Football teams behave like regular corporations sometimes. The Giants as a company invested significant capital in the current version of the team, bringing in Gettleman, Judge, Jones, Barkley and a bunch of new ideas to the scouting department. The proper thing to do after investing capital is letting things play out/evaluate. This was always an "evaluation year" for the Giants. A big reason they kept Garrett was to get continuity with Jones (and take that excuse off the table). All the moves they made were in order to get a reasonable base with which to evaluate Judge & Jones. "We gotta get him weapons" was the offseason mantra.
Unfortunately, the Football Gods didn't cooperate. I can't stand Jason Garrett and have soured on Joe Judge and Patrick Graham. If all 3 are fired, I won't lose any sleep. But the simple truth of the matter is: this team had no chance to compete this year due to the injury situation. It's similar to 2003. However: the 2003 injuries didn't save Fassel's job, even though Jim put a far better product on the field. Fassel was only a year removed from having one of the best offenses in franchise history.
This season was FUBAR'd injury-wise and seemingly never got off the ground. Barkley wrapped in bubble tape. Peart with a bad back and Lemieux drops right away. Then the #1 WR goes down. Toney AWOL. Robinson still hasn't done anything. Rudolph rehabbing. Engram in the last preseason game. Then core pieces start dropping: Andrew Thomas, Nick Gates and Blake Martinez. Shepard & Slayton. Golladay again. It's ridiculous. The entire fucking offense, including all the best players, are hurt and taking turns randomly missing games.
And to make matters worse: when the Giants looked remotely healthy on offense, they torched a good football team and Jones won Offensive POW. It's got all the makings of a write-off year. However - someone will get scapegoated for this (my guess is Gettleman & Garrett) and they'll continue to transition to O'Brien and some of the other "Judge guys" they brought in last spring. With the recent news from Ralph, I just don't see Mara wanting to completely change course again.
Do with that information what you will. It is what it is.
Their scouting department would run circles around ours.
Could they tear it all down? Sure. Should they? Well, it's obvious that what Gettleman does in free agency isn't exactly awe inspiring. Other than Martinez and one season of Bradberry, he's paid big money for a bunch of duds. His drafting hasn't exactly stocked the team either. So, he's gone.
Will everyone else get the axe? I don't know if Mara has the guts to do that.
Not with all the resources we've thrown at it. Nothing has worked. Guys are just not as good as we hoped.
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Their scouting department would run circles around ours.
And that's exactly what I want drilled into Mara's head
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
Look at what happened in the past 3 weeks. Slayton and Bredeson were injured, and the injuries required them to be out three weeks.
But Gettleman kept them on the active roster.
The smarter move. Put them on 3 week IR and poach players from other teams Practice Squads.
Lets face it. Our roster is weak and other teams 54th and 55th best players are better than some of our 50 to 53rd active roster players.
You are not going to be getting a future pro bowler, but there is no downside to bringing in another teams PS players for what is basically a 3 week tryout while guys like Slayton and Bredeson were not available anyway.
Last week the Broncos had injuries at other positions and did not protect practice squad player OT Quinn Bailey. He was coached by Sale at Arizona St in 2017. Why not bring him in for 3 weeks? Is he better than Solder and Peart? Well we have 4 OL coaches to decide that.
When the final cuts were made over Labor Day, the Chiefs cut LT Prince Tego Wanogho, who graded out very well during the preseason. He should have been claimed by the Giants to add a 9th OL to the active roster. Last week Wanogho was added to the Chiefs active roster. Another opportunity to poach a player missed.
This team is a mess.
This is just one small idea that a GM could be actively doing to try to improve the weak roster.
Its getting tiring seeing Daniel Jones getting crushed because of the this horrible O Line that Gettleman said he was satisfied with and would go into the draft and training camp with what he already had.
I think Gettleman will retire or become a senior advisor. I think Garrett will be fired.
The big questions will be:
1 - Do they promote Kyle O'Brien to GM or perform a more exhaustive search?
2 - Do they promote Kitchens to OC or do they perform more of a search like the did for Sale?
Obviously, in both cases a more exhaustive search would be better. However, both O'Brien and Kitchens are Judge guys, I'm sure he's going to push really hard to just promote them.
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
Ozzie Newsome has been in the NFL since 1978, and every single second of it has been spent with one organization. He's 65 and is an EVP in one of the NFL's most well-run franchises.
He'd have to be an idiot to leave to come try to fix this mess with the Mara family everywhere in the building. There's zero chance of this happening. None.
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
If I could pick one franchise to emulate it'd be Baltimore. Yes other teams have won more SB's in the past 10-15 years but that has a lot to do with generational QBs. Baltimore found a way to win one with a very average QB and have only had 2 losing seasons since 2006.
Year in year out they have strong rosters and play physical, hard nosed football like we keep getting promised.
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In comment 15419203 Biteymax22 said:
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
Ozzie Newsome has been in the NFL since 1978, and every single second of it has been spent with one organization. He's 65 and is an EVP in one of the NFL's most well-run franchises.
He'd have to be an idiot to leave to come try to fix this mess with the Mara family everywhere in the building. There's zero chance of this happening. None.
Money talks.
Do with that information what you will. It is what it is.
Exactly correct. Was watching Dallas play last night and every starter was playing. Must be nice.
He will tell us he is disappointed. He is fed up. He won't tolerate this anymore. Everyone's jobs on the line. Then he will mention all of the great young talent and the horrific injuries and that is why he doesn't want to make changes just yet. Expect three or four references to the Saints game.
Playing Jones
keeping Jones in the game in the 4th quarter
Playing Shepherd in the 4th quarter
Playing Toney on an injured ankle
Putting Peart at left tackle when he is starting to develop at RT
The giants will win no more than 3 games this year and Judge will be gone.
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In comment 15419203 Biteymax22 said:
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
If I could pick one franchise to emulate it'd be Baltimore. Yes other teams have won more SB's in the past 10-15 years but that has a lot to do with generational QBs. Baltimore found a way to win one with a very average QB and have only had 2 losing seasons since 2006.
Year in year out they have strong rosters and play physical, hard nosed football like we keep getting promised.
Agreed. But will the fanbase and owner allow our special teams based head coach the time to establish the system, staff and roster core that Harbaugh was afforded? The Ravens ranked 3rd in points allowed each of the first 4 seasons under Harbaugh with a young Flacco at the helm.
Think about that. A top 3 defense each of your first 4 years on the job. Despite losing some of the coaches, that defensive system is still in place. That’s the secret to replacing players through the draft.
That continuity and Ray Lewis’s leadership is the rock Ozzie built the Ravens on. Say what you will about Lewis, but that’s the truth.
I don’t know who decided to build the offense around Lamar, and I suspect it was their only option at the time, but that’s also turned out roses for them.
He'd have to be an idiot to leave to come try to fix this mess with the Mara family everywhere in the building. There's zero chance of this happening. None.
Money talks.
You're out of your mind if you think Ozzie Newsome is going to turn his back on the only franchise he's ever known, and come out of his semi-retirement executive advisory role with the Ravens for any amount of money the Giant offer him.
There's legitimately zero chance this happens. None.
The Giants should certainly try to emulate the Ravens blueprint, but with someone who figures to be a part of it for the long haul.
They won't though.
But, I think RV's article is interestingly timed and for a purpose.
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In comment 15419203 Biteymax22 said:
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With the stat that Baltimore leads the NFL with players on the IR and is 5-1.
Speaking of Baltimore. Mara should call Ozzie Newsome and give him full control of this franchise. If he is under contract to the Ravens still give them Chicago's first round pick this year.
If I could pick one franchise to emulate it'd be Baltimore. Yes other teams have won more SB's in the past 10-15 years but that has a lot to do with generational QBs. Baltimore found a way to win one with a very average QB and have only had 2 losing seasons since 2006.
Year in year out they have strong rosters and play physical, hard nosed football like we keep getting promised.
I agree. History would kinda repeat itself since GY came from the Dolphins and Baltimore Colts.
But, I think RV's article is interestingly timed and for a purpose.
Fascinating JonC, fascinating indeed...
Why not? If you come to a clear conclusion he’s not the guy why waste time?
Chiefs executive Ryan Poles had second interview for Panthers GM job - Charles Goldman January 13, 2021 10:23 am CT - ( New Window )
I'd be curious why he didn't get the Panthers job.
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The Giants are not just going to keep blowing up everything every 2 years to cater to the fans emotional reactions.
Why not? If you come to a clear conclusion he’s not the guy why waste time?
If they fired Judge they'd be paying 2 or 3 head coaches to sit at home and then have to pay a new head coach.
I believe they are still paying Shurmur. Not sure if they're still paying McAdoo.
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The Giants are not just going to keep blowing up everything every 2 years to cater to the fans emotional reactions.
Why not? If you come to a clear conclusion he’s not the guy why waste time?
If they fired Judge they'd be paying 2 or 3 head coaches to sit at home and then have to pay a new head coach.
I believe they are still paying Shurmur. Not sure if they're still paying McAdoo.
Retaining Judge solely based on the inept and poor half-assed bad decisions they made of past hires is just proof this franchise doesn’t give a shit about winning. When ownership truly gets sick of losing and wants to get rid of the losing mentality that permeates through this club they will pay whatever they need to to hire the right people to come in and clean this mess up. I am very doubtful that happens however.
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The Giants are not just going to keep blowing up everything every 2 years to cater to the fans emotional reactions.
Why not? If you come to a clear conclusion he’s not the guy why waste time?
clear conclusion? how would that be possible since we don't have a clue?
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The Giants are not just going to keep blowing up everything every 2 years to cater to the fans emotional reactions.
Why not? If you come to a clear conclusion he’s not the guy why waste time?
clear conclusion? how would that be possible since we don't have a clue?
Independent from the talent and injuries Judge hasn’t been good this year.