : link
and how badly.
The games have gotten secondary given all the continuing injuries.
The Saints win  
Sammo85 : 10/17/2021 4:39 pm : link
was a mirage. Payton got arrogant and lazy. Giants deserved to win but they came very close to losing and needed the Saints help to do so.

This team is probably going to have double digit losses by Thanksgiving.
RE: now you're changing the subject  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/17/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15417686 bc4life said:
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you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.


They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule


I'm not even sure why the Cowboys matter here. They're well-equipped to survive any challenges to the season. And if they don't the Giants are still terrible. We'll laugh at the cowboys while the Giants are 9-27 in their last home games.
Dave will be gone  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 4:43 pm : link
All attention needs to shift to evaluating the HC imo. You have to see if he should have the chance to change coordinators, QB etc.

Besides seeing coaching issues I am concerned at his ability to identify talent both in coach and players and establish a team that will eventually win and win big. I have no desire to retain a HC that does not show some character traits of a champion that inspires teams to max out to its potential.

He certainly had a great opportunity right now to show his ability and it’s not just wins and losses.
RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
islander1 : 10/17/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15417667 M.S. said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.


I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore
Listening to the post game…  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 4:48 pm : link
It’s sounds like all the Giants need to do is execute. So, that should be too hard.
RE: Listening to the post game…  
Mike in NY : 10/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15417749 trueblueinpw said:
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It’s sounds like all the Giants need to do is execute. So, that should be too hard.


I am in favor of executing the team
RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
Silver Spoon : 10/17/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15417730 islander1 said:
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In comment 15417667 M.S. said:


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Joe Judge has lost this team.




I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore


You mean running laps like pee wee football hasn’t been helpful?
RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
dpinzow : 10/17/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15417667 M.S. said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.


Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season
Debaser  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 4:55 pm : link
wasn't fucking talking to you and my point was pretty clear
There’s some real lousy execution and  
Simms11 : 10/17/2021 4:56 pm : link
some of that could be related to lack of talent. The LBers suck right now. I think they might be the biggest detriment to the D, to include Edge. I see the players getting lost and not physical enough tackling. Crowder, Jackson and McKinney tackled like absolute crap and seemed to all shy away from being physical.
RE: Debaser  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15417802 bc4life said:
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wasn't fucking talking to you and my point was pretty clear


No it is not clear. So like this team wins 10 in a row Dallas loses 6 in a row and the Giants win the NFC East?

I just love pie in the Skyiers. Here is what is going to happen Dak faces adversity ; overcomes it ; and goes on to win the NFC East and the MVP and some games in the playoffs if not the Super bowl. The giants are again a 6 win team. Does that answer your question about what happens to good teams that face adversity and bottom of the league teams when they face it?
Daniel Jones is 9-23 in his career as a starter.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:07 pm : link
Eli Manning was 9-23 as a starter in the final 32 starts of his NFL career.

The owners have changed general managers, head coaches, and quarterbacks. They jettisoned malcontents like Odell and people who were no longer seen as part of the solution like JPP. There’s been literally no improvement. In some areas, they’ve somehow got worse. This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Can the owners, specifically John Mara, be trusted to hire the right person to run the operation? There’s little hope that the answer is yes.

What a complete and total disaster.
RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15417763 dpinzow said:
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Joe Judge has lost this team.




Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season


Can it get uglier than today?
RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/17/2021 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15417622 81_Great_Dane said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.


Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Nothing is getting better. No arrow is pointing up. It never was.  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 5:13 pm : link
Something has to change. We’ve been shit for far too long. Firing Gettleman, who seemingly hasn’t improved this franchise one iota since getting hired, is the first step. The quicker the better. He’s been an unmitigated disaster.
RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15417622 81_Great_Dane said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.


Excellent post.

The problem starts with the owners. Unfortunately, neither will sell, so we’re forced to hope that they change their outdated mode of decision-making. Good luck with that.
RE: RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15417850 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.



Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.


Arguably the worst GM in professional sports.
It all started with the firing of Gilbride  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
RE: RE: RE: Sure as Hell looks like  
darren in pdx : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15417845 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 15417667 M.S. said:


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Joe Judge has lost this team.




Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season



Can it get uglier than today?


Yes.
RE: RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.  
HomerJones45 : 10/17/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15417850 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 15417622 81_Great_Dane said:


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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.

Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.

It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.



Dave Gettleman.

Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Reese sucked, his apologists notwithstanding. Gettlemen blew the second and sixth picks in the entire draft along with at least one other first round pick. They both threw away hundreds of millions of owner money on free agents due to their inability to evaluate what they had on hand.
based on Judge's comments in press conference, he has totally  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/17/2021 5:19 pm : link
lost this team. Now the finger pointing starts..>looking at video to see who was loafing and not giving effort
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