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Too many current Giants have experienced chronic losing

M.S. : 10/17/2021 8:10 pm

for so long that, no matter how talented they may be individually, it's very hard to envision this team moving forward with them on this roster.

Clearly the Giants have been set back by a raft of devastating injuries, but there has been no core of players to rally around. And how could there be? The core is filled with players accustomed to chronic losing.

I don't know whether or not Joe Judge (and his coaching staff) created a bigger problem than already exists. After last season, I would have guessed no. But this season it looks like he has thrown accelerant on a smoldering fire, and it sure looks like he has now lost his locker room.

There will be a better day. But that will require the removal of the current Head Coach along with several familiar players who still have enough to play in the NFL. Just not for the Giants.

As for the current G.M., the less said the better. His "retirement" speech has already been written for him and all he needs to do is read it with a little grace and dignity, which would be no mean feat.
I don't know how accurate that is considering  
Bill in UT : 10/17/2021 8:14 pm : link
there aren't many guys who have been on the team over 3 years. BBI constantly has threads about how much turnover there's been
Agreed M.S.  
mittenedman : 10/17/2021 8:16 pm : link
They also systematically got rid of anyone who actually knew how to win. I always harken back to Tom Coughlin being unwilling to shake Mara's hand during his final press conference.

For a man of Coughlin's value system to snub Mara on that stage says it all. He knew he was taking the fall when he was the reason they were ever good.
RE: I don't know how accurate that is considering  
Bill in UT : 10/17/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15418394 Bill in UT said:
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there aren't many guys who have been on the team over 3 years. BBI constantly has threads about how much turnover there's been


Nate Solder came from a pretty good program :)
Except, John has said  
Dave on the UWS : 10/17/2021 8:17 pm : link
he still believes DG is the guy to lead this organization for many years yet to come.
I suggest everyone watch  
lester : 10/17/2021 8:21 pm : link
the "All In" podcast with Rolle hosting, he talks about that team in 2011 which had folks USED to winning in college which made them more competitive
Get a pass rush  
joeinpa : 10/17/2021 8:28 pm : link
A real one, build the offensive line, they ll learn to win very quickly
RE: RE: I don't know how accurate that is considering  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15418399 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15418394 Bill in UT said:


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there aren't many guys who have been on the team over 3 years. BBI constantly has threads about how much turnover there's been



Nate Solder came from a pretty good program :)

Nate Solder has been here since 2018. That’s more than enough chronic losing for any one player. And cutting ties with him goes far beyond chronic losing: he is barely playing at an NFL-caliber level.
RE: Get a pass rush  
M.S. : 10/17/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15418440 joeinpa said:
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A real one, build the offensive line, they ll learn to win very quickly

True, true, true. Hoping a new regime with a new cast of players get us there!
And did the Giants  
mittenedman : 10/17/2021 8:44 pm : link
REALLY think they were going to win with McAdoo, Shurmur & Joe Judge?

Why?

It's time to get some winners in the building. It's going to be expensive, and I'm not going to give a shit.
Well what  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/17/2021 8:45 pm : link
About the fans?
RE: RE: RE: I don't know how accurate that is considering  
Bill in UT : 10/17/2021 8:49 pm : link
In comment 15418473 M.S. said:
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Nate Solder has been here since 2018.


yeah, but he took a year off
RE: I suggest everyone watch  
Bill in UT : 10/17/2021 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15418416 lester said:
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the "All In" podcast with Rolle hosting, he talks about that team in 2011 which had folks USED to winning in college which made them more competitive


I'm not going to go through all our draft picks, but I'm pretty sure the past couple of years we've been drafting a lot of SEC guys who are used to winning in college. Not to mention the coaching staff.
RE: I suggest everyone watch  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2021 11:19 pm : link
In comment 15418416 lester said:
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the "All In" podcast with Rolle hosting, he talks about that team in 2011 which had folks USED to winning in college which made them more competitive


Of note - Daniel Jones has been a loser at three levels of football now. High school, college, and professional.
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