Are you committing a second, more expensive contract to him? Increasingly, I think this team needs a clean slate at QB. Economics matter, and Jones rookie contract is almost up with nothing to show for it.
I think you need to building your lines through this upcoming draft, especially at Edge. You bring back Jones, and let him sink or swim next year, before you decide.
What better alternative is there? From what I’ve heard, the upcoming draft isn’t really all that exciting, re: QB. Use those picks for other positions of need.
there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
isn't Jones vs any drafted QB. It's about the evaluation of the drafted QB. Can he be a top ten QB in the league? Can he win? They can't keep forcing things.
He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
Darnold isn’t dominating. Lol.
Even if he was, keeping a player who's not working, out of fear he may be better elsewhere isn't good reasoning
I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.
The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.
Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
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I'm giving him a 2nd contract now.
I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.
The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.
Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
Usual suspects as stop-gaps : Foles, Tyrod, Brissett, Bridgewater, even Dalton. To push Jones legitimately and try to generate additional improvement.
all those guys stink. We already have one from that tier, and he's starting for us. I'm ok bringing one in as a stop gap for the inevitable Jones injury, but they need to be scouring the college ranks and identify someone they want in either this draft or the next one.
there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
Simply because of money and window. We need every level of this team on the same schedule. GM/HC/QB. Wipe the slate clean.
What window?
You can certainly bring him back for next season but not pick up his 5th year option. That's what I would do.
Forcing a QB pick in the 1st round next year would be a disaster. They reached for Jones (to be fair I didn't hate the pick) because they needed a QB.
Don't reach for players, regardless of position
Gettleman is as good as gone. The next GM should have full say on his HC, and the HC should have full day on his QB. Nothing Jones (or Judge for that matter) has done should keep him hear under a new GM. To straddle another GM or HC with judge would be repeating past mistakes.
RE: Why not trade Jones this offseason and get something for him?
the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones
Bullshit
2 were on Jones.
Jones definitely was responsible for both picks. Again, the argument could be made that the poor play from the OLine caused him to force the ball, but both picks were from bad decisions with the football.
but I need to see a significant finish in '21 in order to pick up his option.
Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.
Don’t they have to make the option decision this off-season?
They do. The Giants aren't making the playoffs this year...there is no difference to this season of Jones or Glennon is the QB. Game out the most likely scenario beyond that - what are the odds Jones gets another contract here?
The forward thinking move is to trade Jones as soon as possible.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
What can't Corral do that Jones is doing?
Corral has a better arm. He's a better scrambler. Throws on the run better. And he's a better runner.
with no clearer a picture on Jones than we have now, I would:
- pass on the option
- plan on DJ as the stopgap QB. Don't waste money on bringing in some other wannabe starter who isn't likely to be any better than DJ. DJ's salary is guaranteed for 22. At worst, he's a viable backup.
- IF a better draft prospect or FA presents itself, jump on him.
- Do NOT panic and reach for a draft prospect or FA just because his name isn't Dan Jones.
the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones
Where I was sittng, looked like a forced throw into triple coverage. So two INTs were on him.
Big issue I saw today after that the first option is predetermined and if it's not there - there's no scanning the field. And sometimes the first option is awful.
Tough way to play QB.
It would be really interesting to swap out some of our other noted QBs and see exactly what they'd do in this offense.
But agree with the title, DJ is running out of time.
The whole team.
2. He should not be playing today. Blame the coaches for that. He is not sharp. Blame concussion.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
If there aren't any quarterbacks worthy of our first rounder, go BPA (EXCLUDING running back). Hopefully we're talking defenders and linemen.
I'm fine with him starting next year if there's no better option.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
Darnold isn’t dominating. Lol.
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He's injured and has no weapons. Can't judge him until he has a real offensive line, WRs, and a RB.
Don't want another Daurnold situation where they give up on him too soon and he goes onto dominate. They need to spend the next 2 years assembling a good offense around Jones
Darnold isn’t dominating. Lol.
Even if he was, keeping a player who's not working, out of fear he may be better elsewhere isn't good reasoning
I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.
The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.
Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.
I'd bring him back for next season but also be on the lookout for a replacement. They should not, however, force a pick of a QB in the first round. Thsi year doesn't look like the year to need a QB. I don't think he's the answer but because of circumstances I would give him next year.
The Giants right now are further away from contending than they were when Gettleman was hired. That's something that should have been nearly impossible to accomplish, but Gettleman has.
Worst GM/Coach this organization has had at least since I've been alive. He couldn't wipe Ray Handley's ass
all those guys stink. We already have one from that tier, and he's starting for us. I'm ok bringing one in as a stop gap for the inevitable Jones injury, but they need to be scouring the college ranks and identify someone they want in either this draft or the next one.
What window?
You can certainly bring him back for next season but not pick up his 5th year option. That's what I would do.
Forcing a QB pick in the 1st round next year would be a disaster. They reached for Jones (to be fair I didn't hate the pick) because they needed a QB.
Don't reach for players, regardless of position
One interception on Jones
a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.
If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.
What are we gonna get? A third?
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.
a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.
If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.
How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?
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there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
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there a QB in the upcoming draft that is clearly better than Jones? That's a serious question. If there is, you take them and pray they aren't a bust and figure out how to rebuild an entire roster around one player. Thomas is the only player worth anything on this team. Toney looks good on the field, but it's pretty easy to assume that he's going to be yet another player that misses multiple games a year. This franchise is hopeless.
Matt Corral is clearly a better talent. November 6 - Ole Miss v. Liberty. Watch that game and pay close attention to Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis.
The people saying to retain Jones another year...I just can't understand that kind of defeatism.
I completely disagree with this, and I've watched Corral a lot. If he had come out last draft, I'd personally have him 6th, behind Mac Jones, Field, Trevor, Wilson, and Lance.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
Your track record here speaks for itself.
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.
a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.
If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.
How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?
Better than Jones. Herbert is better in every single facet of the game than Jones.
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Simply because of money and window. We need every level of this team on the same schedule. GM/HC/QB. Wipe the slate clean.
What window?
You can certainly bring him back for next season but not pick up his 5th year option. That's what I would do.
Forcing a QB pick in the 1st round next year would be a disaster. They reached for Jones (to be fair I didn't hate the pick) because they needed a QB.
Don't reach for players, regardless of position
Sure.
You do that then everyone else you need to trade to that isn't very young. Which is fine.
Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.
Don’t they have to make the option decision this off-season?
One interception on Jones
Bullshit
2 were on Jones.
One interception on Jones
Jesus Christ. Engram was triple covered and the interceptor was 3 yards in front of him, but yeah, blame him for the AWFUL decision Jones made.
The excuses some here make for Jones has gone from ridiculous to all out absurd.
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Stinks and they're likely to roll with Jones any way, so you challenge him.
a two to three year horizon is reasonable to find the next guy. They can even pick two guys over the next 3 years. The key is to find *the guy*.
If they had selected Herbert last year, in spite of Jones, we wouldn't be in this mess.
How would Herbert be doing with Solder guarding his back?
Solder didn’t play last year. You want to compare Jones’s 2020 numbers with Herbert’s?
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the interceptions were on Engram moving out of the pattern and Sheppard falling down.
One interception on Jones
Bullshit
2 were on Jones.
Jones definitely was responsible for both picks. Again, the argument could be made that the poor play from the OLine caused him to force the ball, but both picks were from bad decisions with the football.
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but I need to see a significant finish in '21 in order to pick up his option.
Otherwise, bring in a vet to compete with Jones and work towards generating more assets to look at 2023 college QBs.
Don’t they have to make the option decision this off-season?
They do. The Giants aren't making the playoffs this year...there is no difference to this season of Jones or Glennon is the QB. Game out the most likely scenario beyond that - what are the odds Jones gets another contract here?
The forward thinking move is to trade Jones as soon as possible.
He would still be here in 2022, barring ab unexpected trade or very unexpected release.
I am no football scout and don't claim to be, just a huge fan of college football, but to claim its "clear" that Corral is better than Jones just sounds to me like someone who is grasping at straws (or doesn't understand what they are looking at).
What can't Corral do that Jones is doing?
Corral has a better arm. He's a better scrambler. Throws on the run better. And he's a better runner.
Jones is taller - I'll give you that...
You put Corral here with this team the result is the same.
- pass on the option
- plan on DJ as the stopgap QB. Don't waste money on bringing in some other wannabe starter who isn't likely to be any better than DJ. DJ's salary is guaranteed for 22. At worst, he's a viable backup.
- IF a better draft prospect or FA presents itself, jump on him.
- Do NOT panic and reach for a draft prospect or FA just because his name isn't Dan Jones.
One interception on Jones
Where I was sittng, looked like a forced throw into triple coverage. So two INTs were on him.
Big issue I saw today after that the first option is predetermined and if it's not there - there's no scanning the field. And sometimes the first option is awful.
Tough way to play QB.
It would be really interesting to swap out some of our other noted QBs and see exactly what they'd do in this offense.
But agree with the title, DJ is running out of time.