NFT: Knicks chat: Season starts Wednesday against Boston

He was also one of our better players in the playoffs last year. He'll do fine until Noel comes back and Robinson gets his starter form back.

since his playoff coming out. Hope he keeps it up especially on D.

with the possibility that, if IQ is off or not playing D, we see a little of Grimes.

It was interesting seeing Thibs talk about him last game. And, yes, it sounds like Gibson will play a decent amount early on which isn't a bad thing. This team is amazingly deep.

Is that he can put the ball on the court and create his own shot.

that after 20 years of Dolan-owned septic swill, I am more excited to watch the Knicks and Rangers than my beloved Giants.

I went hunting with a friend yesterday and taped the game. Won't even bother to watch it. May retire my BBI account so I am not surrounded by negativity (whether deserved or not).

threads. I'm already negative about the team, I don't want to feed that mindset.

The Knicks however are deep and have a coach that works really hard. Even if there's regression this year, I'm still very excited for this team's future. The front office made sure that the team can sustain through the inevitable injuries that they'll get.

A lot of people say that Boston is going to be in the conversation for the 3 -5 seed in the east and almost everyone says they're better than the Knicks. I just don't see it. but maybe I'm just projecting what they did last year to this year.

The guy is like a nice pitbull.

He's all effort and hardwork without having one bone of asshole in his body.

They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth..

NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good..

Totally homeriffic predictions:

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Realistic predictions

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

In comment 15419017 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

Who you playing him over?

I have no team that I really follow but love the sport and the league. Hopefully, you guys will let me chime in from time to time.

High floor player.

spot minutes later in the year on rest days for Kemba, or if Rose/Kemba/Quickley have to miss time because of an injury.

Other than that, it's going to be hard for him to get run this year.

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They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth.. NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good..

Their bench five is:

Langford
Horford
Pritchard
Nesmith
Richardson
Kanter

Its not an awful bench. Juancho could fill in for a pinch as well too. I know Boston is looking for leaps from both Nesmith and Langford.

Schoeder is going to be much better away from Lebron.

Fournier will be a flop
I don’t see him playing the type of defense Thibs wants and he won’t shoot as high as percentage as he shot in years past
Thank god it’s only 3 years guaranteed and Leon will look to package his salary in a trade

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In comment 15419002 nygiants16 said: Quote: They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth.. NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good.. Their bench five is: Langford Horford Pritchard Nesmith Richardson Kanter Its not an awful bench. Juancho could fill in for a pinch as well too. I know Boston is looking for leaps from both Nesmith and Langford. Schoeder is going to be much better away from Lebron.

Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns..

I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2..

Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee

Never thought I'd say that again, but oh man I am ready to watch a team that I love be fun again.

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that after 20 years of Dolan-owned septic swill, I am more excited to watch the Knicks and Rangers than my beloved Giants. I went hunting with a friend yesterday and taped the game. Won't even bother to watch it. May retire my BBI account so I am not surrounded by negativity (whether deserved or not).

Watch the first quarter. Then, delete.

In comment 15419128 Earl the goat said:

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Fournier will be a flop I don’t see him playing the type of defense Thibs wants and he won’t shoot as high as percentage as he shot in years past Thank god it’s only 3 years guaranteed and Leon will look to package his salary in a trade

I can see his scoring average dipping a bit, but I don't see what you're seeing. He seems ready to be a part of something solid.

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Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns.. I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2.. Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee

I like Nesmith. He is kind of fearless out there. Horford may be washed, but Kanter can still score and get offensive rebounds. Always been terrible defensively.

I like their bench better than the Bulls. Who basically have a hurt Colby Smith, Caruso and fillers.

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In comment 15419137 nygiants16 said: Quote: Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns.. I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2.. Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee I like Nesmith. He is kind of fearless out there. Horford may be washed, but Kanter can still score and get offensive rebounds. Always been terrible defensively. I like their bench better than the Bulls. Who basically have a hurt Colby Smith, Caruso and fillers.

Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names

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Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names

I like their first five. I actually seem playing well, but their bench is brutal. I think Vuc and Demar are great leaders and have no problems taking less shots. Ball is Ball and will get open looks.

But they will struggle if someone gets hurt or if they dont shoot well cause their bench doesnt do anything particular well.

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In comment 15419168 nygiants16 said: Quote: Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names I like their first five. I actually seem playing well, but their bench is brutal. I think Vuc and Demar are great leaders and have no problems taking less shots. Ball is Ball and will get open looks. But they will struggle if someone gets hurt or if they dont shoot well cause their bench doesnt do anything particular well.

My only question is how does Demar and Ball fit if Ball doesnt shoot the ball well, Demar is best with the ball in his hands..

They all have to take a backseat to Lavine in my opinion but Demar is nothing off the ball because he cant shoot the 3..

They are going to habe spacing issues especially in close playoff type of games..

He is going to have more open looks than he has ever had in his career, he has always been a 2nd option, now he is a 4th maybe 5th optio and will get a lot of open looks

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In comment 15419191 GNewGiants said: My only question is how does Demar and Ball fit if Ball doesnt shoot the ball well, Demar is best with the ball in his hands.. They all have to take a backseat to Lavine in my opinion but Demar is nothing off the ball because he cant shoot the 3.. They are going to habe spacing issues especially in close playoff type of games..

No doubt. I can see Derozan be the de-facto point guard. Ball played more off the ball last year when they put Zion at the point. I can see derozan and Vuc playing a lot together and Ball/Lavine playing when the other two sit.

They are an interesting team for sure. They'll be in the playoff mix for sure. Lot of holes though in that roster.

struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG.

Moving the ball around, multiple unselfish scorers. I was one that did not think it would work but they have a team that is not selfish and willing to make the extra pass.
They are going to be dangerous this year.
The east is going to be really tough this year.

concern with the Bulls will be their defense. Offensively they should be very good. Hollinger shockingly ranked them 11th in the East! I think that's nuts.

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Moving the ball around, multiple unselfish scorers. I was one that did not think it would work but they have a team that is not selfish and willing to make the extra pass. They are going to be dangerous this year. The east is going to be really tough this year.

I want to see it in close games when teams start locking down on defense..

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struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG.

There will be chemistry issues to start off the season 2/5 of the starters are new and trying to figure everyone out.
I don't think Fournier will drop in performance at all. He has been a consistent shooter his whole career and once they get the spacing right he will get a ton of open looks.

is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

I am predicting a disappointing year for Lamelo. He has flair that makes the highlights, but he still doesnt shoot it consistently for me. I think Scary Terry is a much better player.

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In comment 15419226 DanMetroMan said: Quote: struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG. There will be chemistry issues to start off the season 2/5 of the starters are new and trying to figure everyone out. I don't think Fournier will drop in performance at all. He has been a consistent shooter his whole career and once they get the spacing right he will get a ton of open looks.

Only thing I'd note with Fournier, is despite his career 3 point %, he's had full seasons where he was more "good" than great. 2016-2017 he shot 35.6% from 3, 2018-2019 he shot 34% from 3. Generally speaking, truly elite shooters don't have full seasons where they shoot that far below their career marks. That's not a knock, rather if he shoots 36-37% from 3 vs. 40+, I don't think anybody should be surprised.

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

He was a professional athlete so the line was there and plus he had the resources to develop them.
I am more surprised they are not basket cases mentally with him as their father.

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got?

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. I am predicting a disappointing year for Lamelo. He has flair that makes the highlights, but he still doesnt shoot it consistently for me. I think Scary Terry is a much better player.

Kinda besides the point (he's only 20). Considering his brother went from awful shooter to a good one, I have little doubt that LaMelo will end up above average as a shooter, with his undeniable skills will get there too. 16, 6 and 6 as a rookie. He shot 44% from the field, 35% from 3. If a Knick 19 year old PG put up the numbers (and shooting LaMelo did) we'd be going fucking insane and calling him Kidd 2.0

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got?

That's a great question. I'm very curious to see what Lonzo looks like as more of a primary/traditional 1 this year. I think he's going to have a true breakout season. I think LaMelo is going to be a true "top 5-10 at his position" level player. I think his rookie/age 19 season was underrated tbh. .93 WS/48, 17.5 PER, again if we had a rookie 19 year old PG do that we'd be losing out shit.

In comment 15419274 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. He was a professional athlete so the line was there and plus he had the resources to develop them. I am more surprised they are not basket cases mentally with him as their father.

They actually seem to be pretty decent guys if you hear them speak all things considered.

Frankly, Lonzo has seemed somewhat embarrassed about his father on more than one occasion.

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In comment 15419277 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got? That's a great question. I'm very curious to see what Lonzo looks like as more of a primary/traditional 1 this year. I think he's going to have a true breakout season. I think LaMelo is going to be a true "top 5-10 at his position" level player. I think his rookie/age 19 season was underrated tbh. .93 WS/48, 17.5 PER, again if we had a rookie 19 year old PG do that we'd be losing out shit.

I agree with your assessment of LaMelo. He's got a feel for the game that is next level, even at his young age. And I also think that Lonzo can fit really well on the team he's on now. Surrounded by makers where he can be a 3+D distributor. It's a good fit.

But Jrue is a better player than both of those guys right now because he's a vet, a pro's pro and so well rounded. LaMelo's ceiling is arguably higher than Jrue (which is really impressive). Lonzo's ceiling probably IS Jrue.

The other Holiday brothers are solid NBA rotation guys. Both better than LiAngelo but not as good as the other Balls.

PS Speaking of Holidays, I did NOT enjoy watching Aaron Holiday absolutely working Kemba off the dribble Friday. That sucked. They clearly saw that as a weakness in the Knicks D and attacked it and it worked. Dislike. Unseld JR had a bad team playing hard. Good for him.

Outside of Orlando it's mostly playoff teams.
They will need to gel quickly and the center position is a big question mark until Noel is healthy and Robinson is up to speed.
Side note I got tickets for the Charlotte game on the November 12th going to make a weekend trip down there.

won't be good but they do have some good/interesting young talent and I read both Bamba/Hampton impressed during pre-season. I actually think their roster is pretty interesting/fun

Suggs, Wagner, Hampton, Bamba, Isaac, Carter Jr, Anthony, + Fultz, Ross etc

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

He played like 2 minutes this preaseason. I think that answers the question.

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In comment 15419017 LTIsTheGreatest said: Quote: kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time He played like 2 minutes this preaseason. I think that answers the question.

He will be on the bench until one of Kemba and Rose misses time, which will absolutely happen at some point. But if both are healthy, he's strictly gonna be first guy off the bench high fiving players when Angry Thibs calls a timeout.

Ball
Barrett
Odi
Zion
Mitch

Nets and Lakers wont have homecourt in the 1st round, i think both will be around 5th or 6th seed..

Nets will be a factor in the playoffs but Harden and Durant are not going all out in the regular season and their bench is old. Missing Kyrie is going to hurt them more than people wish to discuss and no Jeff Green will hurt them. Their defense is going to be horrible, they are slow footed..

Lakers i hate what they did this offseason, they basically made the same mistake as their first season with Lebron. Added ball handlers rather than shooters, Westbrook and Lebron dont fit, and their bench is old, another slow footed team..

Brandon Ingram, Jaxson Hayes, and Alexander get traded to the Wizards for Beal.

Wow, he doesnt look good.

Just saw Vegas has the Knicks over/under at 41.5 seriously??? I know we're extremely biased but that's the easiest bet of all time. Barring a catastrophic barrage of injuries this team is finishing over .500
Sure there can be some regression from last year. However just watch Friday night's pre season game. I know Washington sucks and it was pre season. However in a league where teams take nights off routinely, the compete level alone if this team will get them 42-45 wins.

is how much the drop off will be defensively, offensively once the team meshes is going to be very good..

But we saw that last preseason game how teams can take advantage of the Knicks attacking Kemba without a shotblocker..

I think it will take a litlte bit for Kemba to get used to playing off Julius and Rj to an extent, Kemba is used to the ball in his hands and it will be at times but Julius runs the offense when he is on the court..

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is how much the drop off will be defensively, offensively once the team meshes is going to be very good.. But we saw that last preseason game how teams can take advantage of the Knicks attacking Kemba without a shotblocker.. I think it will take a litlte bit for Kemba to get used to playing off Julius and Rj to an extent, Kemba is used to the ball in his hands and it will be at times but Julius runs the offense when he is on the court..

Definitely a concern. I think Thibs will go to the second unit more early on if he has too. He trusts those guys. He made mention of that in his PC after the last preseason game. He knows it is going to take time for that first unit to gel. He said they just need to play. So, they will but if the game is tight in the 4th I would expect to see guys like Rose and Burks on the court and maybe even Obi if the situation calls for it. It'll be fun (hopefully) seeing how he handles the rotations.

when Kemba has it going and the game is close does Thibs go with Kemba or Rose?

He has trusted Rose whenever he coached him and Rose has delivered, but Kemba i mean that is cardiac Kemba he thrives in the clutch..

Will definitely be interesting

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Brandon Ingram, Jaxson Hayes, and Alexander get traded to the Wizards for Beal.

Unless they a firm commitment or even an extension from Beal, no way New Orleans is risking him leaving next summer. But Griffin does make some terrible moves so you never know.

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when Kemba has it going and the game is close does Thibs go with Kemba or Rose? He has trusted Rose whenever he coached him and Rose has delivered, but Kemba i mean that is cardiac Kemba he thrives in the clutch.. Will definitely be interesting

Any chance that both see the floor together in those instances? I don't see a superstar #2 that absolutely needs to get those minutes.

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In comment 15419813 nygiants16 said: Quote: when Kemba has it going and the game is close does Thibs go with Kemba or Rose? He has trusted Rose whenever he coached him and Rose has delivered, but Kemba i mean that is cardiac Kemba he thrives in the clutch.. Will definitely be interesting Any chance that both see the floor together in those instances? I don't see a superstar #2 that absolutely needs to get those minutes.

I thjnk they could during certain teams but i worry defensively

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when Kemba has it going and the game is close does Thibs go with Kemba or Rose? He has trusted Rose whenever he coached him and Rose has delivered, but Kemba i mean that is cardiac Kemba he thrives in the clutch.. Will definitely be interesting

It's going to come down to whether or not Kemba can defend. If he's a liability on defense, he's not going to see crunch time minutes.

Trust and comfort there.

Super pumped for Knicks hoops. LFG!

Hopefully, it's just a matter of getting used to the new teammates. There is no obvious reason that his shooting and passing capability should decline that much.

On the other hand, it is important to note that in the thread opener, Fournier is considered a 2, backed by Quickley, with Barrett the 3, backed by Burks, not the other way around. If Fournier struggles to open the season, it wouldn't be an upset if Grimes gets 10 or so of his minutes. Thibs was ebullient about Grimes on Saturday, and he will get some time as a really good shooter and excellent defender--already a better defender than Fournier, for sure. The question then is what they do with Quickley, who still tends to be streaky, but the Knicks would still love to see him show capacity to play the pg when one of the two veterans wears down or gets injured.

As far as McBride is concerned, the reality is that he is probably on the wrong team. I think it will take one of the two veteran pgs being injured and Quickley playing the point poorly before McBride gets any burn this year. That's disappointing to me, because he can shoot, handle the ball and defend really well, but it is what it is.

It's just fun that they have so much youth, so much depth and so much talent at every position--and lots of draft picks to help facilitate a trade for a star.

Last point: I think Thibs has become convinced to use a small-ball 5 at times, with Randle at the 5 and Toppin at the 4, or vice versa. Lumbering back-up centers would go nuts trying to handle this.

The new look Knicks.

Just because Mcbride may not play a lot thisbyear doesnt mean he is on the wrong team, he will get minutes eventually..

Grimes is not going to take minutes from Fournier, Thibs is not playing 11 guys, Grimes will take minutes from IQ

If he is the real deal he gets to develop behind 2 all-star PG's
He is not ready to step in and get big minutes this year.
Let him develop

very high on McBride and he reminds me of a starter kit Kyle Lowry.

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very high on McBride and he reminds me of a starter kit Kyle Lowry.

Definitely a good comp.
Hopefully he can take over the PG in 3 years.

Bridges and Shamet get extensions from the Suns..

Brogdon got an extension from Pacers

Grayson Allen got an extension from Bucks..

Deandre Ayton wont get an extension from Pboenix

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Mitchell Robinson, Knicks: One player who stood out to me physically was New York’s Mitchell Robinson, and not in a great way. The fourth-year pro looks noticeably thicker through the shoulders and legs, but I question whether packing on muscle was the right strategy for a player whose bounciness around the rim was his defining positive. A couple of missed chances at the rim in the Washington game made you wonder whether Robinson would have completed them if he were lighter.


Obi Toppin, Knicks: New York was trying to win on Friday and rallied from a double-digit fourth-quarter deficit with an interesting lineup pairing that had Obi Toppin at center. The Knicks have been reluctant to use Toppin this way and have three other centers that all have seen significant minutes. Defensively, this isn’t a great pairing, but offensively, it’s New York’s best lineup; it’s not even close. Toppin can put pressure on the rim like a traditional center but has way more perimeter skill; his ability to at least sort of hit 3s forced Washington into some uncomfortable matchup problems of their own. I’m hopeful we’ll see more of this in the regular season.


PROSPECT OF THE WEEK: Rokas Jokubaitis, SG, FC Barcelona, (rights owned by Knicks)

I’ll get to players from the 2022 draft in a bit, but this week I wanted to highlight the torrid start by the Lithuanian guard the Knicks drafted with the 34th pick in the 2021 draft.

At this point, European teams have already played several games, so we’re already getting an impression of who is off to a great start and who isn’t. The most notable outlier from the previous year’s performance might be Jokubaitis, who has exploded in the early going in his first season in Spain. Most notably, he’s been able to convert both frequently and efficiently inside the arc despite moving up to a more difficult league, hitting 20 of his 31 2-point attempts while drawing fouls at roughly double the rate of a year ago.

Some athletic limitations will always be there for Jokubaitis — he’s stuck on zero blocks for the season and has a grand total of nine in his six seasons of international basketball. But as a savvy midrange and paint scorer whose 3-pointer should be good enough, he looks like a really interesting rotation guard for next year and beyond. We’re still working in small-sample territory — he’s played 12 games — but his start is really encouraging sign for Knicks fans.

I'm fine with Mitch bulking up, not going to lose sleep over it after 1 preseason appearance.

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I'm fine with Mitch bulking up, not going to lose sleep over it after 1 preseason appearance.

Running the floor more and hitting the weight room less may take care of it naturally.

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Bridges and Shamet get extensions from the Suns.. Brogdon got an extension from Pacers Grayson Allen got an extension from Bucks.. Deandre Ayton wont get an extension from Pboenix

Sarver is going to nickel & dime again. What a buffoon.

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Totally homeriffic predictions: Bucks Sixers Heat Knicks Nets Hawks Bulls Celtics Realistic predictions Bucks Heat Sixers Hawks Nets Knicks Bulls Celtics

Nets that low? You thinking injuries to KD or Harden or both?

To me, it is Bucks & Nets as clear faves. I have no clue re. 76ers considering Simmons situation. I think Hawks, Heat, & Knicks are in the same win range area, 44ish-48ish. I think Celts could surprise, but who knows? Boston was soft AF last season. I have no feel on Chicago; I like Williams, but where's the defense?

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In comment 15419014 nygiants16 said: Quote: Totally homeriffic predictions: Bucks Sixers Heat Knicks Nets Hawks Bulls Celtics Realistic predictions Bucks Heat Sixers Hawks Nets Knicks Bulls Celtics Nets that low? You thinking injuries to KD or Harden or both? To me, it is Bucks & Nets as clear faves. I have no clue re. 76ers considering Simmons situation. I think Hawks, Heat, & Knicks are in the same win range area, 44ish-48ish. I think Celts could surprise, but who knows? Boston was soft AF last season. I have no feel on Chicago; I like Williams, but where's the defense?

I dont think the Nets will go all out in the regular season, they are an older team and with no kyrie, Harden and KD have to take on more of the load

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In comment 15420316 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 15419014 nygiants16 said: Quote: Totally homeriffic predictions: Bucks Sixers Heat Knicks Nets Hawks Bulls Celtics Realistic predictions Bucks Heat Sixers Hawks Nets Knicks Bulls Celtics Nets that low? You thinking injuries to KD or Harden or both? To me, it is Bucks & Nets as clear faves. I have no clue re. 76ers considering Simmons situation. I think Hawks, Heat, & Knicks are in the same win range area, 44ish-48ish. I think Celts could surprise, but who knows? Boston was soft AF last season. I have no feel on Chicago; I like Williams, but where's the defense? I dont think the Nets will go all out in the regular season, they are an older team and with no kyrie, Harden and KD have to take on more of the load

I don't agree KD and Harden have never been ones for heavy load management and I think they have something to prove this year.
I think you have the Sixers too high
The sixers are going to implode on themselves this year.
Embid needs to shut up and get in shape.

Harden had a bad hamstring injury in the preseaaon..

They are relying on big minutes for Friffin, milsap and aldridge as their bigs..

They are an older team, they arent going all out in the regular season

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Harden had a bad hamstring injury in the preseaaon.. They are relying on big minutes for Friffin, milsap and aldridge as their bigs.. They are an older team, they arent going all out in the regular season

postseaaon

What would you give up to get him?

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What would you give up to get him?

Don’t know if it would be enough but start with Mitch and Toppin and not much more than that. Maybe a draft pick if needed but with heavy protections.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on his game, but it seems like you can probably find guys who can give you 80%-90% of his production for 30%-40% of the cost.

Unless it's Anthony Davis or a force of nature type guy like Shaq or young Dwight Howard, I think you're better off saving your big money for lead guards and wings.

if he thinks Mitch didnt finish a couple times around the rim cause he put on weight then he didnt watch Mitch before he put on weight. If its not a dunk Mitch has always had his issues, ha.

Also why do i care about Jokubaitis having so few blocks? Like that is the thing he points out as an issue? Does he play ok D and not block shots, i mean he is a SG, i dont really care how many blocks he gets, lol.

calling out the athletic for hiring Fred Katz and not a ckntent creator? then when Fred called him out Tommy Dee backtracked and now calling out people for twisting his words hahabahahaha

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Also why do i care about Jokubaitis having so few blocks? Like that is the thing he points out as an issue? Does he play ok D and not block shots, i mean he is a SG, i dont really care how many blocks he gets, lol.

Think of blocks for a guard like a leading indicator of general athleticism, strong positive correlation between general athleticism and guard blocks.

have wannabees like Tommy Dee chirping about the team all the time. Seems like the Knicks have a few.

Sounds like a toolbag.

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Sounds like a toolbag.

He had a blog, i think it was paid for by SNY at one point, made up rumors and pretended he had sources for awhile..

he says this wasnt meant as a shot towards Fred Katz and said he jist wants to get content creators paid..

@ThomasCDee
The Athletic not hiring a top #Knicks content creator to cover the team is pretty fascinating to me.

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In comment 15420890 Italianju said: Quote: Also why do i care about Jokubaitis having so few blocks? Like that is the thing he points out as an issue? Does he play ok D and not block shots, i mean he is a SG, i dont really care how many blocks he gets, lol. Think of blocks for a guard like a leading indicator of general athleticism, strong positive correlation between general athleticism and guard blocks.

This. Hollinger might be a hater but in this case he's pointing out his defensive limitations given his athleticism. I remember when Mannion was coming out, this was used as an example of this... 0 blocks over 32 games in college.

Harden didn't extend with the Nets. He can now be a free agent next summer - but there really isn't an obvious destination for him given cap constraints around the league. He could have locked in a massive number if he extended now, but maybe he's looking for even more money next year? I have no idea what his max is next summer, but it might be the biggest contract in the history of the league.

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Harden didn't extend with the Nets. He can now be a free agent next summer - but there really isn't an obvious destination for him given cap constraints around the league. He could have locked in a massive number if he extended now, but maybe he's looking for even more money next year? I have no idea what his max is next summer, but it might be the biggest contract in the history of the league.

If he waits and opts into his deal, his following max ends with him making 60 million

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Tom Thibodeau said Nerlens Noel remains doubtful for tomorrow. He said Noel was close to being ready to play early in camp but suggested there was a minor setback. Thibodeau said Noel is making progress, did a little more in practice today but hasn’t practiced fully yet.

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In comment 15421123 adamg said: Quote: Sounds like a toolbag. He had a blog, i think it was paid for by SNY at one point, made up rumors and pretended he had sources for awhile.. he says this wasnt meant as a shot towards Fred Katz and said he jist wants to get content creators paid.. @ThomasCDee The Athletic not hiring a top #Knicks content creator to cover the team is pretty fascinating to me.

The Knicks fanbase does a great job of producing their own insightful content. Macri, Knicks Film School, and others are must-follows.

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In comment 15421137 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15421123 adamg said: Quote: Sounds like a toolbag. He had a blog, i think it was paid for by SNY at one point, made up rumors and pretended he had sources for awhile.. he says this wasnt meant as a shot towards Fred Katz and said he jist wants to get content creators paid.. @ThomasCDee The Athletic not hiring a top #Knicks content creator to cover the team is pretty fascinating to me. The Knicks fanbase does a great job of producing their own insightful content. Macri, Knicks Film School, and others are must-follows.

I think Macri is credentialed now..

Knicksfantv is my favorite right now..

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Al Horford is OUT due to Health and Safety Protocols.
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me of the last year of the big 3 in miami, Wade was getting older and they surrounded them eith older past their prime players who were basically done

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me of the last year of the big 3 in miami, Wade was getting older and they surrounded them eith older past their prime players who were basically done

I'm glad KD didn't want to come to the Knicks. Personally I so much more enjoy the way the Knicks have gone about this rebuild. They are young and so much fun to watch.

Look like they belong at the YMCA.

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Look like they belong at the YMCA.

They are going to struggle this year, they wont be a top 3 seed in the east because their depth is old, but once playoffs hit they will be tough to beat because Durant and Harden will play 40 minutes

dude is stealing money

He has no explosion.

he is coming to give him his vaccine, they have no depth, 1 point from the bench outside of Patty mills..that is awful

by the Bucks

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he is coming to give him his vaccine, they have no depth, 1 point from the bench outside of Patty mills..that is awful

How much of the cap do their big three take up? Probably harder to have a lot of quality depth with three contracts that size.

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In comment 15422188 nygiants16 said: Quote: he is coming to give him his vaccine, they have no depth, 1 point from the bench outside of Patty mills..that is awful How much of the cap do their big three take up? Probably harder to have a lot of quality depth with three contracts that size.

If they had Kyrie the depth eoukdnt br as big kf an issue but when you only have 2 now and the 3rd highest paid guybplaying is Joe Harris your in trouble..

Harden and KD can score 30 to 35 a night but who is going to be that consistent 3rd option?

it is going to kill your depth..

People just made it seem like well they have Harden and KD still no big deal, they are still the favorites..

but the Westbrook Lakers trade is going to blow up in the Lakers face. He doesn't fit that group even a little bit. I know it's just the first game, but Westbrook was not the type of player they needed. He will do a lot more harm than good for the lakers this year

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but the Westbrook Lakers trade is going to blow up in the Lakers face. He doesn't fit that group even a little bit. I know it's just the first game, but Westbrook was not the type of player they needed. He will do a lot more harm than good for the lakers this year

Yup agreed 100, i mentioned it earlier my 2 bold predictions is that neither the Nets or thr Lakers will finish as a top 4 seed..

Is Mook80 the old MookGiants?

Perfect start to the season.