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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 11:02 am
There is also a rumor swirling Beane may also be shockingly blocked by Oakland but that's not confirmed.
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How often is it actually the team blocking the request  
Mike from Ohio : 10/18/2021 11:05 am : link
and how often is it the candidate not wanting the job and asking the team to block it so they don't have to look disrespectful or waste time on a long interview prep for a job they don't want.

It seems if you were a team legitimately holding people back from promotions, it would be difficult to bring in talent.
RE: How often is it actually the team blocking the request  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 11:07 am : link
In comment 15419358 Mike from Ohio said:
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and how often is it the candidate not wanting the job and asking the team to block it so they don't have to look disrespectful or waste time on a long interview prep for a job they don't want.

It seems if you were a team legitimately holding people back from promotions, it would be difficult to bring in talent.


Stearns was blocked last year as well. The belief is the Brewers are going to give him a huge extension and might even hold a 2023 option on him as well. There is no "promotion" Stearns could have had with the Mets. This was a linear move.
Keeping  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 11:20 am : link
Sandy and his son to land a top name... if that results in... Josh Byrnes or... Brandon Gomes... not exactly a HR for Cohen.


"Two Dodgers executives are on the Mets’ radar, senior VP Josh Byrnes and assistant GM Brandon Gomes. Byrnes’ level of interest in the job is not yet clear, but if the Mets asked for permission to speak with him, they will almost certainly receive it, sources say."
You are what your record says you are  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2021 11:36 am : link
Mets are 48 games under 500 during Sandy’s nine years as a GM or President .

His player acquisitions have been about average his GM and managerial hiring I’ve been terrible


Porter a sexual pervert
Zach Scott a drunk
Mickey Callaway sexual pervert completely in over his head
Terry Collins was actually his best hire. What does that say?

Cohen obviously needs Sandy’s guidance since he doesn’t know anything about the business of baseball but I’m not exactly hopeful that this hire will be a good one given Sandy’s woeful track record
Even if the Brewers  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2021 11:41 am : link
allowed Stearns to interview, unless it was a Godfather offer (which it very well could have been but who knows), he sounded like he was staying in Milwaukee.

did anyone see SNY advocating for trading Alvarez for this guy?  
KDavies : 10/18/2021 12:02 pm : link
WTF? that would be dreadful
RE: did anyone see SNY advocating for trading Alvarez for this guy?  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15419488 KDavies said:
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WTF? that would be dreadful


With the rejection to even speak to him this idea (pushed by multiple media members is in fact dead). Allow them to speak would proceed talking about compensation. By saying they can't speak, it means that idea is dead and buried.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 12:15 pm : link
assume they will ask for permission to speak to Byrnes for POBO. Gomes would likely be a guy they would ask to speak to as a potential GM, really hope that wouldn't meaning Sandy remaining in charge. They should make the call on Thad Levine, though he's resisted both the Mets/Phillies recently.
I saw a headline  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2021 12:33 pm : link
over the weekend that said Depo wouldn't leave the Browns for a MLB return and it was about the Mets.

I didn't read past the headline, but I wonder how/why he would want to stay with the Browns and to be honest it doesn't seem like he's been massively successful there.

He seemed like a guy I could have pictured as a future POBO.
RE: I saw a headline  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15419567 pjcas18 said:
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over the weekend that said Depo wouldn't leave the Browns for a MLB return and it was about the Mets.

I didn't read past the headline, but I wonder how/why he would want to stay with the Browns and to be honest it doesn't seem like he's been massively successful there.

He seemed like a guy I could have pictured as a future POBO.


He didn't really give much of an answer other than he wasn't interested but he recently signed a 5 year contract to remain with the Browns.
Names  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 12:41 pm : link
are just names but if this ends up being the hire after he was fired by Miami, then both the Mets and Phillies passed on him... not a great look for Cohen/Sandy, sorry.

Jack Ramsey
@jackwramsey
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Best fit i believe is Josh Byrnes. Most likely is Mike Hill. There’s reason for belief that all other execs could get blocked by their teams. Hill is the only one not working for a team rn.
RE: I saw a headline  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15419567 pjcas18 said:
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over the weekend that said Depo wouldn't leave the Browns for a MLB return and it was about the Mets.

I didn't read past the headline, but I wonder how/why he would want to stay with the Browns and to be honest it doesn't seem like he's been massively successful there.

He seemed like a guy I could have pictured as a future POBO.


I went back and read the piece. Sherman spoke to him and he said he wasn't interested in leaving the Browns. There wasn't else to it, or even a direct quote (I'm not doubting Sherman spoke to him) just nothing to expand on.
RE: RE: I saw a headline  
moze1021 : 10/18/2021 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15419609 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15419567 pjcas18 said:


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over the weekend that said Depo wouldn't leave the Browns for a MLB return and it was about the Mets.

I didn't read past the headline, but I wonder how/why he would want to stay with the Browns and to be honest it doesn't seem like he's been massively successful there.

He seemed like a guy I could have pictured as a future POBO.



I went back and read the piece. Sherman spoke to him and he said he wasn't interested in leaving the Browns. There wasn't else to it, or even a direct quote (I'm not doubting Sherman spoke to him) just nothing to expand on.


It's pretty simple I think...

He was a college football player and he likes that sport better... haha

I thin Cleveland might be "home" for him too, since he started his baseball career with the Indians.
I  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:06 pm : link
didn't realize Anthopoulos spent 2 years with the Dodgers FO prior to being hired by the Braves. That means Friedman left the Rays (which we know to be a pretty amazing franchise), "created" the Dodgers model, then Anthopoulos (who is on record acknowledging this) took his "education" in that system and implemented much of it in Atlanta. This is the opposite of the Belichick tree. Chaim Bloom also obviously from there as well. Teams were smart to target Neander when they did.

- As I noted above, I really think they should make a call on Thad Levine. Yes, he turned them down in 2018, and turned down the Phillies last year but they can offer him the POBO role, something he can't have with the Twins with Falvey there.
Fair to assume  
moespree : 10/18/2021 1:07 pm : link
The idea that Sandy is some massive respected baseball mind that people fall over themselves in desire to work with...is total nonsense.

They admire him as a man and person but I don't see the evidence that there's interest in being around Sandy the baseball mind.

I can't blame people for being worried about this job. You come to the job and immediately have Sandy and his son breathing over your shoulder.
RE: Fair to assume  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15419661 moespree said:
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The idea that Sandy is some massive respected baseball mind that people fall over themselves in desire to work with...is total nonsense.

They admire him as a man and person but I don't see the evidence that there's interest in being around Sandy the baseball mind.

I can't blame people for being worried about this job. You come to the job and immediately have Sandy and his son breathing over your shoulder.


There is now a suggestion from some that they only bring in a GM. Not really ideal when Sandy's son was just promoted to assistant GM and Sandy is still there. Hard to believe anybody who either isn't desperate to be GM or simply the paycheck is going to want to have to deal with such a setup.


Sandy president
GM+ Levin/Sandy's son as his assistants (both just promoted in July)

Seems far less than ideal.
We all knew this was coming,  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:15 pm : link
maybe MIL is playing this up to get the Mets to give up some young talent, but I'm not sure I'd do that. Find a GM, ride it out for another year, and see if Stearns or someone else shakes loose.
RE: We all knew this was coming,  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15419688 Section331 said:
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maybe MIL is playing this up to get the Mets to give up some young talent, but I'm not sure I'd do that. Find a GM, ride it out for another year, and see if Stearns or someone else shakes loose.


Expectation is the Brewers and Stearns have already discussed an extension and Martino reported he has a 2023 option. He’s out. Heyman also now confirming the Mets are “pessimistic” they get to speak to Beane and will have to expand their list.
RE: RE: We all knew this was coming,  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15419695 DanMetroMan said:
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Expectation is the Brewers and Stearns have already discussed an extension and Martino reported he has a 2023 option. He’s out. Heyman also now confirming the Mets are “pessimistic” they get to speak to Beane and will have to expand their list.


Thanks. It does look like the best plan may be to hire a GM and punt the POBO question to next year. Or maybe think outside the box and hire someone from outside MLB? Kind of like the Browns did with De Podesto.
RE: RE: RE: We all knew this was coming,  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15419721 Section331 said:
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In comment 15419695 DanMetroMan said:


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Expectation is the Brewers and Stearns have already discussed an extension and Martino reported he has a 2023 option. He’s out. Heyman also now confirming the Mets are “pessimistic” they get to speak to Beane and will have to expand their list.



Thanks. It does look like the best plan may be to hire a GM and punt the POBO question to next year. Or maybe think outside the box and hire someone from outside MLB? Kind of like the Browns did with De Podesto.


Will Carroll said he heard they discussed a name that “blew his mind”. He refused to divulge it but said it was somebody who didn’t have experience in such a role. As I noted above, one issue with hiring “only” a GM is the Mets just named Sandy’s son assistant GM. Not really ideal to have this new person having one Alderson above him and one as assistant GM (in addition to his other assistant GM (Ian Levin, also just promoted) picked for him. Sure, they could potentially fire one of them but they aren’t firing Sandy’s son..
Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:33 pm : link
“Head explode”
RE: RE: RE: RE: We all knew this was coming,  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15419734 DanMetroMan said:
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Will Carroll said he heard they discussed a name that “blew his mind”. He refused to divulge it but said it was somebody who didn’t have experience in such a role. As I noted above, one issue with hiring “only” a GM is the Mets just named Sandy’s son assistant GM. Not really ideal to have this new person having one Alderson above him and one as assistant GM (in addition to his other assistant GM (Ian Levin, also just promoted) picked for him. Sure, they could potentially fire one of them but they aren’t firing Sandy’s son..


Not a good sign that Cohen allowed Sandy to hire his son, especially without a GM already in place.
So what are the best/most exciting names  
Metnut : 10/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
that we have a realistic chance of landing since it looks like the big 3 are out of the picture?
RE: So what are the best/most exciting names  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15419776 Metnut said:
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that we have a realistic chance of landing since it looks like the big 3 are out of the picture?


Byrnes is being touted as the top name. Retread Michel Hill, I’d call about Thad Levine personally. I guess they can see if Chernoff had a change of heart.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We all knew this was coming,  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15419759 Section331 said:
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In comment 15419734 DanMetroMan said:


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Will Carroll said he heard they discussed a name that “blew his mind”. He refused to divulge it but said it was somebody who didn’t have experience in such a role. As I noted above, one issue with hiring “only” a GM is the Mets just named Sandy’s son assistant GM. Not really ideal to have this new person having one Alderson above him and one as assistant GM (in addition to his other assistant GM (Ian Levin, also just promoted) picked for him. Sure, they could potentially fire one of them but they aren’t firing Sandy’s son..



Not a good sign that Cohen allowed Sandy to hire his son, especially without a GM already in place.


Sandy’s son was already here. He was promoted in July which yeah, suggests he’s not going anywhere in November.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:02 pm : link
I wouldn't be against @mets keeping on Scott as part of the FO but there is no way he can be rewarded with being named the full-time GM (the caveat, I guess being that this was all a misunderstanding, he's completely innocent etc but even then... were you that impressed with the Mets moves that he deserves a promotion? As part of the FO, he'd likely be an asset.
Billy  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:04 pm : link
Beane has withdrawn his name from consideration for the Mets job.
Like  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:06 pm : link
it or not, Cohen/Sandy completely struck out for 2 off-seasons on their "top" targets. They may well end up with somebody very good or even great but that's just the facts. Sandy being some sort of enticement to top names has not been the case.
RE: Like  
Metnut : 10/18/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15419820 DanMetroMan said:
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it or not, Cohen/Sandy completely struck out for 2 off-seasons on their "top" targets. They may well end up with somebody very good or even great but that's just the facts. Sandy being some sort of enticement to top names has not been the case.


Sort of makes you wonder what the point is of having Alderson around?

You’d think Cohen, who was an avid baseball fan before this and made his living on acquiring and trading on information, would have a better idea of who to go after around the league.
Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:14 pm : link
agrees with me.

Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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I'm curious how the Mets are going to try to spin this when Epstein and Beane straight up said no. They pulled the "teams wouldn't let us interview candidates" card last year which I think in at least some cases was a formal nicety, but that's not available this time
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15419833 Metnut said:
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In comment 15419820 DanMetroMan said:


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it or not, Cohen/Sandy completely struck out for 2 off-seasons on their "top" targets. They may well end up with somebody very good or even great but that's just the facts. Sandy being some sort of enticement to top names has not been the case.



Sort of makes you wonder what the point is of having Alderson around?

You’d think Cohen, who was an avid baseball fan before this and made his living on acquiring and trading on information, would have a better idea of who to go after around the league.


Cohen wanted to hire La Russa/Arn Tellem to run the Dodgers when he thought he was going to be the high bidder for him, so it's unclear exactly what his baseball acumen is. Not suggesting, I know what kind of job they would do but that would have been a weird way to go.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:24 pm : link
For whatever the reason it didn't happen last off-season when it was heavily rumored but I keep coming back to Bobby Heckas a guy @mets need to heavily, heavily consider hiring. I think he'd be a fantastic hire. Here is he is talking to Keith Law-
Link - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:35 pm : link
Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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There wasn’t an executive in the game who ever believed Billy Beane would leave his $8 million-a-year job with the #Athletics to go to the #Mets. Beane was never, ever leaving. And now the #Mets officially know it too.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:37 pm : link
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
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I don't think if the Mets get, say, Matt Arnold or Brandon Gomes as president of baseball ops or chief baseball officer and an AGM you've never heard of as GM that it's necessarily a bad thing, but the process to get there has been a debacle, and selling this more broadly is uhhh
Weird-  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:50 pm : link
minutes after I suggested Heck....


Will Carroll
@injuryexpert
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And yes, Bobby Heck was the name that blew my mind. Super capable, great baseball guy, awesome scout, and has been with winning orgs. I was surprised he'd be mentioned for PBO role when hasn't been GM. Not that I don't think he'd be good for it, just surprised.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:51 pm : link
Will Carroll
@injuryexpert
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The Mets have been calling around, basically putting together a longer list past their "top 3" and seeing who's available/interested. I've heard several names, can confirm Doug Melvin (finalist last time), Bobby Heck (TB), and Dorian Boyland on the list.
Doug Melvin  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:53 pm : link
is 69 years old and hasn't had an official title since 2015. That would be... something. This isn't hiring some all-timer like La Russa or Dusty... yikes.
Boyland  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 2:57 pm : link
looks like an absurd candidate. I've been searching for 5 minutes to find something that would support his candidacy and he's a 67 year old former big leaguer who made a lot of money selling cars and is charitable...
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TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2021 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15419875 DanMetroMan said:
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Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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There wasn’t an executive in the game who ever believed Billy Beane would leave his $8 million-a-year job with the #Athletics to go to the #Mets. Beane was never, ever leaving. And now the #Mets officially know it too.


So does this Beane came very close to jumping to the Mets...Always assume the opposite with Nightengale reports.

Joking aside, Cohen missing out on his top targets ( and seeming not even getting close) is really disappointing. Is it him that is turning people off? Curious to hear why this job isn't more attractive.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 3:13 pm : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Can confirm the @injuryexpert
report that the Mets have discussed hiring Doug Melvin.

He was a finalist for GM before they hired Brodie Van Wagenen.
Saw someone else mention Boyland too  
moespree : 10/18/2021 3:14 pm : link
What the hell?

A 67 year old has been uninvolved in baseball for years and is a car salesmen the last 34 years with dealerships in 5 states.

WTF? I'm at a loss of what to even say about that.
The Mets never should have went public  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2021 3:14 pm : link
with these three candidates. Two were/are basically in lateral roles. Beane is already a minority owner in OAK.

Theo was a pipe dream and had specific requirements Cohen knew about and wasn't likely to offer Theo.

Naming those three guys would be like if the Giants fired Gettleman and said our three candidates are Eric Da Costa, Steve Keim, and Brandon Beane (all three of whom are in similar roles with contenders). or even Belichick.

It just makes the Mets look dysfunctional/bad but reality is none were a good match and for none would it even be a promotion (Theo was POBO with the Cubs).



I  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 3:22 pm : link
like Will Carroll but this is ridiculous (to me) when I questioned Boyland


"Will Carroll
@injuryexpert
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Replying to
@WexlerRules
If I drop you in that job, could you do it? You follow the Mets, you speak in complete sentences. Is it that hard of a job to do?"
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 3:24 pm : link
Tim Finnegan
@timfinn521
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Baseball is going in a very specific direction among winning teams, pitch design, prioritize vertical movement over horizontal to pitch around bat path, hit the ball in the air. The Mets’ hire doesn’t have to be a “name”, but it needs to be cutting edge. Adapt or get left behind
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 3:53 pm : link
Shi Davidi
@ShiDavidi
Mark Shapiro says very little of Blue Jays' off-season planning is being impacted by CBA uncertainty, and intriguingly adds, "I'm feeling pretty good about the commissioner being so confident that a deal will get done by Dec. 1."
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Ira : 10/18/2021 4:04 pm : link
New York Mets
SNY
@SNYtv
Billy Beane has withdrawn his name from consideration for a position in the Mets' front office https://on.sny.tv/ITjWoCT
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 4:37 pm : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
Quick Mets front office notes:

-Epstein, Beane, & Stearns not coming
-Mets really like Gomes though Dodgers might promote to GM
-Mets aren’t optimistic about Josh Byrnes
-Doug Melvin back in the mix
-Mets haven’t asked to interview Bobby Heck yet, but could circle back
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 4:48 pm : link
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
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The top of the Mets' president of baseball operations wish list has been lopped off, with David Stearns, Billy Beane and (previously) Theo Epstein now all reportedly out of the mix. Echoes of last year, when the Mets struggled to secure interviews with experienced candidates.
Per  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2021 5:04 pm : link
Sherman, Beane told Sandy he wasn't interested in speaking to the Mets about the job and told him not to ask for formal permission.
RE: Per  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15420165 DanMetroMan said:
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Sherman, Beane told Sandy he wasn't interested in speaking to the Mets about the job and told him not to ask for formal permission.


Not a good look for Cohen. Last year repeated... Surprising he couldn't even get a meeting with Beane.
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