...everyone including the coach; the oc; the oline; the defenseive coordinator; the TE; the vp of personel who also happens to own the team; the gm also,but jones who will be on his 3rd coach gets to stay? If you're really serious about this wouldn't this new Gm or VP player personel get to pick his QB too?
If you can't score TDs, it's time to sit and plan Glennon.
Stop embarrassing yourself with a post like this. You're much better than that.
Okay to move on from Jones but going with Glennon other than 1 game benching if that's what you meant is fine- but anything else is just ridiculous.
And improving upon Jones won't be too difficult.
Who?
Not arguing but who? And what are you giving up and how many games are you expecting to win when you get the QB?
You've been one of the biggest posters to shit on Jones, so offer an alternative instead of cliche. What's the Qb going to cost and how many wins will the Giants get as an estimate? Again- not arguing.
If I'm running the Giants I'm trading Jones now and drafting Matt Corral with one of my first round picks (I expect we'll be picking top five).
If Corral is gone I'm thinking about Willis (though I'm not there yet with him).
But there will be options.
If I'm running the Giants I'm trading Jones now and drafting Matt Corral with one of my first round picks (I expect we'll be picking top five).
If Corral is gone I'm thinking about Willis (though I'm not there yet with him).
But there will be options.
I'm not os sure about Carrol. Here's a few negatives I've heard and tell me if you think it sounds familiar?
1-- Tends to not hit receivers in stride instead behind.
2--- Will force plays jamming through lanes that he shouldn't try.
3-- Reluctant to take checkdowns.
4-- Will take too many sacks holding onto ball.
5--- Will lock onto receivers.
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Why get this QB unless you think he is elite?
The team sucks so bad by the time he is ready you'd have blown his inexpensive years.
You have said the OL sucks, right? You know the defense sucks right? SO unless this QB is elite - what's the point?
Seriously. If jones is best option he stays if not he goes.
If it doesn’t work, new GM will get to clean slate it.
Best take I've heard and the one most likely to happen.
If it doesn’t work, new GM will get to clean slate it.
This is how and why it never works out. Hire a guy and then tell him what he must do or not do.
If we hire the GM, he should be allowed to immediately fire the coach and draft or trade for a new QB to minutes after getting into his new seat.
Otherwise, this is John Mara meddling again.
And not get to hire the 2 most imprtant pieces-- the coach and the QB? So what he is going to go through this roster of JV players and try and decide who gets cut. That is not a new GM that is a new recruiting scout.
And not get to hire the 2 most imprtant pieces-- the coach and the QB? So what he is going to go through this roster of JV players and try and decide who gets cut. That is not a new GM that is a new recruiting scout.
You're absolutely right. The new GM should be able to do what he wants.
Though I fear what's going to happen is that because they are playing a weaker schedule in 2nd half, they'll win some games and then the Giants will make awful decisions/mandates again.
Are you telling me he couldn't create more wins than Jones?
He has played with horrendous OLs in Seattle and dragged them into the playoffs. You can't see him doing similar work here?
Create more wins? Not with this defense, no. I think our offense would probably improve because Wilson is far and away a better QB. But I don't think even Wilson would make Barkley hit the hole decisively (or stay healthy), Engram not tip passes to the defense, or have the WRs drop them.
I want to be clear that I think Jones is probably a mid-low level starter/very good backup QB in this league. I think a player like Mahomes, or Wilson, or Aaron Rodgers, whoever would absolutely improve the offense, though I question by how much given all of the other gaping holes. Do I think that means we would win more? With this defense? Probably not. I don't think there's a QB in this universe who makes this roster a viable playoff team.
Wilson would elevate all of these receivers, maybe Engram the most. Jones is fast but not elusive at all. Wilson, creates time and big plays. Wilson has a red zone game.
I believe Shurmur put a one read, simple system in place that would make QB stats look good but not result in wins. It was smoke and mirrors in Jones rookie year.
Jones has gotten to the Red Zone often in the last 2 years.
It is statistically relevant to say Jones is poor in Red Zone efficiency. His best play is the QB draw down there.
Unfortunately, the Saints game was an outlier.
Jones is going to have another good game.
No one should care at all until he consistently gets TDs in the red zone.
Here is the deal.
It is harder and faster in the red zone.
Jones is not up to it.
He can't burn the zero either.
Big problem.
Wilson would elevate all of these receivers, maybe Engram the most.
This is where posts generally lose me. A QB like Wilson can create, sure. Absolutely. He can buy time and find the open man, or allow a covered receiver to shake open. He can make the correct read, or know when to deviate from what he thought his read order should have been pre-snap and go with what the defense is actually doing post-snap to find the open guy. Maybe he can make his line look better by sliding in the pocket or escaping out of a collapsing one.
But what does "elevate" the players around him mean? You use Even Engram as an example. The dude is a fantastic athlete, but how exactly is Wilson going to make Even Engram have consistent hands? I won't go so far as to say Engram has stone hands because he makes some Level 10 difficulty catches, but the dude also tips passes right between the numbers to opposing defenses on the regular. As Sy said in his review, Shepard had two drops in the game and at least one was a pass that would have gotten stuck in his facemask if it didn't hit him in both hands. How does Wilson "elevate" Shepard to make a routine catch? How does Wilson make Toney make the easy 3rd down catch he dropped early in the game last week vs. Dallas? Or any other number of drops Giants receivers have had this season? They happen no matter who is throwing the ball. "Elevating" players, outside of maybe making the OL look slightly better, is a myth.
You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Once again, to be absolutely crystal clear: I don't think Jones is the guy. But nobody is turning guys like Engram, who almost seem to drop the ball or tip it directly to defenders as often as the catch it, into legitimate All-Pros.
And if by chance a talented vet becomes available like Stafford did, then make a move.
Stop worrying about time frames...they are in a abyss and need to climb out.