Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.
Sarcasm?
Me? Never.
This roster is no better than it was when Gettleman
Because Jones needs to be replaced. He might be the worst QB in the division. To be fair, his HC and his bumbling buffoon of a GM need to be dismissed as well.
The QB class is really bad. I would keeps another year as a stop gap and look forward to the next year.
Very good defense. Their current HB, with the immortal name of Chubba Hubbard (a Ben & Jerry’s tie in is a must for the future) was acquired exactly the way you do this, with a wise 4th round selection for a player who was very good in college and routinely makes the first man miss. I think Darnold sux - he is holding the team back.
You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
To add to the pain, Dallas will walk away with the division this year
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.
The Will Hernandez pick was really bad
Could have drafted Braden Smith instead of Hernandez as Sy urged. Or Darius Leonard.
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
Any plan that involves building around Jones and Barkley is one that I am not interested in at all.
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
ah what would be the point of that? That would be pretty much what you have now
And you have no pass rush why keep overpriced players and or inneffective players like Martinez around(not a playmaker); Bradberry (terrible), Lawrence (not a pass rusher)
Do not get me started on barkley. Also a rebuild with the same qb is not a rebuild
No one cares that we beat the cowboys without their QB. Did it seem like that was in the Cowboys' heads last week when they beat the Giants like a drum?
The only people that attached a meaning to that game were fans who desperately wanted that game to be a statement of the arrow pointing up.
you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
Dude what is your point? That these scrubs are as good as the cowboys? Are you kidding with this. Easy schedule but their offense regularly puts up 40+ point on the board.
Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.
you insinuated that Cowboys could withstand diversity. You responded by saying they lost QB and I responded pointing out that they struggled when faced with that adversity.
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
I'm not even sure why the Cowboys matter here. They're well-equipped to survive any challenges to the season. And if they don't the Giants are still terrible. We'll laugh at the cowboys while the Giants are 9-27 in their last home games.
All attention needs to shift to evaluating the HC imo. You have to see if he should have the chance to change coordinators, QB etc.
Besides seeing coaching issues I am concerned at his ability to identify talent both in coach and players and establish a team that will eventually win and win big. I have no desire to retain a HC that does not show some character traits of a champion that inspires teams to max out to its potential.
He certainly had a great opportunity right now to show his ability and it’s not just wins and losses.
some of that could be related to lack of talent. The LBers suck right now. I think they might be the biggest detriment to the D, to include Edge. I see the players getting lost and not physical enough tackling. Crowder, Jackson and McKinney tackled like absolute crap and seemed to all shy away from being physical.
wasn't fucking talking to you and my point was pretty clear
No it is not clear. So like this team wins 10 in a row Dallas loses 6 in a row and the Giants win the NFC East?
I just love pie in the Skyiers. Here is what is going to happen Dak faces adversity ; overcomes it ; and goes on to win the NFC East and the MVP and some games in the playoffs if not the Super bowl. The giants are again a 6 win team. Does that answer your question about what happens to good teams that face adversity and bottom of the league teams when they face it?
Eli Manning was 9-23 as a starter in the final 32 starts of his NFL career.
The owners have changed general managers, head coaches, and quarterbacks. They jettisoned malcontents like Odell and people who were no longer seen as part of the solution like JPP. There’s been literally no improvement. In some areas, they’ve somehow got worse. This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Can the owners, specifically John Mara, be trusted to hire the right person to run the operation? There’s little hope that the answer is yes.
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Nothing is getting better. No arrow is pointing up. It never was.
Something has to change. We’ve been shit for far too long. Firing Gettleman, who seemingly hasn’t improved this franchise one iota since getting hired, is the first step. The quicker the better. He’s been an unmitigated disaster.
RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Excellent post.
The problem starts with the owners. Unfortunately, neither will sell, so we’re forced to hope that they change their outdated mode of decision-making. Good luck with that.
RE: RE: You watch other teams, and it looks like a different sport.
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Reese sucked, his apologists notwithstanding. Gettlemen blew the second and sixth picks in the entire draft along with at least one other first round pick. They both threw away hundreds of millions of owner money on free agents due to their inability to evaluate what they had on hand.
based on Judge's comments in press conference, he has totally
One of the funniest thread starters in quite awhile.
And, boy, do Giants fans need a lot of humor!
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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.
Sarcasm?
Me? Never.
The QB class is really bad. I would keeps another year as a stop gap and look forward to the next year.
Very good defense. Their current HB, with the immortal name of Chubba Hubbard (a Ben & Jerry’s tie in is a must for the future) was acquired exactly the way you do this, with a wise 4th round selection for a player who was very good in college and routinely makes the first man miss. I think Darnold sux - he is holding the team back.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
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The year Gettleman drafted Barkley, he could have drafted Josh Allen on the 1st round and Nick Chubb on the 2nd round. And yeah, I am well aware the O line sucks and can't be fixed with 6th round picks and free agents.
The Will Hernandez pick was really bad
Could have drafted Braden Smith instead of Hernandez as Sy urged. Or Darius Leonard.
That it’s a false narrative that Joe Judge is guaranteed at least one more season.
And, today’s game (injuries and all), has done nothing to change my mind.
So, one mo’ time… this is how it will unfold:
(1) Dave Gettleman gives a none-too gracious “retirement” speech;
(2) A new G.M. Is brought in, hopefully someone chosen out of John Mara’s comfort zone;
(3) The new G.M. announces an entirely new team philosophy that requires a change in direction;
(4) Hence the hiring of a new Head Coach;
(5) And thus the re-build begins anew… again.
They played a year without their QB. Adversity. They look fine.
Agreed.
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
Any plan that involves building around Jones and Barkley is one that I am not interested in at all.
Fire DG... hire a GM to build around these 12 players
Daniel Jones
Saquon Barkley
Andrew Thomas
Kadarius Toney
Kenny Golladay
Sterling Shepard
Azeez Ojulari
Leonard Williams
Dexter Lawerence
Blake Martinez
James Bradberry
Xavier McKinney
If judge can't win more than 6 games get rid of him, Graham and Garrett.
ah what would be the point of that? That would be pretty much what you have now
And you have no pass rush why keep overpriced players and or inneffective players like Martinez around(not a playmaker); Bradberry (terrible), Lawrence (not a pass rusher)
Do not get me started on barkley. Also a rebuild with the same qb is not a rebuild
Joe Judge has lost this team.
No one cares that we beat the cowboys without their QB. Did it seem like that was in the Cowboys' heads last week when they beat the Giants like a drum?
The only people that attached a meaning to that game were fans who desperately wanted that game to be a statement of the arrow pointing up.
Go Dawgs'...
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
Dude what is your point? That these scrubs are as good as the cowboys? Are you kidding with this. Easy schedule but their offense regularly puts up 40+ point on the board.
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Tough loss today. But the players played tough and fought to the end. I think we can all look at the tape on Monday and find opportunities to improve. But we’re building something here.
Sarcasm?
Me? Never.
Haha ya got me!
The games have gotten secondary given all the continuing injuries.
This team is probably going to have double digit losses by Thanksgiving.
They have not hit a rough spot yet and have had an easy schedule
I'm not even sure why the Cowboys matter here. They're well-equipped to survive any challenges to the season. And if they don't the Giants are still terrible. We'll laugh at the cowboys while the Giants are 9-27 in their last home games.
Besides seeing coaching issues I am concerned at his ability to identify talent both in coach and players and establish a team that will eventually win and win big. I have no desire to retain a HC that does not show some character traits of a champion that inspires teams to max out to its potential.
He certainly had a great opportunity right now to show his ability and it’s not just wins and losses.
Joe Judge has lost this team.
I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore
I am in favor of executing the team
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Joe Judge has lost this team.
I'm not sure how they can honestly believe in him anymore
You mean running laps like pee wee football hasn’t been helpful?
Joe Judge has lost this team.
Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season
No it is not clear. So like this team wins 10 in a row Dallas loses 6 in a row and the Giants win the NFC East?
I just love pie in the Skyiers. Here is what is going to happen Dak faces adversity ; overcomes it ; and goes on to win the NFC East and the MVP and some games in the playoffs if not the Super bowl. The giants are again a 6 win team. Does that answer your question about what happens to good teams that face adversity and bottom of the league teams when they face it?
The owners have changed general managers, head coaches, and quarterbacks. They jettisoned malcontents like Odell and people who were no longer seen as part of the solution like JPP. There’s been literally no improvement. In some areas, they’ve somehow got worse. This organization needs to be rebuilt from the top down. Can the owners, specifically John Mara, be trusted to hire the right person to run the operation? There’s little hope that the answer is yes.
What a complete and total disaster.
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Joe Judge has lost this team.
Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season
Can it get uglier than today?
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Excellent post.
The problem starts with the owners. Unfortunately, neither will sell, so we’re forced to hope that they change their outdated mode of decision-making. Good luck with that.
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.
Arguably the worst GM in professional sports.
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Joe Judge has lost this team.
Once the veterans decide that it's another lost season, it's going to get really ugly. Think McAdoo's 2nd season
Can it get uglier than today?
Yes.
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The QB has protection. Players are fast. Receivers are open. The offenses look confident. The defenses get beaten but they look organized. The players are intense.
Why TF don't the Giants look like that? Year after goddam year, it's the same thing. O-line can't protect the QB. D doesn't get a pass rush. Receivers don't scare anyone. D can't get off the field. Return game is underwhelming. They don't even have a top punter, which they had with Jennings, Landeta and Feagles.
It's not one unit. It's the whole team. This isn't a matter of replacing the QB or the OC or even the HC. It was like this under McAdoo, and under Shurmur, and in Coughlin's last years. They've run a nice experiment and pretty much proven that the problem is deeper than the HC, the coordinators or any particular players. It's a bad organization.
Dave Gettleman.
Never thought I'd live to see a worse GM than Reese. JR was light years ahead of this buffoon.