Is nobody really has any idea who is making decisions. It just seems like you have several ideas of team building being commingled together with Mara trying to appease multiple people.
Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.
Is nobody really has any idea who is making decisions. It just seems like you have several ideas of team building being commingled together with Mara trying to appease multiple people.
Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.
The Giants readily tell you that decisions are made as a collective. It's DG, it's Mara, it's Judge.
Mara might not be involved in the day to day but he is the reason they hired the GM and the Head Coach. Those positions are not filled without John Mara's seal of approval.
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?
Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.
One thing people missed was Ojalari Loafing around the field
Yes I’ve heard him say it several times like it’s a highly effective process. Wonder how he is seeing it as a suitable process moving forward. John seems like the main guy removing and hiring the coaches.
Yes I’ve heard him say it several times like it’s a highly effective process. Wonder how he is seeing it as a suitable process moving forward. John seems like the main guy removing and hiring the coaches.
I doubt he will ever remove himself from having all that power.
Even when he admits the results are poor, as he has many times, he's not going to 'fire' himself. Privilege of power.
I think of how affective Goff was in that system on that team. He’s not all that now in Detroit. Looking at Jones, there’s some similarities. Jones was effective with Shurmur his first year and had a pretty nice rookie season. Jones has not been very effective in this Garrett system. I am pretty sure the Giants will look to replace Garrett this off-season and give Jones another new OC and new scheme. Now question is will there be a new GM and will he want to start anew with QB? Or will that guy give Jones competition and another year to prove himself? HC, whoever that may be will also have a say, I’m sure.
Just that many have taken the fall but it really comes down to poor drafting and a shift from what common traits all the good Giants teams had over the years.
The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.
RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
he got it because the fat headed owners panicked after Manning had a lot of int’s one season and thought they needed a different offense. Wrong as per usual.
You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.
I think of how affective Goff was in that system on that team. He’s not all that now in Detroit. Looking at Jones, there’s some similarities. Jones was effective with Shurmur his first year and had a pretty nice rookie season. Jones has not been very effective in this Garrett system. I am pretty sure the Giants will look to replace Garrett this off-season and give Jones another new OC and new scheme. Now question is will there be a new GM and will he want to start anew with QB? Or will that guy give Jones competition and another year to prove himself? HC, whoever that may be will also have a say, I’m sure.
teams have film on Jones and no his weaknesses.
RE: RE: RE: It all started with the firing of Gilbride
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?
Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.
Your opinion (and mine) is inconsequential in this discussion. The facts show the only QBs who threw more TDs than Eli in his two seasons with McAdoo as OC were Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. (Drew Brees threw the same number as Eli.) Eli threw as many interceptions in his final season under Gilbride as he did the next two seasons under McAdoo despite more than double the attempts. I’m not saying McAdoo was worth a dirty nickel, but the idea that the downfall of the team began with Kevin Gilbride’s firing doesn’t make any sense.
The downfall of the team is 100% more about the downgrade in player personnel that started under Jerry Reese. The firing of Tom Coughlin, despite all of his issues, was accelerant.
Watching the Giants every time is like watching the
Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
he got it because the fat headed owners panicked after Manning had a lot of int’s one season and thought they needed a different offense. Wrong as per usual.
You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.
Forget opinions. Look at the numbers. You’re wrong.
Just that many have taken the fall but it really comes down to poor drafting and a shift from what common traits all the good Giants teams had over the years.
The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.
Certain QBs like Eli are just not going to look like they good numbers. Big play QBs are jut not going to have good looking numbers like short passing QBs.
Look at Joe Namath's numbers ; they look terrible but i've only seen him play one game on you tube ; you get why he was a good qb. his plays were like 30 yards plus at a time and big momentum plays
Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
Agreed. It's usually talent. And we thought we had it.
Doesn’t make any sense? It was a shift in philosophy and the biggest reason the Giants are in this position today.
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
We’re not in disagreement on this particular point. Moves like drafting Ereck Flowers were a bigger harbinger of doom than firing Kevin Gilbride ever was. The philosophy wasn’t the issue as much as just drafting bad, ineffectual players was. Once that happens, you have to be aggressive in free agency and that’s how you end up with mercenaries. Those guys are fine when everything goes well, but they’re the first to give up when things go badly.
Even drafting Ereck Flowers is more complicated than
If Mara and Tisch are feeling badly, tough shit: these two sperm recipients need to suffer financially for their idiotic decisions. - but they wont’t.
You didn't see that in guys like Flowers and Apple.
Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.
Easy to put it all on Dave but it runs much deeper.
The Giants readily tell you that decisions are made as a collective. It's DG, it's Mara, it's Judge.
Mara might not be involved in the day to day but he is the reason they hired the GM and the Head Coach. Those positions are not filled without John Mara's seal of approval.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
You didn't see that in guys like Flowers and Apple.
I don't see great talent in Jones. His talent is similar to other journeymen like Mariota and Trubisky.
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?
Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.
I doubt he will ever remove himself from having all that power.
Even when he admits the results are poor, as he has many times, he's not going to 'fire' himself. Privilege of power.
The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
What does that prove that Eli was a better QB than a lot of people give him credit for when he was an older player?
Macadoo was a west coast offense short passing game oc and coach. Could not think of a worse fit ; same with shurmur. i think i agree with the gilbride thing.
Your opinion (and mine) is inconsequential in this discussion. The facts show the only QBs who threw more TDs than Eli in his two seasons with McAdoo as OC were Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. (Drew Brees threw the same number as Eli.) Eli threw as many interceptions in his final season under Gilbride as he did the next two seasons under McAdoo despite more than double the attempts. I’m not saying McAdoo was worth a dirty nickel, but the idea that the downfall of the team began with Kevin Gilbride’s firing doesn’t make any sense.
The downfall of the team is 100% more about the downgrade in player personnel that started under Jerry Reese. The firing of Tom Coughlin, despite all of his issues, was accelerant.
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Mara has been searching for the answer that was as clear then as it is today.
Eli Manning’s numbers under McAdoo as coordinator were excellent. How do you think he got the head coaching job in the first place? This is a dumpster fire with numerous horrific decisions, but firing Gilbride isn’t one of them.
he got it because the fat headed owners panicked after Manning had a lot of int’s one season and thought they needed a different offense. Wrong as per usual.
You should reflect. The owners have basically done everything you and your fellow travelers insisted needed to be done. You see the results.
Forget opinions. Look at the numbers. You’re wrong.
The passing numbers were okay with McAdoo as OC but they couldn’t run which goes to my point above. Ultimately they don’t have enough players that impact the game physically.
Certain QBs like Eli are just not going to look like they good numbers. Big play QBs are jut not going to have good looking numbers like short passing QBs.
Look at Joe Namath's numbers ; they look terrible but i've only seen him play one game on you tube ; you get why he was a good qb. his plays were like 30 yards plus at a time and big momentum plays
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
Agreed. It's usually talent. And we thought we had it.
Guess what?...
The point isn’t Gilbride . It was accepting that winning the lines is not fundamental football 101. You can’t scheme your way to championships if you can’t impose your will on the lines. The issue was talent then as it is today.
We’re not in disagreement on this particular point. Moves like drafting Ereck Flowers were a bigger harbinger of doom than firing Kevin Gilbride ever was. The philosophy wasn’t the issue as much as just drafting bad, ineffectual players was. Once that happens, you have to be aggressive in free agency and that’s how you end up with mercenaries. Those guys are fine when everything goes well, but they’re the first to give up when things go badly.
Who were the people in the room when that decision was made? Coughlin absolutely was. Wasn't Pat Flaherty? A lot of people got that wrong.
I'd trade him ASAP, but don't think there are many teams willing to trade for him.
Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.
I don't have confidence in his ability to hire the right people to run the football operations.
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He’d fire Gettleman and start the search process for a President to run all football operations, hire the GM and make the final call regarding Judge.
Even Dolan was smart enough to find someone to run his teams instead of himself.
I don't have confidence in his ability to hire the right people to run the football operations.
Well, that’s fair. But, he’s the owner. Gotta keep swinging. Gettleman has had more than enough time and he’s been laughably incompetent.
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