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Daniel Jones decision time is fast approaching..

Sean : 10/17/2021 3:15 pm
Are you committing a second, more expensive contract to him? Increasingly, I think this team needs a clean slate at QB. Economics matter, and Jones rookie contract is almost up with nothing to show for it.
Don't we have two more years to worry about this?  
adamg : 10/17/2021 3:16 pm : link
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They are going to pick up the 5th year option  
Ben in Tampa : 10/17/2021 3:16 pm : link
And he is going to be the starter next year
I habe big of a Jones supporter as anyone  
nygiants16 : 10/17/2021 3:16 pm : link
wanting to gice him the entire year, but it is getting late quick and at this point he is terrible
JOnes  
family progtitioner : 10/17/2021 3:16 pm : link
probably not. SB, definite no
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broadbandz : 10/17/2021 3:16 pm : link
yeah we need a rookie starting with this line and recievers. That will work out.c
You can’t force a QB in a bad Quarterback draft  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/17/2021 3:17 pm : link
I think you need to building your lines through this upcoming draft, especially at Edge. You bring back Jones, and let him sink or swim next year, before you decide.
No.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2021 3:18 pm : link
Then again I am half in the bag. Or, as I call it, as football wise as DG.
YES it is  
giantstock : 10/17/2021 3:18 pm : link
But damn this whole team sucks.

The whole team.
There aren’t good qbs this draft  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/17/2021 3:19 pm : link
I think he’s here one more year.
I give him another year  
Anakim : 10/17/2021 3:20 pm : link
He should get next year under a new coaching staff and GM
Keep him  
GiantSteps : 10/17/2021 3:21 pm : link
What better alternative is there? From what I’ve heard, the upcoming draft isn’t really all that exciting, re: QB. Use those picks for other positions of need.
If they pass on Matt Corral to keep Jones  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 3:23 pm : link
They deserve what they get.
I wouldn't condemn Jones on todays failures.  
TLong : 10/17/2021 3:23 pm : link
!. The first two fumbles were the fault of the O.L
2. He should not be playing today. Blame the coaches for that. He is not sharp. Blame concussion.
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darren in pdx : 10/17/2021 3:30 pm : link
there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
RE: Is  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15417314 darren in pdx said:
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there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.


Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.

The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
I’m still not forcing a QB pick  
Everyone Relax : 10/17/2021 3:37 pm : link
Take the best OL and edge
Danny is tough and is a good athlete  
Vanzetti : 10/17/2021 3:43 pm : link
But he is quite clearly not the giants QB of the future
To me the decision point  
JB_in_DC : 10/17/2021 3:43 pm : link
isn't Jones vs any drafted QB. It's about the evaluation of the drafted QB. Can he be a top ten QB in the league? Can he win? They can't keep forcing things.
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Walnut : 10/17/2021 3:51 pm : link
He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.

Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
Can’t judge Jones?  
Sean : 10/17/2021 3:54 pm : link
He’s 9-23 as a starter.
I don't see the consistent ceiling with Jones either, but  
widmerseyebrow : 10/17/2021 3:55 pm : link
I also don't want to force picking a QB high again for the sake of picking a QB. That's what landed us Jones at #6.

If there aren't any quarterbacks worthy of our first rounder, go BPA (EXCLUDING running back). Hopefully we're talking defenders and linemen.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/17/2021 3:57 pm : link
I don't think we can exercise the fifth year option unless he finishes the year really strong.

I'm fine with him starting next year if there's no better option.
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cosmicj : 10/17/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15417496 Walnut said:
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He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.

Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones


Darnold isn’t dominating. Lol.
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Scooter185 : 10/17/2021 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15417539 cosmicj said:
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He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.

Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones



Darnold isn’t dominating. Lol.


Even if he was, keeping a player who's not working, out of fear he may be better elsewhere isn't good reasoning
Regressing  
Spider43 : 10/17/2021 4:55 pm : link
To the mean.
No chance  
Mook80 : 10/17/2021 4:57 pm : link
I'm giving him a 2nd contract now.

I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.

The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.

Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
Prolific at turning the ball over  
Metnut : 10/17/2021 4:59 pm : link
Can’t stay healthy yet isn’t effective unless he runs the ball a lot.
Bring him back in '22  
JonC : 10/17/2021 5:03 pm : link
but I need to see a significant finish in '21 in order to pick up his option.

Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.
JonC  
bc4life : 10/17/2021 5:04 pm : link
Have any vets in mind?
RE: No chance  
RobThailand : 10/17/2021 5:08 pm : link
You said the name.In comment 15417814 Mook80 said:
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I'm giving him a 2nd contract now.

I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.

The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.

Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
bc  
JonC : 10/17/2021 5:11 pm : link
Usual suspects as stop-gaps : Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, Bridgewater, even Dalton. To push Jones legitimately and try to generate additional improvement.
Can’t bring him back.  
GoDeep13 : 10/17/2021 5:14 pm : link
Simply because of money and window. We need every level of this team on the same schedule. GM/HC/QB. Wipe the slate clean.
RE: bc  
Producer : 10/17/2021 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15417855 JonC said:
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Usual suspects as stop-gaps : Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, Bridgewater, even Dalton. To push Jones legitimately and try to generate additional improvement.


all those guys stink. We already have one from that tier, and he's starting for us. I'm ok bringing one in as a stop gap for the inevitable Jones injury, but they need to be scouring the college ranks and identify someone they want in either this draft or the next one.
RE: Can’t bring him back.  
Mook80 : 10/17/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15417869 GoDeep13 said:
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Simply because of money and window. We need every level of this team on the same schedule. GM/HC/QB. Wipe the slate clean.


What window?

You can certainly bring him back for next season but not pick up his 5th year option. That's what I would do.

Forcing a QB pick in the 1st round next year would be a disaster. They reached for Jones (to be fair I didn't hate the pick) because they needed a QB.

Don't reach for players, regardless of position
2022 qb class  
JonC : 10/17/2021 5:19 pm : link
Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.
The fumble on him was on Peart  
gtt350 : 10/17/2021 5:23 pm : link
the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones
Why not trade Jones this offseason and get something for him?  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 5:24 pm : link
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RE: 2022 qb class  
Producer : 10/17/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15417889 JonC said:
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.


a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.

If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.
RE: Why not trade Jones this offseason and get something for him?  
Producer : 10/17/2021 5:25 pm : link
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What are we gonna get? A third?
RE: RE: 2022 qb class  
Angel Eyes : 10/17/2021 5:25 pm : link
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.



a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.

If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.

How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?
RE: RE: Is  
PatersonPlank : 10/17/2021 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15417322 Go Terps said:
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there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.



Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.

The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.


I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.

I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
RE: RE: RE: Is  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15417912 PatersonPlank said:
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there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.



Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.

The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.



I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.

I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).


Your track record here speaks for itself.
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Producer : 10/17/2021 5:26 pm : link
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.



a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.

If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.


How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?


Better than Jones. Herbert is better in every single facet of the game than Jones.
RE: RE: Can’t bring him back.  
GoDeep13 : 10/17/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15417882 Mook80 said:
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Simply because of money and window. We need every level of this team on the same schedule. GM/HC/QB. Wipe the slate clean.



What window?

You can certainly bring him back for next season but not pick up his 5th year option. That's what I would do.

Forcing a QB pick in the 1st round next year would be a disaster. They reached for Jones (to be fair I didn't hate the pick) because they needed a QB.

Don't reach for players, regardless of position
Gettleman is as good as gone. The next GM should have full say on his HC, and the HC should have full day on his QB. Nothing Jones (or Judge for that matter) has done should keep him hear under a new GM. To straddle another GM or HC with judge would be repeating past mistakes.
RE: Why not trade Jones this offseason and get something for him?  
giantstock : 10/17/2021 5:44 pm : link
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Sure.

You do that then everyone else you need to trade to that isn't very young. Which is fine.
RE: Bring him back in '22  
Section331 : 10/17/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15417828 JonC said:
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but I need to see a significant finish in '21 in order to pick up his option.

Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.


Don’t they have to make the option decision this off-season?
RE: The fumble on him was on Peart  
The_Boss : 10/17/2021 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15417902 gtt350 said:
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the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones


Bullshit

2 were on Jones.

RE: The fumble on him was on Peart  
Section331 : 10/17/2021 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15417902 gtt350 said:
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the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones


Jesus Christ. Engram was triple covered and the interceptor was 3 yards in front of him, but yeah, blame him for the AWFUL decision Jones made.

The excuses some here make for Jones has gone from ridiculous to all out absurd.
RE: RE: RE: 2022 qb class  
Section331 : 10/17/2021 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15417911 Angel Eyes said:
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.



a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.

If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.


How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?


Solder didn’t play last year. You want to compare Jones’s 2020 numbers with Herbert’s?
It’s over for Jones.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2021 6:03 pm : link
He’s not getting his option picked up and the best he can hope for is to compete for the starting job next season.
RE: RE: The fumble on him was on Peart  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/17/2021 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15418003 The_Boss said:
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the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones



Bullshit

2 were on Jones.


Jones definitely was responsible for both picks. Again, the argument could be made that the poor play from the OLine caused him to force the ball, but both picks were from bad decisions with the football.
RE: RE: Bring him back in '22  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15418000 Section331 said:
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but I need to see a significant finish in '21 in order to pick up his option.

Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.



Don’t they have to make the option decision this off-season?


They do. The Giants aren't making the playoffs this year...there is no difference to this season of Jones or Glennon is the QB. Game out the most likely scenario beyond that - what are the odds Jones gets another contract here?

The forward thinking move is to trade Jones as soon as possible.
Yes they do  
JonC : 10/17/2021 6:08 pm : link
and barring a significant finish to this season, I remain inclined to decline.

He would still be here in 2022, barring ab unexpected trade or very unexpected release.
RE: RE: RE: Is  
bw in dc : 10/17/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15417912 PatersonPlank said:
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I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).


What can't Corral do that Jones is doing?

Corral has a better arm. He's a better scrambler. Throws on the run better. And he's a better runner.

Jones is taller - I'll give you that...
RE: If they pass on Matt Corral to keep Jones  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/17/2021 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15417238 Go Terps said:
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They deserve what they get.


You put Corral here with this team the result is the same.
presuming the season ends  
fkap : 10/17/2021 8:57 pm : link
with no clearer a picture on Jones than we have now, I would:

- pass on the option

- plan on DJ as the stopgap QB. Don't waste money on bringing in some other wannabe starter who isn't likely to be any better than DJ. DJ's salary is guaranteed for 22. At worst, he's a viable backup.

- IF a better draft prospect or FA presents itself, jump on him.

- Do NOT panic and reach for a draft prospect or FA just because his name isn't Dan Jones.
RE: The fumble on him was on Peart  
BillKo : 10/17/2021 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15417902 gtt350 said:
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the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones


Where I was sittng, looked like a forced throw into triple coverage. So two INTs were on him.

Big issue I saw today after that the first option is predetermined and if it's not there - there's no scanning the field. And sometimes the first option is awful.

Tough way to play QB.

It would be really interesting to swap out some of our other noted QBs and see exactly what they'd do in this offense.

But agree with the title, DJ is running out of time.
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