Is This The Worst Giants Team Of Your Lifetime?

We were 0-9 by then, and it was only a 14 game schedule.

We were pathetic, no offense at all and just not competitive

In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said:

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So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar.

I wasn't around for the 70s, but honestly, Jones is about on the same tier as Kent Graham to me. Can start games, but is basically a fungible QB who is easily replaced by someone better.

Time. What’s different is there were always at least a few players or HC that had won, were great at one time so you just hoped it would turn around or at least you could watch them. Nowadays you really have to reach to find that and even then….

The 70s were worse bc they never won a Super Bowel. Now we have a few.

In comment 15418355 joeinpa said:

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Check out the 1966 season sometime Scored 41 pts against the Redskins and lost by 32 pts

Exactly...It just feels worse because it's current.

Drafting Tucker Fredrickson. Bad stretch of football.

and lost a game to the Redskins 72-41. Their one victory, 13-10, also came against the Redskins. That was the worst Giants team of my lifetime.

In comment 15418278 Rick Morehouse said:

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For me, but this team has a chance as it’s only week 6

2003 was the worst team and it was a surprise given where the franchise was from 2000-2002. And it helped usher in meaningful franchise altering changes. But this stretch, essentially an entire decade, has been absolutely demoralizing as you can imagine. I’ve never experienced bleak until this period. And what is even more depressing is there are no current indications that things will be any better in 2022 and beyond. That’s terrifying.

In comment 15418428 aquidneck said:

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and lost a game to the Redskins 72-41. Their one victory, 13-10, also came against the Redskins. That was the worst Giants team of my lifetime.

Yes. Worst Giants team ever.

it is.

I've been a fan since 1979. I've heard the stories from my older brother about the wilderness years part I.

As an adult, I understand then game and league more than when I was young. And I cannot comprehend why the organization does that it does year after year.

And I’m 16 years old again. When the Giants were the most important thing going on in life, this would hurt for weeks. Now, fuck it, this team doesn’t get anymore of my time and money until they get this fixed.

It was a vast, hopeless wasteland. Now, here appears “KT” from Oregon….6’5” 238……walking towards the draft, emerging through shimmering heatwaves…..can he deliver relevancy again to the currently hapless, hopeless current giants? They must FIRE DG, and draft “KT”. Count on JJ and his clueless coaches, disheartened players to deliver the gold nugget of a 1-16 record….now, it’s all up to the Lions…..to win one game, wish we could play them!

makes the Dave Brown years look like a cakewalk.

Never had a sense of hopelessness with this team until now.

Close.

In comment 15418371 FStubbs said:

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In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar. I wasn't around for the 70s, but honestly, Jones is about on the same tier as Kent Graham to me. Can start games, but is basically a fungible QB who is easily replaced by someone better.

I get you don’t like Jones, but Kent Graham. Come on, get some objectivity. I was accused earlier tonight of writing an obtuse post, I think you just did as well.

In comment 15418505 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15418371 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar. I wasn't around for the 70s, but honestly, Jones is about on the same tier as Kent Graham to me. Can start games, but is basically a fungible QB who is easily replaced by someone better. I get you don’t like Jones, but Kent Graham. Come on, get some objectivity. I was accused earlier tonight of writing an obtuse post, I think you just did as well.

No, I'm serious. On the football field, you tell me what Jones does that shows he's any better overall than Graham.

In fact, Graham actually beat a 13-0 Broncos team at one point. He had toughness, and, if everything was going well, he could win a game. Same as Jones.

Overall, Graham was a barely adequate starter and that's what Jones is right now. I think you're insulting Graham or simply don't remember the guy if you're saying it's obtuse to compare him to Jones.

I think the 1973 Giants (2-11-1) were the worst I have seen.

In comment 15418428 aquidneck said:

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and lost a game to the Redskins 72-41. Their one victory, 13-10, also came against the Redskins. That was the worst Giants team of my lifetime.

This team would take 2-3 weeks to score 41 points, though yes, they haven't been bad enough to give up 72 yet.

In comment 15418528 US1 Giants said:

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I think the 1973 Giants (2-11-1) were the worst I have seen.

Became a Giants fan in the late 60s.

In comment 15418527 FStubbs said:

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In comment 15418505 joeinpa said: Quote: In comment 15418371 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar. I wasn't around for the 70s, but honestly, Jones is about on the same tier as Kent Graham to me. Can start games, but is basically a fungible QB who is easily replaced by someone better. I get you don’t like Jones, but Kent Graham. Come on, get some objectivity. I was accused earlier tonight of writing an obtuse post, I think you just did as well. No, I'm serious. On the football field, you tell me what Jones does that shows he's any better overall than Graham. In fact, Graham actually beat a 13-0 Broncos team at one point. He had toughness, and, if everything was going well, he could win a game. Same as Jones. Overall, Graham was a barely adequate starter and that's what Jones is right now. I think you're insulting Graham or simply don't remember the guy if you're saying it's obtuse to compare him to Jones.

LOL GTFO, holy shit some of these asshole responses. Graham??

1. Bad Offensive Lines
2. Lack of a pass rush
3. Significant injuries to starters

It's the formula for losing in the NFL. Each of these 3 creates a scenario where it's near impossible to win. Even having a mediocre QB (e.g. Kent Graham, Danny Kannell) can be overcome if these 3 areas don't occur.

I've been watching the Giants since 1973...and no this is not the worst roster I've ever seen, but the injuries to a thin Oline and no real edge rushers is killing this team.

In comment 15418541 BigBlueJ said:

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In comment 15418527 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 15418505 joeinpa said: Quote: In comment 15418371 FStubbs said: Quote: In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar. I wasn't around for the 70s, but honestly, Jones is about on the same tier as Kent Graham to me. Can start games, but is basically a fungible QB who is easily replaced by someone better. I get you don’t like Jones, but Kent Graham. Come on, get some objectivity. I was accused earlier tonight of writing an obtuse post, I think you just did as well. No, I'm serious. On the football field, you tell me what Jones does that shows he's any better overall than Graham. In fact, Graham actually beat a 13-0 Broncos team at one point. He had toughness, and, if everything was going well, he could win a game. Same as Jones. Overall, Graham was a barely adequate starter and that's what Jones is right now. I think you're insulting Graham or simply don't remember the guy if you're saying it's obtuse to compare him to Jones. LOL GTFO, holy shit some of these asshole responses. Graham??

GTFO? Make me, loser.

Go back and watch some film.

2017 at least had Eli but also a bunch of quitters and malcontents.

1996 at least had a good defense with Strahan, Armstead and Sehorn. But man that offense stunk.

I was born in 1971. My childhood Giants heroes were Brad Van Pelt and Rob Carpenter. Those were some lean years.

is since 2017 we have been so non competitive in games.

Sometimes the game is over at halftime (like today).

Home games - we haven't had many wins. The last game I went one which was a win was 2018 versus WSH (DJ's second game). I don't attend all - but go to most.

Right now we are cellar dwellers and have to find our way out.

I said today at the game a black cloud is over this org right now.

I'm going to cheat and split the 2003 season into two because there was the competitive, yet aggravating first half (4-4) and the completely deflating second half (0-8) that featured Giants' second and third-teamers.

The second-half 2003 team was the worst stretch of football I've seen, and it's not close.

NYG were outscored 219-78. Only one game within one score (19-13 L to TB). We lost to an ATL team that featured a QB (Kurt Kittner) who went 9-of-23 for 65 yards. The Joe Horn Saints game (45-7) is also in there. DAL K Billy Cundiff had 11 field goals against the Giants that year. Everything sucked.

2017 team is a close second. Third's up for debate.

Undoubtedly yes. They are a bad team. Perhaps there have been teams that are as bad or slightly worse. But there has never been a team that is less connected to the fan base. There is nobody on the 2021 Giants that has done anything significant in a Giants uniform.

Compare for a minute to the 2003 Giants, a very bad team. The core of that team had gone to the Super Bowl in 2000 and the playoffs a year before. We'd seen those guys make plays and win games as Giants.

Look at the names of guys who had been around for a few years: Strahan, Hamilton, Barrow, Collins, Tiki, Toomer, Hilliard, Petigout (and more).

Even the 2017 Giants had guys who had played well and won games just the year before. Who's the most accomplished Giant on this team? Williams? Barkley? Jones?

If I saw Strahan / Toomer / Hilliard / Hamilton losing games, at least I'd feel bad for them. Aside from just putting on the blue jersey, there is no reason to care about any of these guys.

And it's mainly because there is talent, a decent amount but it's so out of whack roster wise, it's a hit and miss mess. There is no clear plan. If there is any positive about Judge, it looks like our top picks in his time here can be cornerstone players. We have mortgaged the cap to save Gettleman's job this year and we are saddled with a lot of bad contracts on players past their prime or too often injured. We have no defensive cornerstone to build on, not one. We have a LT and a WR, end of story.

In comment 15418347 81_Great_Dane said:

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So no, not the worst of my lifetime — yet. There were some truly awful teams in the 70s with hardly any talent. Jones is far, FAR better than some of those QBs. When they have their guys on the field, at least there's hope. But as a fan, the feeling is similar.

This.

Saved me all the typing.

In comment 15418549 Tom in NY said:

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1. Bad Offensive Lines 2. Lack of a pass rush 3. Significant injuries to starters It's the formula for losing in the NFL. Each of these 3 creates a scenario where it's near impossible to win. Even having a mediocre QB (e.g. Kent Graham, Danny Kannell) can be overcome if these 3 areas don't occur. I've been watching the Giants since 1973...and no this is not the worst roster I've ever seen, but the injuries to a thin Oline and no real edge rushers is killing this team.

Well said. Dead on. BTW, I've been watching the Giants since 1956.

if not for last year. A season in which the Giants out-gained the eventual champs and lost by 2, then finished 5-3 with some notable play by the defense.

An off-season of defensive adds, plus what, on paper, appeared to be a re-tooling of the offensive weapons + Barkley’s return … it all had me realistic but optimistic. I was hoping for a .500-ish season.

Even after two heart-breaking losses and an 0-3 start, I thought the team was on the fence and close to leading the division.

Today, I’ve pretty much resigned myself to watching for improvements, not getting Jones killed, and curiously looking out for what may be inevitable firings.

This is far from the worst team of my Giants-rooting lifetime. It is, however, the most baffling - starting with Patrick Graham and his toreador defense.

Very disappointing.

The 2013 giants were horrible as well. Peyton Hillis the big win vs the josh Freeman rams. The false hope that Jon Beason can still play football

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In comment 15418428 aquidneck said:

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and lost a game to the Redskins 72-41. Their one victory, 13-10, also came against the Redskins. That was the worst Giants team of my lifetime.

And they scored 40 points the next week and lost to the Browns 49-40. The offense was entertaining. Earl Morrall threw a 98 yard TD pass to Homer Jones, but they couldn't stop anyone Gave up 501 points in 14 games. Absolutely no pass rush. Lots of injuries too.Earl Morrall broke his wrist, Gary Wood steps in. He gets hurt, so they sign Tom Kennedy off the sandlots of Brooklyn. And of course they traded the number one pick plus other for Tarkenton. So they could not rebuild the defense. Wouldn't matter though as they were inept at drafting.

If you ignore the injuries and pretend we are losing with our best talent on the field, maybe. I go back to the mid 1960’s. No.

In comment 15418289 PatersonPlank said:

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absolutely no talent on offense, really had no chance. QB's by the names of Del Gazio, Dean, Johnson, Goldsteyn, Norm Snead, and of course Paterson Plank Pisarcik. Pisarcik is notable of course the "the fumble" in 1978. Rumor has it the defense would tell the offense to "hold em" when they ran on the field

The 1970s had WRs lining up in 3 point stances LOL and it was harder to score points, the rules have softened now and we can’t crack more than 21 points consistently.

What 90s team though? They're all legends compared to this team. 92? 95? 96? I see you said mid-90s.

At least in 95, for example, even when 5-11, they hung in there with some of the best. They barely lost to SF, Green Bay, and Dallas. That team lost a lot of close games. In 96, they beat Dallas.

This team is so unwatchable.

In comment 15418750 jmdvm said:

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In comment 15418428 aquidneck said: Quote: and lost a game to the Redskins 72-41. Their one victory, 13-10, also came against the Redskins. That was the worst Giants team of my lifetime. And they scored 40 points the next week and lost to the Browns 49-40. The offense was entertaining. Earl Morrall threw a 98 yard TD pass to Homer Jones, but they couldn't stop anyone Gave up 501 points in 14 games. Absolutely no pass rush. Lots of injuries too.Earl Morrall broke his wrist, Gary Wood steps in. He gets hurt, so they sign Tom Kennedy off the sandlots of Brooklyn. And of course they traded the number one pick plus other for Tarkenton. So they could not rebuild the defense. Wouldn't matter though as they were inept at drafting.

They had 3 non losing seasons out of the 5 Tarkenton was here. He made them a lot better than they actually were. But they passed on a true rebuild and on taking Bob Griese.

I wonder what the Saints are thinking ....

"How the fuck did we lose to these goons? And we made Daniel Jones player of the week on top of everything!"

2017, but there's a lot of season left so '21 can claim the top spot.

So no not yet but I give then credit for making the effort to be worse. :)

it was so bad in those years that when the Giants finally made it to the Super Bowl Jim Gordon who was the Giants radio play by play man said after they beat Washington in the NFC championship game that this is something no one ever thought they would see. Then he said it. The Giants are going to the Suoer Bowl. That's how bad it was.

What is perplexing to me is that John Mara seems to be falling into that same trap as his father did. Making hap hazard moves that keeps setting the franchise back. Building or rebuilding ass backward doesn't work. Are these some of the worst teams in my lifetime. Not yet. But they are bad, real bad. And if Mara doesn't get his shit together it is quickly moving in that direction and not far behind.

In comment 15418789 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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2017, but there's a lot of season left so '21 can claim the top spot.

The 2017 team would definitely beat the 2021 team.

That's without OBJ, Sterling Shepard, and even .... Brandon Marshall LOL

My head hurts just thinking of the awful football in the trenches between the two teams. Does one year's offensive line make the other years defensive line look good? Or the other way around?

but certainly not the worst in my lifetime.

Before yesterday's debacle, I sold all of the remaining games besides Washington. Broke even to this point, but expecting a complete loss with the Washington game (either taking a severely reduced sale or outright eating the tickets). Considering how pathetic this team and franchise is right now, this is about as good as it gets.

Teams of the early to late 70s were the worst. Anyone remember 1973? Giants went 6-0 in the preseason, won their 1st regular season game, and then won 1 more game the rest of the season. That had to be the worst team I remember

2003 and 2013 are probably the worst I've seen. in 2013 we faced like 4 backup qbs in a row to get wins and 2 wins against a washington team in disarray. This team sucks though

In comment 15419754 Banks said:

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2003 and 2013 are probably the worst I've seen. in 2013 we faced like 4 backup qbs in a row to get wins and 2 wins against a washington team in disarray. This team sucks though

I think the 2013 team had the worst line out of any of the Giants teams, I thought. Good God. Will Beatty at LT?

That 38-0 game against the Panthers I've never seen a QB sacked as fast as Eli was that day. The Greg Hardy game.

I'm 46 so I suffered through the Dave Brown, Kent Grahm, Danny Kanell years. But at least we had respectable Defenses that kept me an interested fan. I never turned off the TV at halftime like I did this Sunday.

Just about every game. Maybe cause I was young and didn't have the prior 15 years crummy history to fall back on, but I watched.

After the first game of the season, I was already camping, heading to the beach, enjoying the outdoor beauty of upstate rather than yelling at my TV for 3 hours.

I refuse to watch garbage product.

The Giants are garbage product and have been for years.