Ralph Vacchiano
Sun, October 17, 2021, 10:29 PM
A few pull quotes:
"Are the Giants really any better now than they were four years ago? The sad answer is that they might be worse."
"At this point, it is virtually inevitable that the 70-year-old Gettleman will be gone at the end of the season, if Mara even waits that long."
"Nothing has worked, leaving Mara in the painful spot of probably having to blow up his franchise for the second time in four seasons, and maybe to fire a third straight coach after just two seasons on the job. That’s the kind of chaos sowed by the worst franchises in sports."
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He makes the decision on the coach and the he and the coach make the decision on the QB..
Mara stay the f out of the way and let him work
and if Mara hires from within there will be blood
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
I think you have that pretty much the way it will unfold:
(1) John Mara gracefully "retires" Dave Gettleman;
(2) A new General Manager is brought in (hopefully an outsider);
(3) The new General Manager gets to select a new Head Coach;
(4) The new Head Coach gets to select his own QB.
In the meantime, if any BBIer has the stomach to watch anymore games this season, take it from someone who watched practically every one from 1964-1980: try to have a sense of humor. It will help quite a lot.
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
Only problem is sometimes, with a promotion from within is that someone is just doing the internal systems differently to improve on how the person before did it, but they may not have been exposed to different overall approaches.
Sometimes someone external will look at things in completely different way because they have not been too close. Sometimes when someone is too close they may hold on to sacred cows without even realizing it.
If we do go with a new GM, I want someone who can really evaluate with fresh eyes.
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
The longer we wait the more time this regime gets to make rash decisions in attempts to save their jobs.
I think you have that pretty much the way it will unfold:
(1) John Mara gracefully "retires" Dave Gettleman;
(2) A new General Manager is brought in (hopefully an outsider);
(3) The new General Manager gets to select a new Head Coach;
(4) The new Head Coach gets to select his own QB.
In the meantime, if any BBIer has the stomach to watch anymore games this season, take it from someone who watched practically every one from 1964-1980: try to have a sense of humor. It will help quite a lot.
For me it is like watching the Knicks a few years ago, i dont root for losses, i hope they ein but i am watching individuals more than the team and if they lose i can see the bigger picture and not get mad..
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Yes but that probably won’t happen. At least the new GM will know who not to pick each round based on their evals.
You have to make good decisions.
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over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Yes but that probably won’t happen. At least the new GM will know who not to pick each round based on their evals.
Best idea I've heard in quite a while!
over the past dozen years mean that practically its entire college scouting staff blows, and 90% of them need to be blown out?
Maybe... it could also mean we have had lousy coaches. Especially at the offensive line position. Do you know how hard it is to miss so often when drafting or signing as a free agent? Even a broken clock is right twice per year. I am not giving Gettleman or Reese a pass on their drafts, but at some point they would have gotten ONE right.
+1
by house cleaning, it should be everyone including Ronnie Barnes. They also need to change the turf in the stadium. Too many injuries on this shit.
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But the bigger question is whether Mara will go outside the organization for the first time since the NFL forced George Young on the Mara family back in 1979 -- something, by the way, that he absolutely, positively doesn’t want to do.
What a gutless fucking loser, if true.
And even more remarkable, if not just embarrassing, is knowing the Giants have used every bit of their Salary Cap with a QB still under rookie deal to field that roster.
It just feels like they are in completely different leagues...
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
How many soft tissue injuries are we going to have. 10% of the team was out with a bad hamstring at one point. Completely unacceptable.
And even more remarkable, if not just embarrassing, is knowing the Giants have used every bit of their Salary Cap with a QB still under rookie deal to field that roster.
It just feels like they are in completely different leagues...
The 2022 team is probably gonna be a lot like the 2021 team roster wise. Dave and Abrams have hamstrung the next GM for at least a year before any sort of roster augmenting can be done. This is what happens when you get duped into thinking you are better than you are by beating a few teams late in the year and believing you can compete in a weak division, which except for a very good Dallas team, one that many here expected to be very good this year, remains weak and you are the worst in it by a significant margin.
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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You’d think for such an important hire they’d being in the best and brightest around the league and talk to them all right?
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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You’d think for such an important hire they’d being in the best and brightest around the league and talk to them all right?
It’s not like a single other team was going to somehow “steal” Gettleman from us. The very idea of that is laughable.
Don't think they interviewed anyone else. They hired him before the last game of the season.
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I think he disqualified himself when he said he though Eli was shot and he really liked Dwayne Haskins
The longer we wait the more time this regime gets to make rash decisions in attempts to save their jobs.
Gettleman needs to retire or be fired TODAY!
Bring a new GM. Give him full control and let him build the team however he sees fit. With 2 first rounders there is no better time to blow it all up. If the new guy decides Judge/Jones can work so be it. If not its total rebuild time.
They will win 4-5 meaningless games after the bye and go 6-11 or 7-10. That'll give Mara enough hope to not blow everything up.
They will win 4-5 meaningless games after the bye and go 6-11 or 7-10. That'll give Mara enough hope to not blow everything up.
The Giants will not be winning 6 or 7 games this season. They'll do well finishing with 4. If they are lucky.
Yesterday everyone knew it was coming, so they get a break. That's what we are now.
Think the whole article is.
Who knows if Petit or Abrams look at Gettlemen and say "My God that was stupid... Why did he do that?"
I get your point, but the franchise is rotten from the top down. It needs an outside voice, someone who has come up through the organization is much more likely to do things the "Giants way" when we know that "way" is clearly outdated.
I don't know how "long" it needs to be. Arizona was 3-13 only 3 years ago, and had misfired on its drafted QB. I think this team has more talent than the 2018 Cards. If it's done right, we should see progress in year 2.
I think he disqualified himself when he said he though Eli was shot and he really liked Dwayne Haskins
So he was 1 for 2. Batting a whole lot better than DG!
I think the prep would be to soften the blow to promote Abrams or Pettit.
If it is a plant, at the very least, DG is a dead man walking. Maybe Judge too.
Good luck.
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the blow and prep the fans as if they don't expect changes to be made.
I think the prep would be to soften the blow to promote Abrams or Pettit.
Yeah you're right, I don't think anyone sane anticipates the Giants fundamentally changing how they run their business.
They should do a George Constanza and to the opposite of what they think. "If every instinct I have is wrong; the opposite must be right!"