I've heard that on BBI the last 4 years. We should feel very privileged that Dave Gettelman is our GM. The heroism to be condescending to reporters who ask about analytics knows no bounds. We are so lucky.
I wish I had confidence in the next hire. I like Jones but that will be a prerequisite to getting the job next year. Whoever doesn’t commit to Jones in the interview process won’t be considered for the job.
Just like Gettleman telling Mara what he wanted to hear when he got hired. That they could still win with Eli.
The process is just going to be another sham. I hope they start over with the coaching staff at least. They’re incompetent. All of them, Judge included.
It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
Um yes people were talking up Gettelman as a good GM. For a long time. If you paid attention here you would know.
You’ve already backed it off your original statement. You said people were saying he’s a great GM. Now you are saying people are saying he’s a good GM. There is a difference. And who gives a shit, really? Who cares what “ sone people” said years ago?
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It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
Um yes people were talking up Gettelman as a good GM. For a long time. If you paid attention here you would know.
You’ve already backed it off your original statement. You said people were saying he’s a great GM. Now you are saying people are saying he’s a good GM. There is a difference. And who gives a shit, really? Who cares what “ sone people” said years ago?
Wow you're parsing my original post between good and great. Cool story bro.
I wish I had confidence in the next hire. I like Jones but that will be a prerequisite to getting the job next year. Whoever doesn’t commit to Jones in the interview process won’t be considered for the job.
Just like Gettleman telling Mara what he wanted to hear when he got hired. That they could still win with Eli.
The process is just going to be another sham. I hope they start over with the coaching staff at least. They’re incompetent. All of them, Judge included.
I hope you’re wrong. If the process is a sham than Mara doesn’t care about winning and just wants a profit, I don’t believe that. I think he knows there needs to be legitimate changes this time around.
you've only heard that from a few people who become prolifically aggressive towards anyone expressing doubts about the Giants. There are more anti-Gettleman folks than pro as far as I can tell.
Maybe now. But not before the start of last year. Last year more began to convert during and after the season but still a lot of optimism too.
Before that you were categorized "as a hater" or "A miserable bastard" if you criticized him. Still this year there were many like that.
Please don’t act like you’re the only one who didn’t want him as GM.
For the record I was fine with the hire. Unlike others, I'm ok with admitting I was wrong. What is weird to me is people arguing against obvious facts and evidence. But here we are. Rome wasn't built in a day, dahling. (But plenty of good NFL teams were built in 2 years.)
Wow do you twist things.
Sure no one said he is GREAT. But MANY MANY MANY on ere did stick up for him and would say things like "I'd rather believe DG than you etc."
Wow - have oyu tried to twist things or what?
C'mon who are you kidding??????????!!!!!
RE: Gettleman is lapping Ray Handley as a destructive force
you've only heard that from a few people who become prolifically aggressive towards anyone expressing doubts about the Giants. There are more anti-Gettleman folks than pro as far as I can tell.
Maybe now. But not before the start of last year. Last year more began to convert during and after the season but still a lot of optimism too.
Before that you were categorized "as a hater" or "A miserable bastard" if you criticized him. Still this year there were many like that.
Sure but again, how many posters regularly did that? Not very many. Just a few often said it.
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
Again posters like you weasling words. The posters were aggressive defending DG. They didn't have ot say DG was a good GM. Instead they would defend big time that he didn't suck.
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
So silly. Agree, nobody would use words like great, but they still would support him in staying his role.
Suggesting he had good hits and bad, that no GM bats a thousand, that Reese left him with garbage, that the Owners hamstrung him with Eli, that he did well in Carolina, and that he just needs time.
saying that since Judge had a say in personnel decisions that he was responsible. That wasn’t last month or last year, it was Thursday.
And they know this...how?
Gettleman supporters became more vocal Judge supporters to separate themselves from the former. Then Judge started to look suspect so now they have nowhere else to go...
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
So silly. Agree, nobody would use words like great, but they still would support him in staying his role.
Suggesting he had good hits and bad, that no GM bats a thousand, that Reese left him with garbage, that the Owners hamstrung him with Eli, that he did well in Carolina, and that he just needs time.
What a joke to backtrack now on those posts...
I sure hope you’re not saying I’m backtracking on any posts. Please go search the archives. I’ve never said shit about DG. And if I knew a poster was praising him I’d probably remember their handle since it would be so rare.
Shit, once he picked up that Jax OL his first season at the helm I was terrified of what he was bringing to the team.
The GM gets way too much blame for this mess. I’m not even a DG defender as much as I feel it’s way too easy to put all the blame on him. If he got fired into the Hackensack River tonight I wouldn’t lose sleep. He’s lost a lot here so he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame, but I think the HC makes or breaks the GM more often than not. Just how I feel. I have never had a dog in this race other than I want to win.
The GM gets way too much blame for this mess. I’m not even a DG defender as much as I feel it’s way too easy to put all the blame on him. If he got fired into the Hackensack River tonight I wouldn’t lose sleep. He’s lost a lot here so he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame, but I think the HC makes or breaks the GM more often than not. Just how I feel. I have never had a dog in this race other than I want to win.
DG inherited a mess. Yet, he had 4 offseasons, a ton of early draft picks, had the ability to pick his own QB and spend up to the cap in free agency every single year, change over his scouts and the coaches.
It’s weird for a fan to defend something before it’s a finished product. Were talking about a wait and see approach at 0-0. Were also talking about a fan being pumped up when the giants beat Seattle in Seattle last season. They were showing signs of life. Wtf is a fan supposed to do at this point in time?
No one is defending DG this season. You’re overstating this so called legion of staunch or loud DG defenders. Many here are lately. Everywhere I go most fans have always killed DG. You can’t go one day here without seeing multiple dg bashing threads. You’re gonna get your pound of flesh don’t worry. Then you can sharpen the knives for the next poor slob to come through here as GM.
It’s weird for a fan to defend something before it’s a finished product. Were talking about a wait and see approach at 0-0. Were also talking about a fan being pumped up when the giants beat Seattle in Seattle last season. They were showing signs of life. Wtf is a fan supposed to do at this point in time?
No one is defending DG this season. You’re overstating this so called legion of staunch or loud DG defenders. Many here are lately. Everywhere I go most fans have always killed DG. You can’t go one day here without seeing multiple dg bashing threads. You’re gonna get your pound of flesh don’t worry. Then you can sharpen the knives for the next poor slob to come through here as GM.
Not overstating anything. The defense of DG has been one of the more ridiculous stretches I have seen in NY Giant history.
When he was put in place things started poorly, it was a general defense of NY Giant nation.
Then when the first year results were bad, it became a conspiracy theory on how Eli was forced on him to "win now".
Then when the losses piled up in Year 2, it was the coaches stink so give him more time under a new coaching staff and his own guys.
Then when Judge came into the picture with some positive results, it was they are a "good collaborative team" so let's keep going.
It’s weird for a fan to defend something before it’s a finished product.
lots of terrible decisions were made that brought the team to this point. The defenders lauded many of those decisions (trades, signings, etc.) - while other first guessed them as questionable.
Who regaled us with fulsome praise of Gettleman's brilliant master plan, and how this year it was all going to come together. That was earlier this year, too, not at the beginning of Gettleman's reign of error.
There were also quite a few apologists who have blamed all of Gettleman's failures on Jerry Reese. Fortunately, now that it's year four, those have dried up.
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It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
That's saying someting.
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It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
Um yes people were talking up Gettelman as a good GM. For a long time. If you paid attention here you would know.
Just like Gettleman telling Mara what he wanted to hear when he got hired. That they could still win with Eli.
The process is just going to be another sham. I hope they start over with the coaching staff at least. They’re incompetent. All of them, Judge included.
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It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
Um yes people were talking up Gettelman as a good GM. For a long time. If you paid attention here you would know.
You’ve already backed it off your original statement. You said people were saying he’s a great GM. Now you are saying people are saying he’s a good GM. There is a difference. And who gives a shit, really? Who cares what “ sone people” said years ago?
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.... saying DG is a great GM
It probably never happened. The OP is made at some imaginary person
Um yes people were talking up Gettelman as a good GM. For a long time. If you paid attention here you would know.
You’ve already backed it off your original statement. You said people were saying he’s a great GM. Now you are saying people are saying he’s a good GM. There is a difference. And who gives a shit, really? Who cares what “ sone people” said years ago?
Wow you're parsing my original post between good and great. Cool story bro.
Just like Gettleman telling Mara what he wanted to hear when he got hired. That they could still win with Eli.
The process is just going to be another sham. I hope they start over with the coaching staff at least. They’re incompetent. All of them, Judge included.
I hope you’re wrong. If the process is a sham than Mara doesn’t care about winning and just wants a profit, I don’t believe that. I think he knows there needs to be legitimate changes this time around.
Maybe not “great”, but many still supported him early this season. All of the naysayers were haters who knew nothing about football.
Maybe now. But not before the start of last year. Last year more began to convert during and after the season but still a lot of optimism too.
Before that you were categorized "as a hater" or "A miserable bastard" if you criticized him. Still this year there were many like that.
For the record I was fine with the hire. Unlike others, I'm ok with admitting I was wrong. What is weird to me is people arguing against obvious facts and evidence. But here we are. Rome wasn't built in a day, dahling. (But plenty of good NFL teams were built in 2 years.)
Oh My God!!!!!
Wow do you twist things.
Sure no one said he is GREAT. But MANY MANY MANY on ere did stick up for him and would say things like "I'd rather believe DG than you etc."
Wow - have oyu tried to twist things or what?
C'mon who are you kidding??????????!!!!!
He has to go immediately. Someone has to pay for this disaster and he is the architect. It needs to be tonight.
He is much worse. Ray actually had a .500 record in 91 here.
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you've only heard that from a few people who become prolifically aggressive towards anyone expressing doubts about the Giants. There are more anti-Gettleman folks than pro as far as I can tell.
Maybe now. But not before the start of last year. Last year more began to convert during and after the season but still a lot of optimism too.
Before that you were categorized "as a hater" or "A miserable bastard" if you criticized him. Still this year there were many like that.
Sure but again, how many posters regularly did that? Not very many. Just a few often said it.
Some of you sound like big assholes.
Yes, but they still should as Giant fans.
Maybe they don't because they took to hard a stance on supporting a bad view on DG. Whatever...
They didn't like being told their belief was wrong, and doubled down on it at every opportunity.
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
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.... saying DG is a great GM
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
Again posters like you weasling words. The posters were aggressive defending DG. They didn't have ot say DG was a good GM. Instead they would defend big time that he didn't suck.
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.... saying DG is a great GM
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
So silly. Agree, nobody would use words like great, but they still would support him in staying his role.
Suggesting he had good hits and bad, that no GM bats a thousand, that Reese left him with garbage, that the Owners hamstrung him with Eli, that he did well in Carolina, and that he just needs time.
What a joke to backtrack now on those posts...
And they know this...how?
Gettleman supporters became more vocal Judge supporters to separate themselves from the former. Then Judge started to look suspect so now they have nowhere else to go...
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.... saying DG is a great GM
Put me in this camp. I’ve heard a few say give him some more time. But never have a I read a single post on BBI saying DG is a great or even good GM.
So silly. Agree, nobody would use words like great, but they still would support him in staying his role.
Suggesting he had good hits and bad, that no GM bats a thousand, that Reese left him with garbage, that the Owners hamstrung him with Eli, that he did well in Carolina, and that he just needs time.
What a joke to backtrack now on those posts...
I sure hope you’re not saying I’m backtracking on any posts. Please go search the archives. I’ve never said shit about DG. And if I knew a poster was praising him I’d probably remember their handle since it would be so rare.
Shit, once he picked up that Jax OL his first season at the helm I was terrified of what he was bringing to the team.
They may have been just clueless NYG homers and not have used the word great, but it was very clear as to their views.
They may have been just clueless NYG homers and not have used the word great, but it was very clear as to their views.
He didn’t have fan boys. But I’d imagine he had fans that wanted to give him a chance. Why would a fan base root against the new lead of their GM?
The way you’re wording things is that he had dug in advocates. I don’t recall any.
DG inherited a mess. Yet, he had 4 offseasons, a ton of early draft picks, had the ability to pick his own QB and spend up to the cap in free agency every single year, change over his scouts and the coaches.
And he still didn't improve it one single bit.
He sucks at this...
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DG didn't have a fairly vocal supporting cast here.
They may have been just clueless NYG homers and not have used the word great, but it was very clear as to their views.
He didn’t have fan boys. But I’d imagine he had fans that wanted to give him a chance. Why would a fan base root against the new lead of their GM?
The way you’re wording things is that he had dug in advocates. I don’t recall any.
Yes, he had dug in advocates. They are fairly quiet these days.
However, if the NYG win the next 2 games they will come out again so you have a chance to find them again...
No one is defending DG this season. You’re overstating this so called legion of staunch or loud DG defenders. Many here are lately. Everywhere I go most fans have always killed DG. You can’t go one day here without seeing multiple dg bashing threads. You’re gonna get your pound of flesh don’t worry. Then you can sharpen the knives for the next poor slob to come through here as GM.
That and not one of these HCs since coughlin will ever coach an nfl team ever again. Judge is probably the next one to shit the bed.
No one is defending DG this season. You’re overstating this so called legion of staunch or loud DG defenders. Many here are lately. Everywhere I go most fans have always killed DG. You can’t go one day here without seeing multiple dg bashing threads. You’re gonna get your pound of flesh don’t worry. Then you can sharpen the knives for the next poor slob to come through here as GM.
Not overstating anything. The defense of DG has been one of the more ridiculous stretches I have seen in NY Giant history.
When he was put in place things started poorly, it was a general defense of NY Giant nation.
Then when the first year results were bad, it became a conspiracy theory on how Eli was forced on him to "win now".
Then when the losses piled up in Year 2, it was the coaches stink so give him more time under a new coaching staff and his own guys.
Then when Judge came into the picture with some positive results, it was they are a "good collaborative team" so let's keep going.
So we are 1-5 again after two months.
Anything weird now?
You know who I liked? The last guy.
Where’s Gettleman’s Bradshaw, Smith, Ross, Boss, Phillips, Thomas, Manningham, Nicks, JPP, Joseph?
Reese picked 10 pretty good players in his first four drafts. I’d sign up for that.
lots of terrible decisions were made that brought the team to this point. The defenders lauded many of those decisions (trades, signings, etc.) - while other first guessed them as questionable.
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DG didn't have a fairly vocal supporting cast here.
They may have been just clueless NYG homers and not have used the word great, but it was very clear as to their views.
He didn’t have fan boys. But I’d imagine he had fans that wanted to give him a chance. Why would a fan base root against the new lead of their GM?
The way you’re wording things is that he had dug in advocates. I don’t recall any.
Yes, he had dug in advocates. They are fairly quiet these days.
However, if the NYG win the next 2 games they will come out again so you have a chance to find them again...
Name them. Who were they? I’ve been on this site 14 years. Don’t recall any “in gettleman we trust” handles.
There’s another character named Dimes something or rather who thinks the Giants are 3 players from being serious contenders.
There’s another character named Dimes something or rather who thinks the Giants are 3 players from being serious contenders.
This. We literally had a poster named GettleDogMan.
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DG didn't have a fairly vocal supporting cast here.
They may have been just clueless NYG homers and not have used the word great, but it was very clear as to their views.
He didn’t have fan boys. But I’d imagine he had fans that wanted to give him a chance. Why would a fan base root against the new lead of their GM?
The way you’re wording things is that he had dug in advocates. I don’t recall any.
Yes, he had dug in advocates. They are fairly quiet these days.
However, if the NYG win the next 2 games they will come out again so you have a chance to find them again...
Name them. Who were they? I’ve been on this site 14 years. Don’t recall any “in gettleman we trust” handles.
There were also quite a few apologists who have blamed all of Gettleman's failures on Jerry Reese. Fortunately, now that it's year four, those have dried up.
I like FMIC. But magically the guy who stanned for Gettelman for several years suddenly decided not to post here any more. Weird timing.