but today's a bad game to decide on. He looks to be dealing with symptoms, the OL and defense matched up poorly with the Rams, and the lack of weapons doomed them.
They keep Jones and throw resources at the OL and punt the decision another year. Maybe they sign a vet to actually compete with and push him. Bigger question I see is does DG keep his job, and also which coaches. If not, changes will probably be more sweeping.
What does Jason Garrett have? As for scheme we are without description other than inept. Jones is certainly not playing great today but coming off a concussion I am not surprised. . We will know the full answer on Jones by the end of the season. Garrett has to be gone after this season. At the very least make him the sacrifice like the yankees hitting coach. We are a mess.
but man, today is just complete trash. This team is pathetic.
The oline is a mess, the defense lacks play makers and our scheme on offense is too easy to figure out and too intricate to succeed- ie must be perfect to work.
the physical is actually very good. It is all mental with him. He simply takes too long to process what he is seeing. Can't do that in the NFL. Everything has to be just right for him to have success. In the NFL it never is.
about Jones. I don't think he sucks, but I don't really know how much better he will get. He may be a guy who will really benefit from a new and better OC and QB coach. However, I think we are reaching the point where we can't afford to be the team that finds out.
We are on our way to a likely top 5 pick again. We may have another from the Bears (at least a 10). We can't expect or want to be in that position again, so could be our best shot at getting the future of the franchise. Regardless, I only have optimism if we have a new GM. A new regime is being handed 2 too.picka with a few talented young players on the roster. I wouldn't expect a dramatic 1 year turn around. But, it shouldn't be that huge of an undertaking if they their job.
That said, the same scenario with the current regime and I d expect more shit.
The special teams aren't special. Jones may or may not be the problem, but he doesn't look like he's the solution.
Yes, this offseason may be time for yet another blow-it-up rebuild, from the GM down. Jury's still out on Judge but the arrow is pointing down, so to speak. I'd let the new GM decide.
The best thing for the Giants might be for Joe Judge to take a college job, like USC or LSU.
One more year for DJ. But the coaching staff and GM have to go
3 separate NFL offenses? Not to mention what he ran at Duke. Won't work. I think he had potential in Shurmur's system. He'll be a backup somewhere but he isn't QB1 material. Another playbook would be a significant set back.
But you need to build a solid team around him. He has one really big weakness and it’s that he doesn’t feel the pressure well. Jones cut down the turnovers big time when Andrew Thomas started playing better at LT last year. With his blind side protected, Jones started to show why he was drafted so high. Football is a team sport, and recently myths have been created that franchise QBs carry teams to Super Bowls. It’s not the case. Build to your QB’s strengths.
Have some weapons - need to shore the right side of that OLine. Leave Peart in and see what we have. If he or Wilson isn't the answer - you know what's on top of shopping list next year
One more year for DJ. But the coaching staff and GM have to go
This sounds like John Mara levels of idiocy. If you're brining in a new coaching staff and new GM, why wouldn't you let them pick their QB?
If you force QB in a bad QB draft you end up with Jones instead of Herbert. Drafting for need is why they are where they are.
I agree with this. We need a lot and can't force a #1 pick. Take what the draft gives us, where the talent is. If that means Jones gets another year, then so be it. I've seen some good college players coming out this year, but no QBs.
Now is the Jones the guy, I'm not sold. However I'm not forcing the QB pick, I don't want the next Rosen, Haskins, or Trubisky (which is exactly what happened to the Bears and Trubisky)
If no QB stands out amongst the '22 draft class find a good bridge QB for a year. Plus who knows what kind of shuffling is going to happen after the season. They don't have to draft a QB next year, but that also doesn't mean Jones has to stay either
Drafting Matt Corral in the first round is not "forcing the pick". Maybe he gets hurt between now and the draft, or something else comes up...but right now picking Corral in round 1 would be a fine use of the pick.
You know what's worse than forcing the pick? Entering 2022 with another "Jones gets the year to see if he's the guy" situation.
It's far more damaging to throw away years waiting for the wrong guy. That's what we are doing with Jones.
May not have a Lawrence, Luck, or Peyton-caliber prospect, but I definitely think they'd be able to choose from 2 or 3 QBs who'd be likely upgrades over Jones
Drafting Matt Corral in the first round is not "forcing the pick". Maybe he gets hurt between now and the draft, or something else comes up...but right now picking Corral in round 1 would be a fine use of the pick.
You know what's worse than forcing the pick? Entering 2022 with another "Jones gets the year to see if he's the guy" situation.
It's far more damaging to throw away years waiting for the wrong guy. That's what we are doing with Jones.
Seems to have worked out for the Jets
The man suffered a concussion, then throws three picks
the following week. Gosh, I wonder why? How the hell can anyone be surprised?! WTF. He shouldn't be out there. I liked Joe Judge, but putting Jones out there a week later, was not only stupid but also put him at greater risk of injury. The whole damn staff has to go. DG, JJ the whole lot.
the following week. Gosh, I wonder why? How the hell can anyone be surprised?! WTF. He shouldn't be out there. I liked Joe Judge, but putting Jones out there a week later, was not only stupid but also put him at greater risk of injury. The whole damn staff has to go. DG, JJ the whole lot.
The concussion wasn’t causing him to stare down the receiver and not see defenders. stop this bullshit excuse making it’s embarrassing
RE: The man suffered a concussion, then throws three picks
the following week. Gosh, I wonder why? How the hell can anyone be surprised?! WTF. He shouldn't be out there. I liked Joe Judge, but putting Jones out there a week later, was not only stupid but also put him at greater risk of injury. The whole damn staff has to go. DG, JJ the whole lot.
It doesn't matter who the QB is with Judge as HC and Garrett as OC, considering how negligently they've treated Jones
We need a new GM and HC and whatever they decide with Jones, I'll go with. If the new coach and GM want their own QB, that's fine because they deserve that
RE: RE: The man suffered a concussion, then throws three picks
the following week. Gosh, I wonder why? How the hell can anyone be surprised?! WTF. He shouldn't be out there. I liked Joe Judge, but putting Jones out there a week later, was not only stupid but also put him at greater risk of injury. The whole damn staff has to go. DG, JJ the whole lot.
The concussion wasn’t causing him to stare down the receiver and not see defenders. stop this bullshit excuse making it’s embarrassing
And the whole team sucks.
Who can the Giants get?
This sounds like John Mara levels of idiocy. If you're brining in a new coaching staff and new GM, why wouldn't you let them pick their QB?
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One more year for DJ. But the coaching staff and GM have to go
This sounds like John Mara levels of idiocy. If you're brining in a new coaching staff and new GM, why wouldn't you let them pick their QB?
If you force QB in a bad QB draft you end up with Jones instead of Herbert. Drafting for need is why they are where they are.
The oline is a mess, the defense lacks play makers and our scheme on offense is too easy to figure out and too intricate to succeed- ie must be perfect to work.
We are on our way to a likely top 5 pick again. We may have another from the Bears (at least a 10). We can't expect or want to be in that position again, so could be our best shot at getting the future of the franchise. Regardless, I only have optimism if we have a new GM. A new regime is being handed 2 too.picka with a few talented young players on the roster. I wouldn't expect a dramatic 1 year turn around. But, it shouldn't be that huge of an undertaking if they their job.
That said, the same scenario with the current regime and I d expect more shit.
2 more years? You’ve got to be kidding. Hey, let’s give him 10, you just never know.
Oh God no
This!
Yeah true but he's not even a good cast member. Nice kid and it's a shame but all he does is lose
Yes, this offseason may be time for yet another blow-it-up rebuild, from the GM down. Jury's still out on Judge but the arrow is pointing down, so to speak. I'd let the new GM decide.
The best thing for the Giants might be for Joe Judge to take a college job, like USC or LSU.
3 separate NFL offenses? Not to mention what he ran at Duke. Won't work. I think he had potential in Shurmur's system. He'll be a backup somewhere but he isn't QB1 material. Another playbook would be a significant set back.
Look at the OL, DL and LB in the top 10.
IMO
Have some weapons - need to shore the right side of that OLine. Leave Peart in and see what we have. If he or Wilson isn't the answer - you know what's on top of shopping list next year
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One more year for DJ. But the coaching staff and GM have to go
This sounds like John Mara levels of idiocy. If you're brining in a new coaching staff and new GM, why wouldn't you let them pick their QB?
If you force QB in a bad QB draft you end up with Jones instead of Herbert. Drafting for need is why they are where they are.
I agree with this. We need a lot and can't force a #1 pick. Take what the draft gives us, where the talent is. If that means Jones gets another year, then so be it. I've seen some good college players coming out this year, but no QBs.
Now is the Jones the guy, I'm not sold. However I'm not forcing the QB pick, I don't want the next Rosen, Haskins, or Trubisky (which is exactly what happened to the Bears and Trubisky)
You know what's worse than forcing the pick? Entering 2022 with another "Jones gets the year to see if he's the guy" situation.
It's far more damaging to throw away years waiting for the wrong guy. That's what we are doing with Jones.
Speaking of draft position, Ray! RAY! Fire up that spreadsheet!
You know what's worse than forcing the pick? Entering 2022 with another "Jones gets the year to see if he's the guy" situation.
It's far more damaging to throw away years waiting for the wrong guy. That's what we are doing with Jones.
Seems to have worked out for the Jets
The concussion wasn’t causing him to stare down the receiver and not see defenders. stop this bullshit excuse making it’s embarrassing
It doesn't matter who the QB is with Judge as HC and Garrett as OC, considering how negligently they've treated Jones
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the following week. Gosh, I wonder why? How the hell can anyone be surprised?! WTF. He shouldn't be out there. I liked Joe Judge, but putting Jones out there a week later, was not only stupid but also put him at greater risk of injury. The whole damn staff has to go. DG, JJ the whole lot.
The concussion wasn’t causing him to stare down the receiver and not see defenders. stop this bullshit excuse making it’s embarrassing
You are clueless.
back says "They love me...They love me not"
The injuries are the reason he threw the ball directly to the defense twice?