15 touchdowns passing
14 INTs
225 yards per game passing
To put that in perspective. Stafford, Brady, Mahomes, and Prescott have thrown for more TDs this year than Jones has in the last 2 years.
Now there have been some circumstances that have prevented some better numbers, but for those of you are blaming the OL, the talent, the injuries, the coaching, etc... it is looking more and more that Jones needs the talent to elevate his game, when most QBs in this league are elevating the play of their teammates.
Its time to move on. And to be honest, Glennon may deserve a chance. He just throws a much better ball.
Glennon is a scrub, Jones is twice the QB Glennon is.
If there is not a QB there this year you can't force it. But that does not mean you pick up the option on Jones either. You can't commit top QB money to him. Draft talent first and then plug in a journeyman to keep the seat warm while you look for a QB you think is your franchise guy.
At the moment, no matter what else, DJ is the QB for this season.
The question becomes where do we go from here long term. I personally say anyone wanted in a trade is fair game. Dexter lawrence, Leonard Williams, Peppers, Engram, Barkley all available if someone wants them.
TB needs secondary folks badly we may want to see what we can get from them for Peppers- Ryan- Love-Jackson .... SB contenders do what they must to stay contenders.
He's far down the list of this organization's problems.
and Jones isnt a ham and egger?
Glennon is a scrub, Jones is twice the QB Glennon is.
Barkley isnt that good either. You cant rely on people who are consistently hurt.
If there is not a QB there this year you can't force it. But that does not mean you pick up the option on Jones either. You can't commit top QB money to him. Draft talent first and then plug in a journeyman to keep the seat warm while you look for a QB you think is your franchise guy.
There's a lot of QBs who will take a 1 year prove it deal. Might as well take a chance on them. Trubisky or Brisset are the first to come to mind.
One of the problems is the QB. He's not very good.
Isn't he our Director of Player Personnel?
He's far down the list of this organization's problems.
Not sure he’s the solution either. Look at the facts. His record at Duke and his record with the Giants. The numbers just don’t add up over a significant amount of time. You have it or you don’t have it. Put aside that he’s a stand up guy.
Hill had 1,200 yards and 7 TD's with Alex Smith, that's not CJ Board.
The whole concept of “this isn’t the year” seems flawed to me. It may not be, but it also may be. When the Ravens took Lamar Jackson, was he considered a top prospect at QB. In the Jones year (2018), half the people thought Murray was playing baseball, and the other half thought he was too small to be a good QB anyway. Josh Allen was the 3rd QB taken in 2017. Same with Mahomes who wasn’t looked at as a top QB prospect until the draft approached.
The issue with Jones is that I don’t think he is actually great at anything. He seems to be a hard worker and a good student of the game. He can run fast, but isn’t mobile int he pocket. He seems like a QB that one day becomes a solid backup. Great in the QB room, great teammate, may be able to win you a game if needed. I just don’t see someone with the talent to continually elevate the franchise.
Does that mean we must draft a QB high this year…of course not. If whoever is in charge of the scouting at that time doesn’t see a franchise QB, then by all means draft another position. However, if there is a QB that the team (hopefully a new regime) deems worthy, then you must take the QB. As fans, we have been wrong more than we have been right when it comes to scouting QBs ourselves. We aren’t experts. The problem is the Giants haven’t been any better.
Did you not watch him throw the ball directly to defenders twice yesterday?
This is 20 games worth. Not 1.
What you are saying is surround Jones with great talent, and he will thrive. Well cant you say that with any QB. Its obvious that Jones needs everything perfect in order to perform at a level that 12-15 QBs perform nearly every week.
If thats the case - why should he be the starter?
yes only Daniel Jones deals with injuries to his supporting cast, nobody else has to deal with injuries in the NFL.
But it will be moot if the new GM comes from outside the organization. A new GM will likely want his own QB.
The Giants have been bad for a long time. Every coach and player is effectively auditioning for his job.
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and Slayton and Thomas would have helped yesterday.
yes only Daniel Jones deals with injuries to his supporting cast, nobody else has to deal with injuries in the NFL.
Did I mention Gates?
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But I still think he is an adequate NFL QB, at least he could be if he didn't have a dumpster fire around him.
He's far down the list of this organization's problems.
Not sure he’s the solution either. Look at the facts. His record at Duke and his record with the Giants. The numbers just don’t add up over a significant amount of time. You have it or you don’t have it. Put aside that he’s a stand up guy.
I understand and it wouldn't be the end of the world to move on from him, except that finding and developing someone as good or better is not a given either.
The real decision is what kind of contract do you offer him to keep him. If you give him middling money for middling QB play, that's one way to solve the problem, move on and address other issues.
Here's the thing, NFL DC's had a year of tape on Jones heading into year 2. They adjusted, he hasn't been able to counter-adjust. We've had any number of QB's who flashed as rookies but washed out. This is his 4th year, at some point, he's going to have to perform. 19 of his last 21 games have been average to subpar. That is simply unacceptable.
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and Slayton and Thomas would have helped yesterday.
yes only Daniel Jones deals with injuries to his supporting cast, nobody else has to deal with injuries in the NFL.
Not the whole team no.. a player here or there, not his whole WR core and his whole OL.. but pls go on.. btw Baker Mayfield -discuss -now this guy has no excuses.
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is the damn problem. Numbers are much better with Shumur's offense. You just can't erase that off the record. At least acknowledge it.
Here's the thing, NFL DC's had a year of tape on Jones heading into year 2. They adjusted, he hasn't been able to counter-adjust. We've had any number of QB's who flashed as rookies but washed out. This is his 4th year, at some point, he's going to have to perform. 19 of his last 21 games have been average to subpar. That is simply unacceptable.
Uhh yeah adjusted, lets rush 3 or 4 and have everyone else out covering bc Giants cant block or run the ball and have wrs that scare anybody.. heck of an adjustment by DCs
this. The roster is so bad that you really cant even properly evaluate the QB or HC. Gettleman has to go.
With a line bookended by Nate Solder and a 2nd year tackle in Peart. Oh, and a couple of interior lineman picked up off the scrap heap.
For fuck's sake.
With a line bookended by Nate Solder and a 2nd year tackle in Peart. Oh, and a couple of interior lineman picked up off the scrap heap.
For fuck's sake.
Well we know Jones isnt. Again, 20 games, not 1.
I'm not really sure Daniel Jones gives us anything more than Teddy Bridgwater.
With a line bookended by Nate Solder and a 2nd year tackle in Peart. Oh, and a couple of interior lineman picked up off the scrap heap.
For fuck's sake.
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Devontae Booker (a 3rd down back) as RB1, Pettis, some guy named Collin Johnson, Evan Engram (enough said), the corpse of Kyle Rudolph, and Sterling Shepard.
With a line bookended by Nate Solder and a 2nd year tackle in Peart. Oh, and a couple of interior lineman picked up off the scrap heap.
For fuck's sake.
Well we know Jones isnt. Again, 20 games, not 1.
Find any 3 games where he had any type of protection and weapons in 20 games.. Ill wait. I can think of 2 we won both
The guy who is responsible for finding the players.
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Fix the OL. Start from there.
The whole concept of “this isn’t the year” seems flawed to me. It may not be, but it also may be. When the Ravens took Lamar Jackson, was he considered a top prospect at QB. In the Jones year (2018), half the people thought Murray was playing baseball, and the other half thought he was too small to be a good QB anyway. Josh Allen was the 3rd QB taken in 2017. Same with Mahomes who wasn’t looked at as a top QB prospect until the draft approached.
The issue with Jones is that I don’t think he is actually great at anything. He seems to be a hard worker and a good student of the game. He can run fast, but isn’t mobile int he pocket. He seems like a QB that one day becomes a solid backup. Great in the QB room, great teammate, may be able to win you a game if needed. I just don’t see someone with the talent to continually elevate the franchise.
Does that mean we must draft a QB high this year…of course not. If whoever is in charge of the scouting at that time doesn’t see a franchise QB, then by all means draft another position. However, if there is a QB that the team (hopefully a new regime) deems worthy, then you must take the QB. As fans, we have been wrong more than we have been right when it comes to scouting QBs ourselves. We aren’t experts. The problem is the Giants haven’t been any better.
Nobody's having a standout season in college this year. If you look at Lamar Jackson's college resume, he should have been valued higher. It's only for the "he should play WR" garbage that he dropped.
Josh Allen wasn't a big prospect, true. Murray was. It was only a question if he was going to play MLB or NFL.
I can't speak for the Wyomings of college, maybe there's a guy out there, but there's no name prospects out there this year except Matt Corral at Miss and Wills from Liberty. There's no obvious guy at this point in time of the college season people should know who's coming with a resume of accomplishments and a ticket to the top of the draft a la a Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence. A QB will appear eventually, but it won't be the kind of prospect anyone on the outside is strongly confident about.
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Devontae Booker (a 3rd down back) as RB1, Pettis, some guy named Collin Johnson, Evan Engram (enough said), the corpse of Kyle Rudolph, and Sterling Shepard.
With a line bookended by Nate Solder and a 2nd year tackle in Peart. Oh, and a couple of interior lineman picked up off the scrap heap.
For fuck's sake.
Well we know Jones isnt. Again, 20 games, not 1.
Find any 3 games where he had any type of protection and weapons in 20 games.. Ill wait. I can think of 2 we won both
He was pretty well protected all year until this week. Getting sacked 1-2 games isnt that bad.
DJ is the very least of our issues...
It's even fine letting Jones play next season, if the next regime doesn't see a QB in the draft they want (or even if they do and let that QB sit a while under Jones). But they can NOT pick up his 5th year option if he doesn't start producing. They also need to bring in a serious back up, who is able to realy compete with Jones. A Teddy Bridgewater/Tyrod Taylor type.
By the way: I find it really interesting that the nearly unanimous mantra this off season on this site was: no more excuses for Jones, 2021 is the prove it year. Now that we are 6 games in and the production just isn't there, all we hear are excuses.
It just doesn't fly with me that a top-10 franchise QB can play 20 straight games with such little production. Sure the bad team around him would be responsible for a couple of duds and bad games, but Jones just does not produce enough offense and he doesn't produce enough wins. He hasn't since his Duke days.
I understand that we all want him to be a top QB soooo bad, but there comes a time we have to face the fact that we are dealing with a Trubisky/Bortles situation here. The last thing we want is to give a guy like that 25 million a year, because we are just so afraid to admit we missed on our 1st round QB.
Lets see how many fire DG and fire Judge threads we can get before the end of the day
Uhh yeah adjusted, lets rush 3 or 4 and have everyone else out covering bc Giants cant block or run the ball and have wrs that scare anybody.. heck of an adjustment by DCs
No, you show him one thing pre-snap, and do something else. He has struggled with post-snap recognition from day one. That's OK, all young QB's struggle with it, he just hasn't gotten much better at it.
DJ is the very least of our issues...
Its not like the times he had Barkley, we were lighting it up.. See Pitt game from last year, Falcons game from this year? Denver game this year? Last year Dak was missing all his pro-bowl OL, yet he was putting up godly numbers.. I don't see a valid reason why a franchise QB can't put up better numbers than what we have seen.. plus add to it the number of fumbles..15 fumbles in less than season and a half..