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What if the best mechanic in your town became CEO of Toyota?

cpgiants : 10/17/2021 6:50 pm
He would resonate with hard working blue collar people.
He would be plain spoken.
He would preach accountability.
He would appear confident and tough.
He would dazzle you with technical knowledge of certain specific aspects of the product.

And he would run the organization into the fucking ground!!!!
Because he has no experience running an organization.
And you really never had any reason to believe he would have been good at what you hired him to do!!!!

This is what we have here. Judge could be my special teams coach anyday.. but we need someone who has experienced success in the role we are hiring him to do.

Otherwise it's like buying a lottery ticket, and hope is not a plan.

He had me though, from the first press conference.

And he does seem like a great dude.

I was duped.
Dude we're KIA  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/17/2021 6:54 pm : link
at best.

Toyota he says...
AMC  
cjac : 10/17/2021 6:57 pm : link
Gremlin

That’s what I saw today
Judge looks overmatched every week  
Breeze_94 : 10/17/2021 6:57 pm : link
Being “tough, physical and hard nosed” only does so much for you in the NFL.

No idea how to deploy his personnel, no creativity on the offensive side of the ball, and flat out awful situational and game management.

It’s easy to say the right things, a lot more difficult to actually go out and do them.

The Giants did take a lottery ticket on Judge...he interviewed great and swept them off their feet. The same way he won over the fan base with his press conferences. But when it comes time to show it instead of talk about it, this guy has delivered nothing.
So the only coaches you could ever hire are ones that have had  
BestFeature : 10/17/2021 6:59 pm : link
experience coaching before? So no one would ever become a head coach if every organization did this.
horrible analogy..  
EricJ : 10/17/2021 7:08 pm : link
...
Judge may be a bad head coach,  
Mad Mike : 10/17/2021 7:08 pm : link
but this is a failure of an analogy.
RE: AMC  
Jim in Tampa : 10/17/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15418145 cjac said:
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Gremlin

That’s what I saw today

The 1973 AMC Gremlin-X was my first car.

Mellow yellow with an orange racing stripe and a V-8 engine.

Cost $3,000.
RE: RE: AMC  
smshmth8690 : 10/17/2021 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15418175 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 15418145 cjac said:


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Gremlin

That’s what I saw today


The 1973 AMC Gremlin-X was my first car.

Mellow yellow with an orange racing stripe and a V-8 engine.

Cost $3,000.


With the best gas cap ever.
we're a Pinto with the explosive gas tank  
markky : 10/17/2021 7:56 pm : link
one hit and the whole thing blows up
Have to hand it to judge though. Very good verbal skills.  
Giant John : 10/17/2021 8:24 pm : link
Head football coach? Not so much…
Submarine mechanic to Sub Captain might work better  
ghost718 : 10/17/2021 8:35 pm : link
.
The team is snake bitten  
UberAlias : 10/17/2021 8:38 pm : link
The rosters on the field the last two weeks were miles apart. Fans don’t get that.
In all fairness  
cactus : 10/17/2021 8:56 pm : link
the team sucks

Judge was yelling "watch the fake" clearly on TV
yet they leave a guy wide open on the side

How is that the coach's fault
RE: In all fairness  
trueblueinpw : 10/17/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15418510 cactus said:
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the team sucks

Judge was yelling "watch the fake" clearly on TV
yet they leave a guy wide open on the side

How is that the coach's fault


Because he’s the coach and he’s responsible for the play on the field. And because he could have and should called a time out when he saw the gunner was uncovered. Especially knowing how frequently Hecker throws the ball. Judge isn’t some moop in the stands. (Though he probably should be).
Judge may not be great  
bwitz : 10/17/2021 9:51 pm : link
But he’s hardly the main reason this team sucks. That falls squarely on The Mara’s, Tisch’s and Gettleman.
RE: RE: In all fairness  
Bergen346 : 10/17/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15418591 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 15418510 cactus said:


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the team sucks

Judge was yelling "watch the fake" clearly on TV
yet they leave a guy wide open on the side

How is that the coach's fault



Because he’s the coach and he’s responsible for the play on the field. And because he could have and should called a time out when he saw the gunner was uncovered. Especially knowing how frequently Hecker throws the ball. Judge isn’t some moop in the stands. (Though he probably should be).


I saw this too. He was immediately calling for the fake as soon as the third down play was over. I think the gunner was on the opposite side of the field, so Judge probably didn’t see him uncovered. Unless I am remembering that incorrectly. If he was on the Giants sideline than yes I agree that is inexcusable to not call a T.O.
Remember Frank Gansz?  
cosmicj : 10/17/2021 10:54 pm : link
A terrific special teams coach. Lamar Hunt got such a good vibe about him that he made Gansz the Chiefs’ head coach. Gansz won 4 games in 1987 and 1988. He was fired and then went back to being an excellent special teams coach, including helping Martz and the Rams win it all in 1999.

That story really puts the Judge hire in perspective. ST is an ancillary function, no matter what anyone says.
The problem with Judge  
AdamBrag : 10/17/2021 11:56 pm : link
seems to be that he's not self aware. He doesn't seem to know what he's good at and where his weaknesses are.

The use of timeouts are consistently terrible, including today. The Giants took a timeout on defense when it was 3rd and inches on the Giants side of the field and then again on 1st and Goal from the 1. This is inexcusable. They just aren't gaining much from these timeouts. He needs to realize that he should have his analytics team figure out when is good to take timeouts and then assign a coach to managing timeouts in game.

There are likely a ton of examples like this.

RE: Dude we're KIA  
BMac : 10/18/2021 8:48 am : link
In comment 15418140 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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at best.

Toyota he says...


KIA is a better value than Toyota.
When you hire a guy like Judge  
JB_in_DC : 10/18/2021 9:11 am : link
so much of the hire - too much of the hire - becomes about the interview. His ability to sell himself. This isn't Coughlin who has years of success as a head coach . This isn't a hot Offensive Coordinator where you can look at tape of an innovative scheme. This is a guy who coached specials under Belichick with fantastic ST players like Slater.

Its a process that requires too much projection made by a brain trust that has proven over a decade they don't really know what to look for.

Maras are always breaking the cardinal sin of fighting the last war. McAdoo is a buffoon so we need an adult in the room. Hire Shurmur. Shurmur isn't a Leader of Men, sounds weak in press conferences and on the phone with fucking Francesa. So you fire him and hire Judge on the basis of his communication ability. Its a sad situation. But at least at Toyota you have a Board that has plenty of people who didn't inherit their positions on the Board because of their last name to make the next decision. Giants fans aren't so lucky.
I'll jump right on the bandwagon of BBI doom.  
jsuds : 10/18/2021 9:28 am : link
Of course the Mara's, Getty, and Judge are to blame for the injuries. Therefore the Mara's must sell the team. Judge, Getty and everyone employee associated with football ops need to be immediately fired. Everyone of any value should be traded to the Eagles and all old vets should be cut. The stadium should be torn down ad rebuilt to be more like the Dallas stadium or the original Meadowlands. All PSL holders should meet at the final game and burn their PSL's as protest. Then maybe something will change.
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