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The only way to fix this team, is to take control away...

EricJ : 10/17/2021 3:45 pm
from John Mara. He is involved in too many important decisions and too many of his decisions have been wrong (coach/GM). He is involved too much or he is relying on the advice of old school has-beens like Acorsi when it comes to hiring.

We will never know for sure, but it is my belief that Judge was forced to hire Garrett as an OC/mentor.

So, I see in some of these threads.. fire DG, fire Judge, fire Garrett. However, all that does is give the fan base false hope. There is too much wrong with EVERYTHING and one firing cannot make a difference.

This is about the fact that this organization is behind the times in so many ways. There is NO WAY we can be this bad year after year without the problem being the person at the very top.

A few weeks ago, I saw a youtube video. Contained within was a conversation between Belichik and Brady. They were at Metlife stadium. While Belichik was praising the organization, he also told Brady that when he comes back, he sees the same people that were here decades ago. He said they never fire anyone other than coaches. The both laughed at that and my guess is they forgot they were mic'ed.

I know this is meaningless and petty... but even the Giants website does not work well. Everything they touch.
Cmara@giants.nfl.net or Chris.mara@giants.nfl.net  
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Cmara@giants.nfl.net or Chris.mara@giants.nfl.net
You can’t take control away from Mara  
BillT : 10/17/2021 3:53 pm : link
Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.
RE: You can’t take control away from Mara  
Giantsfan79 : 10/17/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15417509 BillT said:
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.


clearly BBI should seize control of the front office and run it by committee.
RE: You can’t take control away from Mara  
EricJ : 10/17/2021 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15417509 BillT said:
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.


No.. hopefully some self awareness that he is the problem. Then, reach out to someone NOT already linked to the organization for help. Then, step completely away
RE: You can’t take control away from Mara  
81_Great_Dane : 10/17/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15417509 BillT said:
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.
He can choose his role. He can decide to let someone else run the football operation and limit his role to high-level business decisions. Or just go sit on a beach somewhere and cash checks.
RE: RE: You can’t take control away from Mara  
BillT : 10/17/2021 3:57 pm : link
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.



No.. hopefully some self awareness that he is the problem. Then, reach out to someone NOT already linked to the organization for help. Then, step completely away

Then he’s still the person who picks the person who gets control. Same thing. Same bad idea.
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EricJ : 10/17/2021 3:59 pm : link
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.



No.. hopefully some self awareness that he is the problem. Then, reach out to someone NOT already linked to the organization for help. Then, step completely away


Then he’s still the person who picks the person who gets control. Same thing. Same bad idea.


back in the 70's the league told the Mara's they were going to hire George Young.

If it is a bad idea, then I do not know how allowing Mara to pick another GM on his own is a good idea. Calling for DG or Judge to be fired now is pointless.
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BillT : 10/17/2021 4:01 pm : link
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Because he is the person who has to pick the person to give control to. What? Are you going to have Tisch pick a guy.



No.. hopefully some self awareness that he is the problem. Then, reach out to someone NOT already linked to the organization for help. Then, step completely away


Then he’s still the person who picks the person who gets control. Same thing. Same bad idea.



back in the 70's the league told the Mara's they were going to hire George Young.

If it is a bad idea, then I do not know how allowing Mara to pick another GM on his own is a good idea. Calling for DG or Judge to be fired now is pointless.

That was because the other owner objected. You think Tisch is going to the commissioner.
RE: RE: You can’t take control away from Mara  
Bill in UT : 10/17/2021 4:10 pm : link
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No.. hopefully some self awareness that he is the problem. Then, reach out to someone NOT already linked to the organization for help. Then, step completely away


Self-awareness? Mara is a guy who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple
You're probably right about Mara  
Debaser : 10/17/2021 8:36 pm : link
buy why do you think Garrett is such a bad coach hire?

He is not great but there is more to this team being 1-9 than Garrett. I doubt Mara got a lot of say over this horrible roster. He OK'ed barkley , Jones and Garrett. 90% of people like the jones and barley yet want to asct like garrett of all things is thre reason this roster is horrible
maybe BB was joking about...  
BillKo : 10/17/2021 8:53 pm : link
...guys who clean the building and take care of the equipment perhaps?
Look  
djm : 10/17/2021 9:11 pm : link
No one wants to point a bullseye on Mara more than I do, believe me. But, and this is a big one, we don’t know for sure when Mara is or isn’t making the wrong decision or any decision. I want to know, really i do, I want to sit here and know for certain that Mara is the big bad wolf pulling all the wrong strings. What do we really know for sure? We throw out all these statements trying to conjure up that just right magical mic drop proclamation, but we really don’t know the true story. I mean belichick saying they don’t fire anyone other than coaches is flat out false. They have fired GMs and front office executives. Scouts have come and gone. Again, this not a defense of Mara. I WANT to hate him right now. I want to know he’s the reason why. But you know what’s even scarier? That Mara isn’t necessarily the problem. Maybe he IS willing to let someone else hire the HC. Maybe he is willing to let a magic 8 ball pick the next GM and or HC. And maybe they still get it wrong. Maybe we’re always gonna be 1 player away from good. Or 3. And maybe we never find that guy until the football gods say ok it’s time.

There are an awful lot of insiders here saying Mara does this and Mara does that. All we know for sure is it isn’t working, but to say we know the details of every reason why.... we don’t.

Lastly, Mara has to make that first hire no matter what some of you are dreaming up. If he gets that one wrong it’s always going to be ugly. Now he’s gonna hire an “outside” GM and let him pick his own guy, and this guarantees nothing.
EricJ  
Go Terps : 10/17/2021 9:19 pm : link
I think about that Belichick comment now and then. A perfect summation of the Giants mode of operation.
My gut tells me  
djm : 10/17/2021 9:20 pm : link
That Mara would fire anyone if he felt it was necessary. I don’t think Mara is afraid to fire anyone. Nor do I think he’s too loyal. My concerns with Mara stem from a belief that he’s way too invested in the PR side of things and is way too concerned with media speak or influence. I also think he’s simply bad at identifying talent and HC ability. Lastly, I think he would rather play it safe than bring in a player or coach that ruffles feathers. And he got lucky that beckham fell apart physically because I’m inclined to believe that he wanted to trade him for all the wrong reasons.

RE: EricJ  
djm : 10/17/2021 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15418548 Go Terps said:
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I think about that Belichick comment now and then. A perfect summation of the Giants mode of operation.


This is not an argumentative comeback at all, but is it really true? Haven’t the giants virtually turned over the entire operation since Reese and coughlin were dumped? Or am I mistaken? Some scouts surely remain but we know Mark ross isn’t here anymore. Same with Reese. Obviously Chris Mara is.

I guess my question is, what if we hired a guy like Sean McVay a few years back? Is he flourishing here? Maybe that’s the million dollar question.
The Mara's are an issue  
uconngiant : 10/17/2021 9:42 pm : link
They are overly loyal, which is a good trait but in football it isn't much of the time.

The owners need to step back and let professionals not named Gettleman run the team
RE: The Mara's are an issue  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/17/2021 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15418585 uconngiant said:
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They are overly loyal, which is a good trait but in football it isn't much of the time.

The owners need to step back and let professionals not named Gettleman run the team


Goes back to Jim Lee Howell.
Are they really overly loyal?  
djm : 10/17/2021 11:17 pm : link
They’ve fired more people than anyone over the last 5 years. I keep hearing it, not sure I believe it.
6 years  
djm : 10/17/2021 11:17 pm : link
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