NFT: Knicks chat: Season starts Wednesday against Boston

He was also one of our better players in the playoffs last year. He'll do fine until Noel comes back and Robinson gets his starter form back.

since his playoff coming out. Hope he keeps it up especially on D.

with the possibility that, if IQ is off or not playing D, we see a little of Grimes.

It was interesting seeing Thibs talk about him last game. And, yes, it sounds like Gibson will play a decent amount early on which isn't a bad thing. This team is amazingly deep.

Is that he can put the ball on the court and create his own shot.

that after 20 years of Dolan-owned septic swill, I am more excited to watch the Knicks and Rangers than my beloved Giants.

I went hunting with a friend yesterday and taped the game. Won't even bother to watch it. May retire my BBI account so I am not surrounded by negativity (whether deserved or not).

threads. I'm already negative about the team, I don't want to feed that mindset.

The Knicks however are deep and have a coach that works really hard. Even if there's regression this year, I'm still very excited for this team's future. The front office made sure that the team can sustain through the inevitable injuries that they'll get.

A lot of people say that Boston is going to be in the conversation for the 3 -5 seed in the east and almost everyone says they're better than the Knicks. I just don't see it. but maybe I'm just projecting what they did last year to this year.

The guy is like a nice pitbull.

He's all effort and hardwork without having one bone of asshole in his body.

They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth..

NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good..

Totally homeriffic predictions:

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Realistic predictions

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

In comment 15419017 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

Who you playing him over?

I have no team that I really follow but love the sport and the league. Hopefully, you guys will let me chime in from time to time.

High floor player.

spot minutes later in the year on rest days for Kemba, or if Rose/Kemba/Quickley have to miss time because of an injury.

Other than that, it's going to be hard for him to get run this year.

In comment 15419002 nygiants16 said:

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They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth.. NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good..

Their bench five is:

Langford
Horford
Pritchard
Nesmith
Richardson
Kanter

Its not an awful bench. Juancho could fill in for a pinch as well too. I know Boston is looking for leaps from both Nesmith and Langford.

Schoeder is going to be much better away from Lebron.

Fournier will be a flop
I don’t see him playing the type of defense Thibs wants and he won’t shoot as high as percentage as he shot in years past
Thank god it’s only 3 years guaranteed and Leon will look to package his salary in a trade

In comment 15419112 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15419002 nygiants16 said: Quote: They have Tatum and Brown so i get somewhat why they are in the conversation but they have no depth.. NBA analysts also seem to think anything Boston does is good, example Horford and Schroeder, Horford is washed and Schroeder is just not good.. Their bench five is: Langford Horford Pritchard Nesmith Richardson Kanter Its not an awful bench. Juancho could fill in for a pinch as well too. I know Boston is looking for leaps from both Nesmith and Langford. Schoeder is going to be much better away from Lebron.

Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns..

I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2..

Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee

Never thought I'd say that again, but oh man I am ready to watch a team that I love be fun again.

In comment 15418896 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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that after 20 years of Dolan-owned septic swill, I am more excited to watch the Knicks and Rangers than my beloved Giants. I went hunting with a friend yesterday and taped the game. Won't even bother to watch it. May retire my BBI account so I am not surrounded by negativity (whether deserved or not).

Watch the first quarter. Then, delete.

In comment 15419128 Earl the goat said:

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Fournier will be a flop I don’t see him playing the type of defense Thibs wants and he won’t shoot as high as percentage as he shot in years past Thank god it’s only 3 years guaranteed and Leon will look to package his salary in a trade

I can see his scoring average dipping a bit, but I don't see what you're seeing. He seems ready to be a part of something solid.

In comment 15419137 nygiants16 said:

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Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns.. I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2.. Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee

I like Nesmith. He is kind of fearless out there. Horford may be washed, but Kanter can still score and get offensive rebounds. Always been terrible defensively.

I like their bench better than the Bulls. Who basically have a hurt Colby Smith, Caruso and fillers.

In comment 15419163 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15419137 nygiants16 said: Quote: Horford ia washed, Richardson was dreadful last year playing alongside one of the best pkahers in the NBA, Nesmith and Langford are conpletely unknowns.. I like Prichard, he is a gamer and i think he should be the starter with smart at the 2.. Problem for Celtics to me is Tatum and Brown dont make players around them better and that needs to be the next step for Tatum he can score with the best of them but his game needs to evolve into a better all around playee I like Nesmith. He is kind of fearless out there. Horford may be washed, but Kanter can still score and get offensive rebounds. Always been terrible defensively. I like their bench better than the Bulls. Who basically have a hurt Colby Smith, Caruso and fillers.

Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names

In comment 15419168 nygiants16 said:

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Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names

I like their first five. I actually seem playing well, but their bench is brutal. I think Vuc and Demar are great leaders and have no problems taking less shots. Ball is Ball and will get open looks.

But they will struggle if someone gets hurt or if they dont shoot well cause their bench doesnt do anything particular well.

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In comment 15419168 nygiants16 said: Quote: Yeah i dont like the Bulls either, i think they are getting overrated because of Names I like their first five. I actually seem playing well, but their bench is brutal. I think Vuc and Demar are great leaders and have no problems taking less shots. Ball is Ball and will get open looks. But they will struggle if someone gets hurt or if they dont shoot well cause their bench doesnt do anything particular well.

My only question is how does Demar and Ball fit if Ball doesnt shoot the ball well, Demar is best with the ball in his hands..

They all have to take a backseat to Lavine in my opinion but Demar is nothing off the ball because he cant shoot the 3..

They are going to habe spacing issues especially in close playoff type of games..

He is going to have more open looks than he has ever had in his career, he has always been a 2nd option, now he is a 4th maybe 5th optio and will get a lot of open looks

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In comment 15419191 GNewGiants said: My only question is how does Demar and Ball fit if Ball doesnt shoot the ball well, Demar is best with the ball in his hands.. They all have to take a backseat to Lavine in my opinion but Demar is nothing off the ball because he cant shoot the 3.. They are going to habe spacing issues especially in close playoff type of games..

No doubt. I can see Derozan be the de-facto point guard. Ball played more off the ball last year when they put Zion at the point. I can see derozan and Vuc playing a lot together and Ball/Lavine playing when the other two sit.

They are an interesting team for sure. They'll be in the playoff mix for sure. Lot of holes though in that roster.

struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG.

Moving the ball around, multiple unselfish scorers. I was one that did not think it would work but they have a team that is not selfish and willing to make the extra pass.
They are going to be dangerous this year.
The east is going to be really tough this year.

concern with the Bulls will be their defense. Offensively they should be very good. Hollinger shockingly ranked them 11th in the East! I think that's nuts.

In comment 15419242 larryflower37 said:

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Moving the ball around, multiple unselfish scorers. I was one that did not think it would work but they have a team that is not selfish and willing to make the extra pass. They are going to be dangerous this year. The east is going to be really tough this year.

I want to see it in close games when teams start locking down on defense..

In comment 15419226 DanMetroMan said:

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struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG.

There will be chemistry issues to start off the season 2/5 of the starters are new and trying to figure everyone out.
I don't think Fournier will drop in performance at all. He has been a consistent shooter his whole career and once they get the spacing right he will get a ton of open looks.

is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said:

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

I am predicting a disappointing year for Lamelo. He has flair that makes the highlights, but he still doesnt shoot it consistently for me. I think Scary Terry is a much better player.

In comment 15419258 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15419226 DanMetroMan said: Quote: struggling a bit with his shot over 4 games means nothing. He's a "lock" to shoot 36+% from 3. Wouldn't shock me to see one or more of the new guys struggle initially shooting-wise at home. Happens to some guys at MSG. There will be chemistry issues to start off the season 2/5 of the starters are new and trying to figure everyone out. I don't think Fournier will drop in performance at all. He has been a consistent shooter his whole career and once they get the spacing right he will get a ton of open looks.

Only thing I'd note with Fournier, is despite his career 3 point %, he's had full seasons where he was more "good" than great. 2016-2017 he shot 35.6% from 3, 2018-2019 he shot 34% from 3. Generally speaking, truly elite shooters don't have full seasons where they shoot that far below their career marks. That's not a knock, rather if he shoots 36-37% from 3 vs. 40+, I don't think anybody should be surprised.

In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said:

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

He was a professional athlete so the line was there and plus he had the resources to develop them.
I am more surprised they are not basket cases mentally with him as their father.

In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said:

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is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive.

Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got?

In comment 15419265 GNewGiants said:

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. I am predicting a disappointing year for Lamelo. He has flair that makes the highlights, but he still doesnt shoot it consistently for me. I think Scary Terry is a much better player.

Kinda besides the point (he's only 20). Considering his brother went from awful shooter to a good one, I have little doubt that LaMelo will end up above average as a shooter, with his undeniable skills will get there too. 16, 6 and 6 as a rookie. He shot 44% from the field, 35% from 3. If a Knick 19 year old PG put up the numbers (and shooting LaMelo did) we'd be going fucking insane and calling him Kidd 2.0

In comment 15419277 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got?

That's a great question. I'm very curious to see what Lonzo looks like as more of a primary/traditional 1 this year. I think he's going to have a true breakout season. I think LaMelo is going to be a true "top 5-10 at his position" level player. I think his rookie/age 19 season was underrated tbh. .93 WS/48, 17.5 PER, again if we had a rookie 19 year old PG do that we'd be losing out shit.

In comment 15419274 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. He was a professional athlete so the line was there and plus he had the resources to develop them. I am more surprised they are not basket cases mentally with him as their father.

They actually seem to be pretty decent guys if you hear them speak all things considered.

Frankly, Lonzo has seemed somewhat embarrassed about his father on more than one occasion.

In comment 15419286 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15419277 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15419260 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a moron but for all of the clowning 2 of his sons are very good (one with star upside) and the third one is still a potential NBA player. 3 NBA players out of 3 sons is pretty impressive. Ball's vs Holiday's. Who you got? That's a great question. I'm very curious to see what Lonzo looks like as more of a primary/traditional 1 this year. I think he's going to have a true breakout season. I think LaMelo is going to be a true "top 5-10 at his position" level player. I think his rookie/age 19 season was underrated tbh. .93 WS/48, 17.5 PER, again if we had a rookie 19 year old PG do that we'd be losing out shit.

I agree with your assessment of LaMelo. He's got a feel for the game that is next level, even at his young age. And I also think that Lonzo can fit really well on the team he's on now. Surrounded by makers where he can be a 3+D distributor. It's a good fit.

But Jrue is a better player than both of those guys right now because he's a vet, a pro's pro and so well rounded. LaMelo's ceiling is arguably higher than Jrue (which is really impressive). Lonzo's ceiling probably IS Jrue.

The other Holiday brothers are solid NBA rotation guys. Both better than LiAngelo but not as good as the other Balls.

PS Speaking of Holidays, I did NOT enjoy watching Aaron Holiday absolutely working Kemba off the dribble Friday. That sucked. They clearly saw that as a weakness in the Knicks D and attacked it and it worked. Dislike. Unseld JR had a bad team playing hard. Good for him.

Outside of Orlando it's mostly playoff teams.
They will need to gel quickly and the center position is a big question mark until Noel is healthy and Robinson is up to speed.
Side note I got tickets for the Charlotte game on the November 12th going to make a weekend trip down there.

won't be good but they do have some good/interesting young talent and I read both Bamba/Hampton impressed during pre-season. I actually think their roster is pretty interesting/fun

Suggs, Wagner, Hampton, Bamba, Isaac, Carter Jr, Anthony, + Fultz, Ross etc

In comment 15419017 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time

He played like 2 minutes this preaseason. I think that answers the question.

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In comment 15419017 LTIsTheGreatest said: Quote: kid looks like a keeper. Hope he isnt confined to ride the pine except in garbage time He played like 2 minutes this preaseason. I think that answers the question.

He will be on the bench until one of Kemba and Rose misses time, which will absolutely happen at some point. But if both are healthy, he's strictly gonna be first guy off the bench high fiving players when Angry Thibs calls a timeout.

Ball
Barrett
Odi
Zion
Mitch

Nets and Lakers wont have homecourt in the 1st round, i think both will be around 5th or 6th seed..

Nets will be a factor in the playoffs but Harden and Durant are not going all out in the regular season and their bench is old. Missing Kyrie is going to hurt them more than people wish to discuss and no Jeff Green will hurt them. Their defense is going to be horrible, they are slow footed..

Lakers i hate what they did this offseason, they basically made the same mistake as their first season with Lebron. Added ball handlers rather than shooters, Westbrook and Lebron dont fit, and their bench is old, another slow footed team..

Brandon Ingram, Jaxson Hayes, and Alexander get traded to the Wizards for Beal.

Wow, he doesnt look good.