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Keaton028 : 10/17/2021 10:57 pm
Anyone still believe the run game doesn’t have a place in this league anymore?

It is a physical component to football that allows a team to dictate the clock, wear a defense down, and set up play action. The Giants desperately need to get back to focusing on fixing their ground game.

Watching the Steelers and Seahawks run the ball well really makes me miss the days of Jacobs/Bradshaw/Ward
running has a place  
Producer : 10/17/2021 10:59 pm : link
especially in the playoffs. But to get there, and to get far, you need a passing approach first, unless you have Lamar Jackson. It's a finesse, passing league now. You can't win 13 games mauling people anymore.
You know these are a couple of 2-3 teams, right?  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2021 11:01 pm : link
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Yeah — when was the last time an Italian QB  
fanoftheteam : 10/17/2021 11:04 pm : link
Won a game? Might see it tonight
RE: Yeah — when was the last time an Italian QB  
Producer : 10/17/2021 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15418663 fanoftheteam said:
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Won a game? Might see it tonight


Jimmy Garoppolo, anybody?
RE: RE: Yeah — when was the last time an Italian QB  
fanoftheteam : 10/17/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15418664 Producer said:
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In comment 15418663 fanoftheteam said:


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Won a game? Might see it tonight


Greek



Jimmy Garoppolo, anybody?
Jimmy G is Greek if I had to guess  
fanoftheteam : 10/17/2021 11:08 pm : link
he's Italian  
Producer : 10/17/2021 11:09 pm : link
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Ah  
fanoftheteam : 10/17/2021 11:11 pm : link
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Funny thread turn.  
Beezer : 10/17/2021 11:14 pm : link
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A line that can impose its will  
mattlawson : 10/17/2021 11:20 pm : link
Now that would be something to see again on this team
Watching the NLCS. Great game.  
DCGMan : 10/17/2021 11:21 pm : link
Crazy base running decisions that worked in Braves favor to tie it up in the 8th.
RE: Yeah — when was the last time an Italian QB  
FStubbs : 10/17/2021 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15418663 fanoftheteam said:
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Won a game? Might see it tonight


That Montana guy and that Marino fellow weren't too bad ...
The best or better offensive teams in the league  
djm : 10/17/2021 11:26 pm : link
All run the ball well. Ravens. Bucs. Dallas. Packers. Browns.

All these good offensive teams run the ball and all devoted big time resources to the running game. How the fuck are we even debating this ? It’s right in front of us.

Just because the good qbs are putting up absurd passing numbers doesn’t mean the running game isn’t essential.

Scary injury  
Jalapeno : 10/17/2021 11:31 pm : link
Wow.

I hope tomorrow brings nothing but good news and good results for him.
It's complementary to the passing game, sure  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2021 11:32 pm : link
But it isn't the foundation of a top offense in the NFL anymore, which is why it was criminally stupid to draft an RB #2 overall.
I mean, the Bucs have devoted big time resources to running the ball?  
Greg from LI : 10/17/2021 11:35 pm : link
They picked up Fournette off the scrap heap on a one year deal and spent a third round pick on Ronald Jones. Those are huge resources? A
The evolution  
AdamBrag : 10/17/2021 11:41 pm : link
The game used to be establish the run and that leads to opening up the pass.

Teams realized they were playing against slow run stopping linebackers and box safeties and they could just pass first. When this started happening, it was pass first to open up the run. For some teams it has just morphed into pass early and often (Buffalo and KC are examples).

Defenses realized that the NFL was becoming "pass first" and started emphasizing smaller linebackers who can cover and smaller safeties who can cover deep.

Baltimore constructed an offense that counteracted the modern pass-centric defense.

Now, other teams are focusing on balanced offenses who's game plans are really dependent on the defensive look. The Cowboys are probably the best example of this. It is really difficult to defend because it requires having really versatile linebackers.

Unfortunately, for the Giants, they are still on Step 1 of this evolution (offensively). Actually, this year, they are trying to do a very basic version of Step 2, establish the pass so they can run more (in incredibly predictable ways).

Defensively, the Giants have probably the worst linebacker group in the NFL. Given how offenses are focusing more and more on attacking the linebackers and safeties, this is a big issue. They need their safties to step up and they aren't. If your linebackers and safeties can't cover, you need your corners to be absolutely lock down. That isn't happening either. Sigh.
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Banks : 10/18/2021 12:04 am : link
Geno looked absolutely crushed after the fumble
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broadbandz : 10/18/2021 12:10 am : link
It's hard to even imagine the giants drafting a player like Watt and then developing him. Seems the guys the giants draft get worse yr after yr. Like Engram.
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