Ralph Vacchiano
Sun, October 17, 2021, 10:29 PM
A few pull quotes:
"Are the Giants really any better now than they were four years ago? The sad answer is that they might be worse."
"At this point, it is virtually inevitable that the 70-year-old Gettleman will be gone at the end of the season, if Mara even waits that long."
"Nothing has worked, leaving Mara in the painful spot of probably having to blow up his franchise for the second time in four seasons, and maybe to fire a third straight coach after just two seasons on the job. That’s the kind of chaos sowed by the worst franchises in sports."
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He makes the decision on the coach and the he and the coach make the decision on the QB..
Mara stay the f out of the way and let him work
and if Mara hires from within there will be blood
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
I think you have that pretty much the way it will unfold:
(1) John Mara gracefully "retires" Dave Gettleman;
(2) A new General Manager is brought in (hopefully an outsider);
(3) The new General Manager gets to select a new Head Coach;
(4) The new Head Coach gets to select his own QB.
In the meantime, if any BBIer has the stomach to watch anymore games this season, take it from someone who watched practically every one from 1964-1980: try to have a sense of humor. It will help quite a lot.
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
Only problem is sometimes, with a promotion from within is that someone is just doing the internal systems differently to improve on how the person before did it, but they may not have been exposed to different overall approaches.
Sometimes someone external will look at things in completely different way because they have not been too close. Sometimes when someone is too close they may hold on to sacred cows without even realizing it.
If we do go with a new GM, I want someone who can really evaluate with fresh eyes.
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
The longer we wait the more time this regime gets to make rash decisions in attempts to save their jobs.
I think you have that pretty much the way it will unfold:
(1) John Mara gracefully "retires" Dave Gettleman;
(2) A new General Manager is brought in (hopefully an outsider);
(3) The new General Manager gets to select a new Head Coach;
(4) The new Head Coach gets to select his own QB.
In the meantime, if any BBIer has the stomach to watch anymore games this season, take it from someone who watched practically every one from 1964-1980: try to have a sense of humor. It will help quite a lot.
For me it is like watching the Knicks a few years ago, i dont root for losses, i hope they ein but i am watching individuals more than the team and if they lose i can see the bigger picture and not get mad..
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Yes but that probably won’t happen. At least the new GM will know who not to pick each round based on their evals.
You have to make good decisions.
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over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Yes but that probably won’t happen. At least the new GM will know who not to pick each round based on their evals.
Best idea I've heard in quite a while!
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Maybe... it could also mean we have had lousy coaches. Especially at the offensive line position. Do you know how hard it is to miss so often when drafting or signing as a free agent? Even a broken clock is right twice per year. I am not giving Gettleman or Reese a pass on their drafts, but at some point they would have gotten ONE right.
+1
by house cleaning, it should be everyone including Ronnie Barnes. They also need to change the turf in the stadium. Too many injuries on this shit.
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But the bigger question is whether Mara will go outside the organization for the first time since the NFL forced George Young on the Mara family back in 1979 -- something, by the way, that he absolutely, positively doesn’t want to do.
What a gutless fucking loser, if true.
And even more remarkable, if not just embarrassing, is knowing the Giants have used every bit of their Salary Cap with a QB still under rookie deal to field that roster.
It just feels like they are in completely different leagues...
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
How many soft tissue injuries are we going to have. 10% of the team was out with a bad hamstring at one point. Completely unacceptable.
And even more remarkable, if not just embarrassing, is knowing the Giants have used every bit of their Salary Cap with a QB still under rookie deal to field that roster.
It just feels like they are in completely different leagues...
The 2022 team is probably gonna be a lot like the 2021 team roster wise. Dave and Abrams have hamstrung the next GM for at least a year before any sort of roster augmenting can be done. This is what happens when you get duped into thinking you are better than you are by beating a few teams late in the year and believing you can compete in a weak division, which except for a very good Dallas team, one that many here expected to be very good this year, remains weak and you are the worst in it by a significant margin.
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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You’d think for such an important hire they’d being in the best and brightest around the league and talk to them all right?
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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You’d think for such an important hire they’d being in the best and brightest around the league and talk to them all right?
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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I think he disqualified himself when he said he though Eli was shot and he really liked Dwayne Haskins
The longer we wait the more time this regime gets to make rash decisions in attempts to save their jobs.
Gettleman needs to retire or be fired TODAY!
Bring a new GM. Give him full control and let him build the team however he sees fit. With 2 first rounders there is no better time to blow it all up. If the new guy decides Judge/Jones can work so be it. If not its total rebuild time.
They will win 4-5 meaningless games after the bye and go 6-11 or 7-10. That'll give Mara enough hope to not blow everything up.
They will win 4-5 meaningless games after the bye and go 6-11 or 7-10. That'll give Mara enough hope to not blow everything up.
The Giants will not be winning 6 or 7 games this season. They'll do well finishing with 4. If they are lucky.
Yesterday everyone knew it was coming, so they get a break. That's what we are now.
Think the whole article is.
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
I get your point, but the franchise is rotten from the top down. It needs an outside voice, someone who has come up through the organization is much more likely to do things the "Giants way" when we know that "way" is clearly outdated.
I don't know how "long" it needs to be. Arizona was 3-13 only 3 years ago, and had misfired on its drafted QB. I think this team has more talent than the 2018 Cards. If it's done right, we should see progress in year 2.
I think he disqualified himself when he said he though Eli was shot and he really liked Dwayne Haskins
So he was 1 for 2. Batting a whole lot better than DG!
I think the prep would be to soften the blow to promote Abrams or Pettit.
If it is a plant, at the very least, DG is a dead man walking. Maybe Judge too.
Good luck.
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the blow and prep the fans as if they don't expect changes to be made.
I think the prep would be to soften the blow to promote Abrams or Pettit.
Yeah you're right, I don't think anyone sane anticipates the Giants fundamentally changing how they run their business.
They should do a George Constanza and to the opposite of what they think. "If every instinct I have is wrong; the opposite must be right!"
I am interested to see if we start shopping players now that the trade deadline is fast approaching.
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I’ve been saying this 4 years.
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a la 1978. Otherwise it's a waste of time and we'll be here again in 2 years.
Not happening. There is no Rozelle to step in and force the Maras family to give up control in order to get an up and coming executive who knew what the fuck he was doing. Tisch could make noise, but his instincts are worse than Mara's.
Good luck.
Tisch is the only one who could force the Maras to give up control.
And the cycle continues.
I think you are overrating the talent on D. No edge rushers and the LB's are brutal. If you accept that the corners are good, the safeties have been up and down to say the least.
And that doesn't even scratch the surface on how much the defense occupies on the cap. I think there are going to have to be some painful cuts this offseason that will handicap the cap next year.
Not unlike the offense and the questions on the OL, WRs and Saquon struggling to stay healthy, and Jones long term fit and it's a mess.
Amazing isn't it?
Not unlike the offense and the questions on the OL, WRs and Saquon struggling to stay healthy, and Jones long term fit and it's a mess.
Many overrated everything about 2020. For all of the joy of beating a good Seattle team in their building, with a backup QB no less, the other 5 wins were v teams with a combined record of 28-50-2, all against backup QB's. This was a very bad team last year, but too many overlooked that, including management.
And yet, Sam Beal still holds a roster spot. Hasn't played a game in 2 years, doesn't play specials. We sign DB's off the street who play before he does.
Blowing a 3rd round pick from 3 years ago isn't that big of a deal, but carrying him on the roster when he literally does nothing shows how poor roster management has been.
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Give FK the offense and let someone else take over DC responsibility. We can’t be any worse. It is painful to watch our offense struggle but it’s maddening to see our defense come out in the same scheme every week and get torched without adjusting. I would argue it would be hard to have a gameplan to lose and be this bad. If none of that is the solution, try something! Don’t keep doing the same thing every week. Adapt improvise and overcome. Your way is now proven to not work.
I think you are overrating the talent on D. No edge rushers and the LB's are brutal. If you accept that the corners are good, the safeties have been up and down to say the least.
And that doesn't even scratch the surface on how much the defense occupies on the cap. I think there are going to have to be some painful cuts this offseason that will handicap the cap next year.
They are not world class but likely good enough with the right scheme and coaching to keep things closer.
We do have a lot of cap tied up in just ok players.
The LB situation is puzzling to me. Edge and good LBs would obviously help. This season they have what they have and I would like to see the. Try something different.
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and the front office made the same mistake. They've got big needs across the board at LB, NT, and their DB investments are looking additionally sad in 2021. Add in Graham is really struggling to look competent and opponents are eating his lunch, and there's big problems.
Not unlike the offense and the questions on the OL, WRs and Saquon struggling to stay healthy, and Jones long term fit and it's a mess.
Many overrated everything about 2020. For all of the joy of beating a good Seattle team in their building, with a backup QB no less, the other 5 wins were v teams with a combined record of 28-50-2, all against backup QB's. This was a very bad team last year, but too many overlooked that, including management.
It's why misplaced optimism is dangerous. Despite how badly everyone involved wants to win, choosing denial over serious self-scouting dooms you to failure. You've got to see what's in front of you, decide it's not working, and get working on solutions.
Agreed. You can plausibly argue that his failures in the secondary are an even bigger reason to fire him than those involving the OL and not securing any edge rushers.
IDGAF whether Daniel Jones would have been picked before 17.
It doesn't fucking matter.
Don't pick a running back at 2.
It doesn't fucking matter.
The NFL has left our ownership behind.
They are living in the NFL of 20 or more years ago.
This is NOT changing until we hear:
We are hiring an outside firm to evaluate every single process this company has from scouting to food service. We live leave no stone unturned. We are going to let this outside firm hire a GM and turn the NY Giants into a modern NFL franchise that fans can be proud of.
Most importantly we need them to own their mistakes or this will NEVER be fixed.
We accept full responsibility for the demise of this franchise, it is the fault of ownership.
Mara, you hit rock bottom, this is you going to ownership AA.
You cannot fix the problem until you admit you have one.
You are the problem.
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Your fault.
It's a public trust, a for profit business but privately owned. It's a monopoly. Pretty much every team is owned by egomaniac billionaires using their teams as a play toy. In the Giants case that only applies 50%.
But every organization the size of an NFL team has a culture similar to every business from 100 employees to 100,000 employees.
The Giants were started by Tim Mara in 1925. Tim had two sons Jack the oldest and Wellington. When Tim died Jack and Wellington each inherited 50% of the Giants. Jack had one son Tim J. Mara and Wellington had 11 children. Jack died just before the 1965 season and his 50% was left to Tim J. Mara. Tim J sold his 50% in 1991 to Robert Tisch who died in 2005 and left his 50% to his 3 children. Wellington died in 2055 and left his 50% to his 11 children.
The 3 Tisch owners are each billionaires from their inheritance and own Loews Corp among other holdings. Steve is the Giants chairman and Jonathon is the Giants Treasurer. They do not appear to be involved with the day to day football team and seem to enjoy being billionaire owners from a distance.
The 11 Mara owners own 50% of the Giants from their inheritance. The Giants are their family business. Their only business. The current Mara 11 are the third generation of Giants owners.
The oldest John Mara is the CEO, The 3rd oldest Chris Mara is Senior Vice President of Player Personnel. Susan Mara is the 2nd oldest and her son Tim McDonnell was promoted to Co-Director of Player Personnel in May of 2021.
Dave Gettleman is Senior Vice President and General Manager. In most NFL organizations player personnel falls under the GM who is the primary decision maker on all things on the field or the head of player personnel is the primary decision maker on all things on the field and the GM is more of an administrative/manage the cap position.
The Giants have Kevin Abrams the assistant GM that was assumed to be the person that managed the cap and reported to Gettleman but Abrams was on the Jordan Raanan podcast and said he hasn't been the primary cap person for 3 or 4 years and has two people that work for him that do most of the cap management now and that he's working on being a talent evaluator to position himself for potential GM jobs.
So let's recap the group leading the Giants player acquisition team
CEO - owner
SR VP Player Personnel - owner
SR VP GM
A GM
Co D Player Personnel - owner
Co D Player Personnel
Coaching Staff
If Gettleman is retired/fired which looks inevitable now and the Giants hire a new GM how much authority will that person have? Gettleman was an awful choice. No other NFL team would have hired him as their GM. It seems from public reports the Giants GM has a lot of influence and a loud voice in their team building strategy room but three of the other people in that room own the team so how much actual authority does the GM have? No way for anyone on the outside to know.
Apparently on the post game show yesterday Bob Papa the corporate voice of the NY Giants on their home station asked how do you fix this? So back to corporate culture. The plague of nepotism and cronyism is where an NFL team is no different than any other business. The rot of "this is how we've always done it" is no different than any other business. The third generation ownership challenges are no different than any other business.
In the third generation, there are typically many more family members who would like to work in the company. The cousins have grown up in different households and may have far different styles and points of view. There may be extremes of personality and huge disparities in competency as well as in financial need. There may also be lingering feelings of competitiveness or memories of past injustices carried over from the second generation.
In "family-first" businesses, family needs are primary. Business decisions that might generate family conflict are avoided. Members of the second generation are paid equally and share in all key decisions. Family ownership is zealously guarded and nonfamily managers tend to be regarded as "the help." If the company has a board of directors, it is likely to consist of family members who gather informally, perhaps with an attorney or accountant.
At the other extreme are "business-first" family businesses, which let children who want to work in it know that they must measure up to company norms and values that are above the needs of the family. The children may be told that they can't work in the business unless they are at least as good as professional managers, and that they will be paid for the job they do rather than who they are. In a business-first company, nonfamily members have considerable power and influence. The company is likely to have a board of directors with people from outside the company on it that meets regularly in formal sessions.
It appears from the outside the Giants have operated as a "family-first" business since Ernie retired and ended the George Young corporate culture that had been eroding since Wellington stepped back before he died and and John Mara became much more involved in the day to day.
So to Bob Papa's question how do you fix this? Either John Mara has an epiphany and retires his brother along with Gettleman and asks Tim McDonnell to relinquish his position as Co-Director of Player Personnel and the three of them use their league contacts to hire a football president a modern day George Young and own the team instead of run the team.
I think the odds of Powerball are better.
I've rooted for the Giants since I was 6 years old, I'm almost 70 now and there's been 4 great highs but they've been out numbered by way more of the deepest lows. I know most of you totally disagree with this and that's fine. This is just my way of dealing with a losing decade when I don't have many left.
I'll be rooting for the Giants and the Bears to lose every game they play except when the Giants play the Bears and then I'll decide who I want to win based on draft position. I get that most of you can't think that way. But losing and disasters have been the only thing that creates change with Mara family. The bigger the disaster the greater the change. Lose them all. Bring on the change.
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I am in my mid 60's and feel exactly the same way
Thank you for stating it so eloquently.
The Giants of the 80's were known for big, powerful LB's that could run and hit. The secondary hammered you. The OL was tough, efficient that battled. TE's were as tough as our lineman. Win or lose rarely did a team not have a physical battle that you had to earn.
I really am losing site of what the Giants are. It started around 2010 but thankfully they were able to hoist another trophy before it unraveled. So something changed and I think you have to solve that before changes are made. To me it simply is the Giants do not win the team battle of physicality from the players to the coaches. Don't see things changing till that is restored.
The depths of what has been reached here under this current regime is stunning.
I probably still won't (root for losses), but enjoyed your post nevertheless...
Great post Arnie, but watch for the apologists jumping out to say "we don't know what Chris Mara does!", as if that is a positive spin for this franchise.
The fact that he is the de facto head of the personnel dept is a problem. We have had a personnel deficit for a decade now, we've changed the dept over, but one constant still remains, and he is untouchable.
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it seems painfully clear that yet another long rebuild is on the horizon for this team.
I don't know how "long" it needs to be. Arizona was 3-13 only 3 years ago, and had misfired on its drafted QB. I think this team has more talent than the 2018 Cards. If it's done right, we should see progress in year 2.
Yep that's how I see it and why I remain optimistic.
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
Yeah, and I think an essential component to assessing these candidates would be to ask them what they would have done, though ideally there would be some form of proof involved so the candidates can't just say, "I would have traded down from the number 2 overall pick and drafted Quinten Nelson AND Lamar Jackson in the 1st, then taken Nick Chubb in the 2nd."
For example, people should be able to produce scouting reports, and anyone who had great players ranked as Day 3 prospects or terrible players ranked as first-rounders should evoke skepticism. But if there's evidence that someone had a better idea than Gettleman that's been borne out by hindsight, that person ought to be considered whether they're internal or not.
The sad thing about that picture... There are 3 Rams in that picture hitting Jones. I mean come on block someone... Anyone!
Maybe the Tischs step up and demand all Maras to be removed from football ops. Seems pretty doubtful and not sure if even possible.
What the Giants need is a new GM or Coach who will yield significant and ultimate power. People will laugh but I would go after Saban. He would completely remake this roster and change the culture. I wouldn't be as worried about his age as others...
Whatever it takes, widespread change is badly needed and overdue.
Maybe he'll just go all out and say screw you all and make Chris the GM. He might as well at this point, I mean it's pretty clear every decision he makes is worse than the last. So why not.
Maybe he'll just go all out and say screw you all and make Chris the GM. He might as well at this point, I mean it's pretty clear every decision he makes is worse than the last. So why not.
In some ways, that would be better. He couldn't hide from accountability if he was GM.
Every single move from that season was a huge waste of money and time. Even the Barkley pick, low hanging fruit of the highest variety, has fucking sucked because they guy can't stay on the field. Of course he can't....why would he.
DG is done. He's such an easy target and fall guy and he's older, so Mara has all that going for him.
I still don't know why they didn't go bigger and badder along the front 7. The Giants know better than anyone how important the front 7 is. They spent resources on Williams, Lawrence and Martinez and basically went bargain shopping everywhere else.
Do you know who else’s OL is terrible? The Tampa Bay buccaneers with four out of five guys out with injury. Do you think Brady would be back there slinging touchdowns all over the field with a bunch of subs in his OL?
It’s just an excuse that your best players can’t play because they’re hurt?
It doesn’t make any sense. If we had five all Pro El Chapo Taylor all out with injuries would we be disappointed that in all world 0L is failing when really it’s the back ups?
I think it's all talk. Running a mixed defense is useless if you don't have the right tools for any of them.
Do you know who else’s OL is terrible? The Tampa Bay buccaneers with four out of five guys out with injury. Do you think Brady would be back there slinging touchdowns all over the field with a bunch of subs in his OL?
It’s just an excuse that your best players can’t play because they’re hurt?
It doesn’t make any sense. If we had five all Pro El Chapo Taylor all out with injuries would we be disappointed that in all world 0L is failing when really it’s the back ups?
The starters when they're not injured aren't much either. We didn't have to wait until today to point out that the OL isn't good.
Solder is finished as a pro football player. He looked it in 2019, opted out of 2020, and was given a starting job in 2021. Their plan was either Solder, who is done, or Peart, who is totally unproven.
But it seems the Mara's got around that by naming him SR VP of Player Personnel when everyone on the Tisch sided was dumb fat and happy during the Eli Super Bowl years. A lost decade later his nephew is moving up the corporate ladder quickly.
From NJ.com Dan Duggan December of 2017:
Mara was asked if he expects the general manager who replaces Jerry Reese to completely overhaul the front office.
"I think that's going to be largely up to the new GM," Mara said. "And we did go through this, back in '07 when Jerry was hired. We kept most of the people and I'm not anticipating there being wholesale changes. But again, that's largely going to be up to the new general manager."
That answer ran counter to Mara's overriding theme when explaining the decision to fire Reese and head coach Ben McAdoo on Monday with four games remaining in a miserable season.
"We've gotten to the point where we felt like we had to make wholesale changes and that's what we've done here," Mara said.
The changes really can't be considered wholesale if only Reese is replaced and most of the front office is retained. It's obvious that Mara's brother, Chris, who has been the team's senior vice president of player personnel since 2011, will remain in the front office.
But John Mara said that his brother is not in the running to replace Reese.
"He does not want to be a candidate, I don't think, for the full-time position," John Mara said during an interview with Mike Francesa on WFAN. "His input is certainly going to be something that is very crucial to the final decision."
Kevin Abrams, who has worked in the Giants' front office for 16 years, has been named the interim general manager.
Ernie Accorsi, who was the Giants' general manager from 1998-2007, will serve as a consultant in the GM search. Accorsi's presence leads to more speculation that the Giants may not shake things up as much as John Mara initially indicated, especially with former Giants executive Dave Gettleman available after getting fired as Panthers general manager in July.
"We have names in mind, but I'm not going to go into the names right now," Mara said.
Four years later what has changed?
Giants owner John Mara says brother, Chris, isn't a general manager candidate - ( New Window )
Coaching staff will get another year - might get new OC but may not want Jones to have to learn another system.
"I have withdrawn my name from consideration for the position of general manager for the Atlanta Falcons," Mara said in a one-paragraph statement released by the Giants. "I want to thank Arthur Blank for his interest in me, and we had a very good discussion earlier this week in Atlanta. However, I am no longer a candidate for the position."
Explain to me how it would pass the other NFL owners that a 1/11 owner of 50% of the Giants would be the GM for another team. I would imagine that he was no longer a candidate once he found out he'd have to sell his interest in the Giants. But it did lend credibility to his claim of being qualified for the job. Never mind that Blank was interviewing another NFL owner whose team had just pulled the biggest upset in NFL history a few weeks before. Was it really an interview? We'll never know.
Chase was a decent Center with the right mentality.
Peart will be another DG decision point - 3rd rounder should develop into a solid starter. Set Solder down and see what we have.
I'd also be scouting interior OL heavily, no more resting on laurels and waiting until the regular season is set to begin to start trading draft picks for vets sitting on the bench.
If Abrams or another internal flunky is named to replace DG, I may just burn all of my Giants paraphernalia and be done with this team.
If Abrams or another internal flunky is named to replace DG, I may just burn all of my Giants paraphernalia and be done with this team.
I think it was more of the hope that the Giants would go 10-7 this year and the torch could be passed to Abrams. That ain’t happening.
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If you listen to what Ralph says, it breaks down to “yes all the starters on the OL are out injured but that’s just an excuse this line is terrible”.
Do you know who else’s OL is terrible? The Tampa Bay buccaneers with four out of five guys out with injury. Do you think Brady would be back there slinging touchdowns all over the field with a bunch of subs in his OL?
It’s just an excuse that your best players can’t play because they’re hurt?
It doesn’t make any sense. If we had five all Pro El Chapo Taylor all out with injuries would we be disappointed that in all world 0L is failing when really it’s the back ups?
The starters when they're not injured aren't much either. We didn't have to wait until today to point out that the OL isn't good.
Solder is finished as a pro football player. He looked it in 2019, opted out of 2020, and was given a starting job in 2021. Their plan was either Solder, who is done, or Peart, who is totally unproven.
Thank you for saying this. I'm sick of posters acting like the Giants have 3 all pro lineman on the IR.
How people can blame injuries on this failure is beyond me. This isn't the same situation as the 49ers last year. And how can you blame injuries for this putrid defense when the unit is only missing one key player?
One specific question I'd have about their operations over the years would be "How do the Giants scout quarterbacks?"
The errors since 2017 are obvious: sticking with Eli, passing on Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, and drafting Jones. But the issue goes back farther. Not a single QB prospect they drafted since 2004 even stuck around the league long as a journeyman backup.
I think it's possible the people making the QB decisions simply have no idea what being a quarterback in 2021 is about. 2004 might as well be 1974...and even then the methodology that landed us Eli was enormously flawed - it was basically Accorsi chasing the dragon he almost caught with Elway.
This organization is so lost.
Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building?
Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.
- What were odds Barkley would come back healthy and stay on the field
- What were the odds Hernandez blossomed into something he never was
- What were the odds Solder recaptured his 2017 self
- What were the odds Carter and Ximines blossom into reliable pass rushers
- What were the odds Engram remained healthy and focused
Then you make all the moves
- What were the odds Golladay stays healthy pre/regular season
- What are the odds Rudolph comes back rejuvenated after foot surgery
- What are the odds Jackson becomes the player he never was in Tennesse
The faits gave the Giants a raw deal with Toney, Martinez, Gates, and Lemieux getting hurt.
The rest of this shit, a monkey and a sharpie could have predicted.
Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building?
Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.
7-15, and up against the cap next year.
Neil Armstrong had a great quote about going to the moon: "If you're an inch off on landing, no big deal. If you're an inch off on takeoff, you miss the moon by a million miles."
Mara was miles off on takeoff when he hired Gettleman. He can't fuck up like that again. It cost years.
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would really concern me regarding the next chapter in NYG history. There's just too many failures in the personnel realm over their tenures to make a sound judgement in their favor(s).
One specific question I'd have about their operations over the years would be "How do the Giants scout quarterbacks?"
The errors since 2017 are obvious: sticking with Eli, passing on Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, and drafting Jones. But the issue goes back farther. Not a single QB prospect they drafted since 2004 even stuck around the league long as a journeyman backup.
I think it's possible the people making the QB decisions simply have no idea what being a quarterback in 2021 is about. 2004 might as well be 1974...and even then the methodology that landed us Eli was enormously flawed - it was basically Accorsi chasing the dragon he almost caught with Elway.
This organization is so lost.
I’d add whoever in the room thought Davis Webb was the best QB in the draft.
Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building?
Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.
And even if they take the car keys away and don’t let him make trades, how many opportunities will we miss to turn aging vets on bad contracts into draft picks? There are no reasons to let him continue and many reasons not to.
Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building?
Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.
Rambling press conference? How was that different than his other ones?
And 7-15 may be a better winning % percentage than he had prior to that, so he is actually trending up...
I wanna see it go right in and down
I wanna watch it go right in
Watch you flush it all away
Yeah, time to bring it down again
Yeah, don't just call me pessimist
Try and read between the lines
I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend
I wanna see it come down
Put it down
Suck it down
Flush it down
Then Mara can go fuck himself with some rusty rebar.
You’ve done a terrible job as an owner when it comes to hiring for a while. Absolutely miserable. Open your fucking eyes and brain. Be the bigger fucking person, swallow your pride, and admit you’ve failed.
Fans would appreciate that more than being a complete fucking coward and not even showing your face last Sunday.
& DG should have been fired last night. I suspect if Carolina beats us this weekend...we'll see some shakeups.
& DG should have been fired last night. I suspect if Carolina beats us this weekend...we'll see some shakeups.
I’m annoyed it wasn’t done today. There is absolutely ZERO reason he should still have a keycard.
I don't know what Mara's thinking. I really don't. But I swear...if he promotes from within, I'm going to wash my hands clean of this organization. The Maras-from all accounts-seem like good people. But they are way too fucking loyal to people who are part of the 'Giants family'.
Quote:
ATLANTA -- The Falcons lost a candidate in their search for a general manager when Chris Mara of the New York Giants dropped out Thursday. Mara, the Giants' vice president of player evaluation, withdrew from consideration two days after interviewing with Falcons owner Arthur Blank.
"I have withdrawn my name from consideration for the position of general manager for the Atlanta Falcons," Mara said in a one-paragraph statement released by the Giants. "I want to thank Arthur Blank for his interest in me, and we had a very good discussion earlier this week in Atlanta. However, I am no longer a candidate for the position."
Explain to me how it would pass the other NFL owners that a 1/11 owner of 50% of the Giants would be the GM for another team. I would imagine that he was no longer a candidate once he found out he'd have to sell his interest in the Giants. But it did lend credibility to his claim of being qualified for the job. Never mind that Blank was interviewing another NFL owner whose team had just pulled the biggest upset in NFL history a few weeks before. Was it really an interview? We'll never know.
At the time, Chris owned 0% of the Giants, so it would've worked from that perspective.
But that brings up the point once again, for those who claim Chris Mara doesn't do anything -
This guy tried to be a GM in this league. Twice. And we're supposed to think that that once he got "promoted" in 2012 that he didn't exert influence over personnel when it seems being a GM in the NFL was his goal from the beginning.