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Come...join me on the Arizona Cardinals bandwagon!

Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:21 am
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Seriously though....watching Giants games are so brutal. I left the bar at the beginning of the 4th quarter....My friends actually felt bad for me....What a pathetic mess.

I watched the Cards-Browns game when I got home and was very impressed with AZ on both sides of the ball. Fun team to watch. They are legit.

2018  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 9:26 am : link
Cards were 3-13, Giants were 5-11. Three years later, the Cards have completely turned over their roster and are 6-0. The Giants, meanwhile, are probably worse than ever.
What did they have like 3000 people in their stadium  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 9:28 am : link
I went to ASU and no one watched that shitty team. They watched the Sun Devils. They should go back to St Loius at least.
RE: What did they have like 3000 people in their stadium  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15419036 Debaser said:
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I went to ASU and no one watched that shitty team. They watched the Sun Devils. They should go back to St Loius at least.


they play in a great stadium and draw very well.
the Cardinals have won as many Super Bowl titles  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 9:35 am : link
as my daughter's T-ball team. Such an impressive franchise.
RE: the Cardinals have won as many Super Bowl titles  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 9:36 am : link
In comment 15419058 KDavies said:
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as my daughter's T-ball team. Such an impressive franchise.


And that has what, exactly, to do with the 2021 NFL?

Right now, the Cardinals are a far better team than the Giants, and probably will be better for a while.
Buffalo is in New York...  
islander1 : 10/18/2021 9:37 am : link
:D
RE: RE: the Cardinals have won as many Super Bowl titles  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15419064 Greg from LI said:
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as my daughter's T-ball team. Such an impressive franchise.



And that has what, exactly, to do with the 2021 NFL?

Right now, the Cardinals are a far better team than the Giants, and probably will be better for a while.


Wake me up when they win a Super Bowl.
wake me up when the Giants don't start a season 1-5  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 9:40 am : link
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Such thin skinned fans  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:46 am : link
lighten up!
RE: wake me up when the Giants don't start a season 1-5  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15419082 Greg from LI said:
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i feel like i am taking crazy pills
RE: Such thin skinned fans  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15419103 Jints in Carolina said:
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lighten up!


Yeah, right? Ten wins without a Super Bowl, and they are fellating teams without a Super Bowl in their entire franchise history....
RE: RE: Such thin skinned fans  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15419115 KDavies said:
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lighten up!



Yeah, right? Ten wins without a Super Bowl, and they are fellating teams without a Super Bowl in their entire franchise history....


*years, though it has seemed like 10 wins since then
They're a lot of fun to watch  
j_rud : 10/18/2021 9:50 am : link
Great example of the right regime change making really bold decisions and seeing a quick turnaround. The selection of Murray a year removed from Rosen as well as the trade for Hopkins reversed they're fortunes.
"I left the bar at the beginning of the 4th quarter."  
M.S. : 10/18/2021 9:51 am : link

You lasted that long?
The Giants have lost 10+ games in six of the past seven seasons  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 9:51 am : link
And will almost certainly make it seven of eight this year. Keep bragging about those long-past titles, though. Everything is fine.
RE: The Giants have lost 10+ games in six of the past seven seasons  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15419126 Greg from LI said:
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And will almost certainly make it seven of eight this year. Keep bragging about those long-past titles, though. Everything is fine.


It is possible to both acknowledge the Giants are bad right now and not give a shit about the Arizona Cardinals
RE: RE: The Giants have lost 10+ games in six of the past seven seasons  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15419143 KDavies said:
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And will almost certainly make it seven of eight this year. Keep bragging about those long-past titles, though. Everything is fine.



It is possible to both acknowledge the Giants are bad right now and not give a shit about the Arizona Cardinals


you are taking this way too seriously
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Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 9:57 am : link
In comment 15419124 M.S. said:
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You lasted that long?


Brutal
"the Giants are bad right now"  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 10:00 am : link
"right now" encompasses eight years.
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KDavies : 10/18/2021 10:03 am : link
In comment 15419159 Greg from LI said:
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"right now" encompasses eight years.


Yeah. 8 for the Giants. About 50 for the Cardinals
RE: RE: What did they have like 3000 people in their stadium  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15419046 Jints in Carolina said:
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I went to ASU and no one watched that shitty team. They watched the Sun Devils. They should go back to St Loius at least.



they play in a great stadium and draw very well.


Oh wait till they lose 2 in a row and the place will be like a library. A team that moves to Arizone of all places
I've decided to be a fair weather Bill's fan.  
penkap75 : 10/18/2021 10:17 am : link
They are a NY team after all.

I didn't like them in the late 80's/early 90s since they were our SB rivals. But they are easy to cheer for now.

Will always be a NYG fan, but I need some football happiness in my life.
Hey I'm open to joining a bandwagon. Buffalo fans seem pretty great,  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/18/2021 10:20 am : link
sticking with that team through all the years when the Pats won everything. Fun team.

Arizona had a good plan and acted on it. They've got an explosive offense and decent defense. We wish the Giants were run as well. Arizona feels to me like a 2021 franchise, while we're stuck in the 80s. Do they have staying power? Murray feels to me an injury waiting to happen, but 6-0 is pretty solid.
apparently I have touched a nerve  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2021 10:21 am : link
with of all things, Cardinals haters.
Lol, pointing to our franchise's championships  
widmerseyebrow : 10/18/2021 10:21 am : link
as if what's going on today is all just part of the plan to get the next one.
What does our Super Bowls have anything to do with  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2021 10:23 am : link
Us in 21? I don't think anyone is saying we would trade our history with the Cards.
i'd love to see an in depth analysis of how the Cards went from being  
markky : 10/18/2021 10:33 am : link
slightly worse than us to being a contender. What moves did they make vs. us? Include all picks, signings, trades, FA moves, and the order in which they were done. I think that would be very enlightening.

the Cards have made moves that have made them better. the Giants have not. sure, we have a piece here or there but overall we are as bad as ever.
RE: i'd love to see an in depth analysis of how the Cards went from being  
Gruber : 10/18/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15419262 markky said:
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slightly worse than us to being a contender. What moves did they make vs. us? Include all picks, signings, trades, FA moves, and the order in which they were done. I think that would be very enlightening.

the Cards have made moves that have made them better. the Giants have not. sure, we have a piece here or there but overall we are as bad as ever.


I started a thread asking just this question, because these are the kind of questions that could help us.
For some three seasons the Cards record was one year behind that of the Giants and the year before they drafted Murray, when Rosen was QB, they were regarded as having the worst OLine in the NFL, yet they haven't spent great draft resources in their OLine.
RE: I've decided to be a fair weather Bill's fan.  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15419207 penkap75 said:
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They are a NY team after all.

I didn't like them in the late 80's/early 90s since they were our SB rivals. But they are easy to cheer for now.

Will always be a NYG fan, but I need some football happiness in my life.


Nothing wrong with that I was cheeringlike heck for them to beat the Ravens in the playoffs. I have a grudge against them they beat us and the bills didn't plus the Vincent gallo move buffalo 66 and the fact they are the only team that really does play in ny. I am cool with it. I will probably be cheeing for them again
I tried to root for a different NBA team when the Knicks were  
Heisenberg : 10/18/2021 10:43 am : link
wallowing at the bottom of the NBA for 20 years and when Dolan stuck with Isiah Thomas. I couldn't do it. I thought, "I'll be a Spurs fan. I love Pop. I love the way they play." Couldn't do it. At least the Knicks seem to have gotten on the right track.

Nope, for better or worse, I'm stuck in this abusive relationship with the GMen. I'm gonna be here whenever it is we finally hit rock bottom.
Everyone at NY bar was rooting for the Bill too  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 10:44 am : link
for being a ny team i guess
RE: i'd love to see an in depth analysis of how the Cards went from being  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15419262 markky said:
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slightly worse than us to being a contender. What moves did they make vs. us? Include all picks, signings, trades, FA moves, and the order in which they were done. I think that would be very enlightening.

the Cards have made moves that have made them better. the Giants have not. sure, we have a piece here or there but overall we are as bad as ever.


The Cardinals realized they made a mistake with Rosen. Then they made the bold decision to not make the cover-up worse than the crime and drafted another one the next year. And hired a modern NFL new coach.

for those wanting to emulate the Cardinals "success"  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 10:53 am : link
the best strategy is two-fold:

1. draft Malik Willis
2. get a head coach that coaches to his strengths

it would help to luck out into a stupid trade such as getting Hopkins for free, but Bill O'Brien is out of the league.

Realistically, without Kyler Murray, they would be a 4 or 5 win league team. They were .500 with him last year.
RE: for those wanting to emulate the Cardinals  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 10:55 am : link
In comment 15419324 KDavies said:
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Realistically, without Kyler Murray, they would be a 4 or 5 win league team. They were .500 with him last year.


It's almost as if reaching for a mediocre QB at #6 overall was a mistake.
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Debaser : 10/18/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15419331 Greg from LI said:
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Realistically, without Kyler Murray, they would be a 4 or 5 win league team. They were .500 with him last year.



It's almost as if reaching for a mediocre QB at #6 overall was a mistake.


That was 3 years ago now. This team has more top 10 picks than it know what to do with. And by the looks of thing will have many more. And you don't know if Jones is really mediocre
The hell I don't  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 11:02 am : link
I saw many of his Duke games as well, and he was mediocre then too. That's why I absolutely didn't want the Giants to draft him.

The guy simply isn't that good. No, he's not the worst, and yes he'll make some nice throws, but by NFL standards he's not elite in any way....other than running fast in a straight line.
IMO Jones will go on to have a good career  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 11:08 am : link
but I have a gut feeling it will be with another organization, a la Tannehill. Giants will have the high picks so will get a QB, and Jones will eventually be traded to a team like the Steelers.

*This is predicated on the Giants cleaning house.
RE: RE: I've decided to be a fair weather Bill's fan.  
penkap75 : 10/18/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15419291 Debaser said:
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They are a NY team after all.

I didn't like them in the late 80's/early 90s since they were our SB rivals. But they are easy to cheer for now.

Will always be a NYG fan, but I need some football happiness in my life.



Nothing wrong with that I was cheeringlike heck for them to beat the Ravens in the playoffs. I have a grudge against them they beat us and the bills didn't plus the Vincent gallo move buffalo 66 and the fact they are the only team that really does play in ny. I am cool with it. I will probably be cheeing for them again


Loved Buffalo 66
The Bils are Canadar's team  
Optimus-NY : 10/18/2021 11:31 am : link
Mongos.
Definitely a fun team to watch  
santacruzom : 10/18/2021 11:33 am : link
And it seems like they're figuring out how to use Isaiah Simmons as well.
 
christian : 10/18/2021 11:50 am : link
You don’t even need to go back to 2018, go back to 2019.

The Cardinals only have 6 or 7 players on their roster from the day Kingsbury started. They’ve done a fantastic job of roster construction.

And of course if Murray is injured or out they fair worse. He’s their best player. It would be awesome if the Giants QB was their best player.

The only relevant factor is if the team is in a position to compete for a championship this year. Who cares what happened in the past.
Hard not to like  
BigBluesman : 10/18/2021 3:37 pm : link
the Rams for me.
RE: 2018  
Thegratefulhead : 10/18/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15419033 Greg from LI said:
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Cards were 3-13, Giants were 5-11. Three years later, the Cards have completely turned over their roster and are 6-0. The Giants, meanwhile, are probably worse than ever.
They drafted the wrong QB and bailed immediately.

Boldness rewarded.
How dare you try to find a sliver of something redeeming  
adamg : 10/18/2021 3:51 pm : link
In this football season, Jints. For shame!
The NFCW is a lot of fun.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2021 3:52 pm : link
It sucks Wilson got hurt.
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