Ralph V: Giants loss could be start of yet another teardown

I think OT should be at the top of their shopping list. You almost have to draft your tackles.

In comment 15420181 lawguy9801 said:

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outside the organization. If Abrams or another internal flunky is named to replace DG, I may just burn all of my Giants paraphernalia and be done with this team.

I think it was more of the hope that the Giants would go 10-7 this year and the torch could be passed to Abrams. That ain’t happening.

unless they've got an ascending young vet UFA ready to sign and kick arse, I bet value will line up for them to pick an OT.

In comment 15420146 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15420142 VinegarPeppers said: Quote: If you listen to what Ralph says, it breaks down to “yes all the starters on the OL are out injured but that’s just an excuse this line is terrible”. Do you know who else’s OL is terrible? The Tampa Bay buccaneers with four out of five guys out with injury. Do you think Brady would be back there slinging touchdowns all over the field with a bunch of subs in his OL? It’s just an excuse that your best players can’t play because they’re hurt? It doesn’t make any sense. If we had five all Pro El Chapo Taylor all out with injuries would we be disappointed that in all world 0L is failing when really it’s the back ups? The starters when they're not injured aren't much either. We didn't have to wait until today to point out that the OL isn't good. Solder is finished as a pro football player. He looked it in 2019, opted out of 2020, and was given a starting job in 2021. Their plan was either Solder, who is done, or Peart, who is totally unproven.

Thank you for saying this. I'm sick of posters acting like the Giants have 3 all pro lineman on the IR.

How people can blame injuries on this failure is beyond me. This isn't the same situation as the 49ers last year. And how can you blame injuries for this putrid defense when the unit is only missing one key player?

would really concern me regarding the next chapter in NYG history. There's just too many failures in the personnel realm over their tenures to make a sound judgement in their favor(s).

In comment 15420195 JonC said:

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would really concern me regarding the next chapter in NYG history. There's just too many failures in the personnel realm over their tenures to make a sound judgement in their favor(s).

One specific question I'd have about their operations over the years would be "How do the Giants scout quarterbacks?"

The errors since 2017 are obvious: sticking with Eli, passing on Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, and drafting Jones. But the issue goes back farther. Not a single QB prospect they drafted since 2004 even stuck around the league long as a journeyman backup.

I think it's possible the people making the QB decisions simply have no idea what being a quarterback in 2021 is about. 2004 might as well be 1974...and even then the methodology that landed us Eli was enormously flawed - it was basically Accorsi chasing the dragon he almost caught with Elway.

This organization is so lost.

The fact that Gettleman is still here just tells me that the decision hasn’t been decided yet. And that would just show how lost this franchise is.

Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building?

Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.

I’ve said this from the day last season ended, it’s all about odds.

- What were odds Barkley would come back healthy and stay on the field
- What were the odds Hernandez blossomed into something he never was
- What were the odds Solder recaptured his 2017 self
- What were the odds Carter and Ximines blossom into reliable pass rushers
- What were the odds Engram remained healthy and focused

Then you make all the moves

- What were the odds Golladay stays healthy pre/regular season
- What are the odds Rudolph comes back rejuvenated after foot surgery
- What are the odds Jackson becomes the player he never was in Tennesse

The faits gave the Giants a raw deal with Toney, Martinez, Gates, and Lemieux getting hurt.

The rest of this shit, a monkey and a sharpie could have predicted.

In comment 15420223 Sean said:

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The fact that Gettleman is still here just tells me that the decision hasn’t been decided yet. And that would just show how lost this franchise is. Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building? Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.

7-15, and up against the cap next year.

Neil Armstrong had a great quote about going to the moon: "If you're an inch off on landing, no big deal. If you're an inch off on takeoff, you miss the moon by a million miles."

Mara was miles off on takeoff when he hired Gettleman. He can't fuck up like that again. It cost years.

In comment 15420212 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15420195 JonC said: Quote: would really concern me regarding the next chapter in NYG history. There's just too many failures in the personnel realm over their tenures to make a sound judgement in their favor(s). One specific question I'd have about their operations over the years would be "How do the Giants scout quarterbacks?" The errors since 2017 are obvious: sticking with Eli, passing on Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert, and drafting Jones. But the issue goes back farther. Not a single QB prospect they drafted since 2004 even stuck around the league long as a journeyman backup. I think it's possible the people making the QB decisions simply have no idea what being a quarterback in 2021 is about. 2004 might as well be 1974...and even then the methodology that landed us Eli was enormously flawed - it was basically Accorsi chasing the dragon he almost caught with Elway. This organization is so lost.

I’d add whoever in the room thought Davis Webb was the best QB in the draft.

In comment 15420223 Sean said:

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The fact that Gettleman is still here just tells me that the decision hasn’t been decided yet. And that would just show how lost this franchise is. Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building? Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.

And even if they take the car keys away and don’t let him make trades, how many opportunities will we miss to turn aging vets on bad contracts into draft picks? There are no reasons to let him continue and many reasons not to.

In comment 15420223 Sean said:

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The fact that Gettleman is still here just tells me that the decision hasn’t been decided yet. And that would just show how lost this franchise is. Giving Gettleman the trade deadline in hopes to improve from 4-13 to maybe 6-11 scares me tremendously. The decision on Gettleman should already have been made. And if so, why is he still in the building? Look at it this way, since Gettleman’s rambling press conference after the 2019 season, his Giants are 7-15.

Rambling press conference? How was that different than his other ones?

And 7-15 may be a better winning % percentage than he had prior to that, so he is actually trending up...

Mara, please flush it all away
I wanna see it go right in and down
I wanna watch it go right in
Watch you flush it all away

Yeah, time to bring it down again
Yeah, don't just call me pessimist
Try and read between the lines

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend

I wanna see it come down

Put it down

Suck it down

Flush it down

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…But the bigger question is whether Mara will go outside the organization for the first time since the NFL forced George Young on the Mara family back in 1979 -- something, by the way, that he absolutely, positively doesn’t want to do…

Then Mara can go fuck himself with some rusty rebar.

You’ve done a terrible job as an owner when it comes to hiring for a while. Absolutely miserable. Open your fucking eyes and brain. Be the bigger fucking person, swallow your pride, and admit you’ve failed.

Fans would appreciate that more than being a complete fucking coward and not even showing your face last Sunday.

Sean, I can't imagine Mara is foolish enough to bring DG back. Even he can't fuck that up. And no, I'm not kidding.

& DG should have been fired last night. I suspect if Carolina beats us this weekend...we'll see some shakeups.

In comment 15420335 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Sean, I can't imagine Mara is foolish enough to bring DG back. Even he can't fuck that up. And no, I'm not kidding. & DG should have been fired last night. I suspect if Carolina beats us this weekend...we'll see some shakeups.

I’m annoyed it wasn’t done today. There is absolutely ZERO reason he should still have a keycard.

Sean, I'm 100% in agreement. And I share your fear: him making long term moves on behalf of this franchise over the next 15 days when I'd bet top dollar he's unemployed come MLK Jr. Day 2022.

I don't know what Mara's thinking. I really don't. But I swear...if he promotes from within, I'm going to wash my hands clean of this organization. The Maras-from all accounts-seem like good people. But they are way too fucking loyal to people who are part of the 'Giants family'.

In comment 15420162 arniefez said:

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This is from January 2008 when the Falcons were looking for a new GM. Guess who their "consultant' was? Hints: Unitas, Rug, Eli. Sounds like Ernie felt he "owed" another candidate passed over when he recommended Reese for the Giants GM the same way he "owed" the current Giants GM when Reese was fired. Quote: ATLANTA -- The Falcons lost a candidate in their search for a general manager when Chris Mara of the New York Giants dropped out Thursday. Mara, the Giants' vice president of player evaluation, withdrew from consideration two days after interviewing with Falcons owner Arthur Blank. "I have withdrawn my name from consideration for the position of general manager for the Atlanta Falcons," Mara said in a one-paragraph statement released by the Giants. "I want to thank Arthur Blank for his interest in me, and we had a very good discussion earlier this week in Atlanta. However, I am no longer a candidate for the position." Explain to me how it would pass the other NFL owners that a 1/11 owner of 50% of the Giants would be the GM for another team. I would imagine that he was no longer a candidate once he found out he'd have to sell his interest in the Giants. But it did lend credibility to his claim of being qualified for the job. Never mind that Blank was interviewing another NFL owner whose team had just pulled the biggest upset in NFL history a few weeks before. Was it really an interview? We'll never know.

At the time, Chris owned 0% of the Giants, so it would've worked from that perspective.

But that brings up the point once again, for those who claim Chris Mara doesn't do anything -

This guy tried to be a GM in this league. Twice. And we're supposed to think that that once he got "promoted" in 2012 that he didn't exert influence over personnel when it seems being a GM in the NFL was his goal from the beginning.