...everyone including the coach; the oc; the oline; the defenseive coordinator; the TE; the vp of personel who also happens to own the team; the gm also,but jones who will be on his 3rd coach gets to stay? If you're really serious about this wouldn't this new Gm or VP player personel get to pick his QB too?
If it doesn’t work, new GM will get to clean slate it.
If it doesn’t work, new GM will get to clean slate it.
I understand what you say will probably happen but from my point of view it will mean the NY Giants will have wasted four years on a backup QB because they couldn't admit they made a mistake.
Free Agency? I can't imagine the amount of money you would have to pay a top notch QB to come to this Giants team.
Trade? haha
If it doesn’t work, new GM will get to clean slate it.
That’s still saddling a new GM with a previous coach and QB for one season. The new GM will want his head coach from the start
But it is just totally unrealistic to basically remove every element of this organization but keep Jones.
Hopefully the coaches learn from mistakes.
They figure out the problems and start winning.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
And yet people groan when I say Jones is about the same level as Kent Graham.
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in six games. Only 1 TD at home. He's allergic to the end zone.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
And yet people groan when I say Jones is about the same level as Kent Graham.
You know, I watch every press conference and Jones is a really good guy and actually easy to root for. But there is this hole in his game - a huge hole - where he just can't finish drives. It started last year and has continued into this year.
So if your QB can't execute that key part of his job why should he continue to play?
+1. We have a lot of holes in the roster than just Jones.
This. The Giants need to focus the draft on solidifying the foundation of the team, the trenches. I don’t have a strong opinion either way of Jones but this doesn’t look like the draft to search for his replacement. If Jones sucks in 22, draft his replacement in 23. At least the core will be set for the new guy if Jones proves he isn’t the guy.
Ya think?
None of these guys are going anywhere. Not Garrett and not judge. Who btw I am pretty sure all he did was ask BB what play he wanted to run on kickoff and the like. But he'll be back too.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Meanwhile he almost broke the rookie record for TDs two seasons ago in something like 12 games. He had a TD in every game that season. Meanwhile you continue to defend Garrett.
But what was mara's role before 2011? He was still there was he not? He really just gave reese a scouting report and had no say in player decisions?
Say we sign a vet placeholder - what does that really do? Most of those guys are in a tier with Jones. It doesn't make us much better or worse. None of them have real upside. So I'm not going to get too worked up about the Jones situation for 22.
What does matter thought is the longer term. If Mara and co talk themselves into extending Jones, then we've got a big problem. In that regard, I'd be more comfortable if we moved on from Jones quickly, but if we're just talking about 2022, it doesn't matter who the QB is (again, assuming we're not using a high pick at QB).
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in six games. Only 1 TD at home. He's allergic to the end zone.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Meanwhile he almost broke the rookie record for TDs two seasons ago in something like 12 games. He had a TD in every game that season. Meanwhile you continue to defend Garrett.
Alot of that was garbage time. They lost a lot of games and I remember them always playing from behind 2 scores late
But what was mara's role before 2011? He was still there was he not? He really just gave reese a scouting report and had no say in player decisions?
Well, Chris Mara on 2 separate occasions tried to be a GM, once of the Giants (we promoted Reese) and once of the Atlanta Falcons (I think the other Maras convinced him not to join another organization).
I think before his promotion he was just another voice on the committee, but afterward, he was effectively co-equal with the GM. (which, also being an owner, meant he was now more powerful than the GM).
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in six games. Only 1 TD at home. He's allergic to the end zone.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Meanwhile he almost broke the rookie record for TDs two seasons ago in something like 12 games. He had a TD in every game that season. Meanwhile you continue to defend Garrett.
Does 2019 have an expiration date as a pro? We're almost two years out now...
I do defend Garrett. Not because I think he's great but because I don't think Jones is...
Why can't we be better with a better QB?
There are a lot of pieces here that a good QB could produce with...
"Viable" replacement? We can finish last in the division with literally anyone.
Well, Chris Mara on 2 separate occasions tried to be a GM, once of the Giants (we promoted Reese) and once of the Atlanta Falcons (I think the other Maras convinced him not to join another organization).
I think before his promotion he was just another voice on the committee, but afterward, he was effectively co-equal with the GM. (which, also being an owner, meant he was now more powerful than the GM).
Thanks for answering
I'm not talking about winning 7 or 8 games. I'm interested in being a team that can win playoff games. I just don't see it happening with Jones or any reasonably available QBs.
Judge stays with the same front office staff excluding Dave are we certain we are drafting the BPA or need players to fit the current coaching staffs needs based on the same drafting protocols currently used.
Again, what type of team are the Giants trying to construct?
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I'm fine with Jones playing another year. I'd be fine with moving him too. It doesn't really matter - we're not going to be good next year regardless.
Why can't we be better with a better QB?
There are a lot of pieces here that a good QB could produce with...
Absolutely delusional.
I'm not talking about winning 7 or 8 games. I'm interested in being a team that can win playoff games. I just don't see it happening with Jones or any reasonably available QBs.
Russell Wilson will be expendable in Seattle. And we have an extra first this year.
Garoppolo isn't very good. Shanny knows he's limited which is why they paid so much to move up to #3 for Lance.
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(that we could reasonably get). I don't think Jones is good, but I don't think he's measurably worse than any of the stopgap solutions. Bridgewater, Trubisky, Mariota, Jimmy G, Brisset?
I'm not talking about winning 7 or 8 games. I'm interested in being a team that can win playoff games. I just don't see it happening with Jones or any reasonably available QBs.
Russell Wilson will be expendable in Seattle. And we have an extra first this year.
He is certainly (a lot) better, but I do not like that idea at all. Maybe you have a higher view of the talent on this roster than I do. I think this team is terrible all around. No doubt, we'd win more games with Wilson, but getting him at age 33? I just don't see that going anywhere good. Maybe 2 9-8 seasons? That doesn't do it for me.
It's too soon to know what's going to happen in the QB market. Maybe the Raiders decide to move on from Carr.
He is certainly (a lot) better, but I do not like that idea at all. Maybe you have a higher view of the talent on this roster than I do. I think this team is terrible all around. No doubt, we'd win more games with Wilson, but getting him at age 33? I just don't see that going anywhere good. Maybe 2 9-8 seasons? That doesn't do it for me.
The guy has made a lot of chicken salad for a decade in Seattle. He's just one of those rare talents who can lift the play of others. It's an incredible attribute.
What's wrong with 33? In this day and age, 33 is basically 28. Wilson can easily play another 5+. Easily.
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I'm fine with Jones playing another year. I'd be fine with moving him too. It doesn't really matter - we're not going to be good next year regardless.
Why can't we be better with a better QB?
There are a lot of pieces here that a good QB could produce with...
And what pieces are those? Which were on the field today? Shepard is basically a JAG and injury waiting to happen who has never broken 1000 yards. Engram? Toney looked great last week, but of course is injured again. So who are these pieces that are magically not going to be injured for another QB?
I'm a fan of Jones only because I'm a fan of the Giants. I don't think he's the guy, but it'd be disingenuous to pretend that he's actually had a chance to play with all of these pieces you seem to claim another QB would find success with. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but good god I don't think I've ever seen an offense missing 7 projected starters including 3 OL and 3 of the top 4 WRs in only the 6th week of the season.
And improving upon Jones won't be too difficult.
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in six games. Only 1 TD at home. He's allergic to the end zone.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Meanwhile he almost broke the rookie record for TDs two seasons ago in something like 12 games. He had a TD in every game that season. Meanwhile you continue to defend Garrett.
Does 2019 have an expiration date as a pro? We're almost two years out now...
I do defend Garrett. Not because I think he's great but because I don't think Jones is...
This is the 2nd time Garrett has failed as an OC...so, not sure what there is to defend? I'm not sure DJ is a franchise QB, but he'd be better without Garrett's dink and dunk, sissy playcalling.
And improving upon Jones won't be too difficult.
Like I've said, I think Jones is about as good as Kent Graham was.
Are you telling me he couldn't create more wins than Jones?
He has played with horrendous OLs in Seattle and dragged them into the playoffs. You can't see him doing similar work here?
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If the QB can be improved upon, we should do it.
And improving upon Jones won't be too difficult.
Like I've said, I think Jones is about as good as Kent Graham was.
He's definitely a backup level NFL QB. Nothing wrong with that - it's a really difficult thing to do.
What is wrong is the idiots that drafted him solely because they didn't want to get off the Eli Manning ride and they wanted something that looked and felt similar.
All you have to know is Gettleman praised Jones's pocket presence the day he drafted him. Tells you everything about Gettleman's evaluation skills.
Jones is a depreciating asset that we aren't going to sign to a second contract. The team isn't going to be competing for anything next year.
Trade him ASAP.
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in six games. Only 1 TD at home. He's allergic to the end zone.
Basically, he's now 30th in the NFL in TD passes.
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
And yet people groan when I say Jones is about the same level as Kent Graham.
Cmon. That’s more than a groan.
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If the QB can be improved upon, we should do it.
And improving upon Jones won't be too difficult.
Like I've said, I think Jones is about as good as Kent Graham was.
He's definitely a backup level NFL QB. Nothing wrong with that - it's a really difficult thing to do.
What is wrong is the idiots that drafted him solely because they didn't want to get off the Eli Manning ride and they wanted something that looked and felt similar.
All you have to know is Gettleman praised Jones's pocket presence the day he drafted him. Tells you everything about Gettleman's evaluation skills.
Jones is a depreciating asset that we aren't going to sign to a second contract. The team isn't going to be competing for anything next year.
Trade him ASAP.
I wouldn't mind it but I don't think you're getting much for him. I don't think the Steelers would be a buyer. But maybe a late 3rd or a 4th. Most likely we'll ride him until we find somebody to replace him or the end of the fifth year. We really screwed up not drafting Herbert. That's what we want. That caliber of player.
Jones is a depreciating asset that we aren't going to sign to a second contract. The team isn't going to be competing for anything next year.
Trade him ASAP.
You wish they are not signing him. They are. And how is Jones a depreciating asset? If anything he is an appreciating asset. He has a lot of upside potential. You really don't know if this is it for Jones. And it doesn't matter ; he isn't going anywhere.
So realistically you are looking at no changes to this team. Bark will be here so will Jones and Judge. Gettle might retire. I can see maybe getting rid of garrett but not really.
Everything that isn't bolted down should be traded for future assets. And the easiest players to trade are gonna be the guys still in their rookie contracts... Basically everyone drafted since 2018. Barkley, Jones, Lawrence, Hernandez...these guys don't have much value to the Goats beyond what they can net in trade.
It's about timelines now as much as anything else.
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Jones is a depreciating asset that we aren't going to sign to a second contract. The team isn't going to be competing for anything next year.
Trade him ASAP.
You wish they are not signing him. They are. And how is Jones a depreciating asset? If anything he is an appreciating asset. He has a lot of upside potential. You really don't know if this is it for Jones. And it doesn't matter ; he isn't going anywhere.
So realistically you are looking at no changes to this team. Bark will be here so will Jones and Judge. Gettle might retire. I can see maybe getting rid of garrett but not really.
I'm not so sure they are signing him. I think it is very likely they pick up the 5th year. But I'm not expecting an extension at this rate.