Jarrett Seidler
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No. 1 in the Mets org on the baseball ops side clearly doesn’t mean actually final decision maker. Sandy Alderson has been the final baseball arbiter running the show since he came back. The owner has no patience and talks too much. And you’re not hiring your own staff below
be noted the role Scott was hired for, is now filled by Sandy's son and Ian Levin. So it's questionable how much "hiring" a new guy will even have. Will they have 3 assistant GM's? Why? If not, he's inheriting his FO? Even Brodie was allowed to bring on his own assistant GM (Adam Guttridge), as was Porter (Scott). The Mets have their assistant Gm's in place AND Sandy.
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
be noted the role Scott was hired for, is now filled by Sandy's son and Ian Levin. So it's questionable how much "hiring" a new guy will even have. Will they have 3 assistant GM's? Why? If not, he's inheriting his FO? Even Brodie was allowed to bring on his own assistant GM (Adam Guttridge), as was Porter (Scott). The Mets have their assistant Gm's in place AND Sandy.
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
Fewest of any team? Why wouldn't the new head of the organization be allowed to bring in his own guys and/or decide who receives promotions? Promoting them to assistant GM in JULY when you KNEW you were bringing in somebody else to run the show isn't strange to you? They also have John Ricco/Marc Tramuta/Tanous. The rush to promote was in a word "strange".
Yes Dan I think the mets search would be worse off without Sandy
I don't care about what the new hire says about Sandy/Cohen.
I care about who the new hire is, their background, and what their vision for the team is.
If they hire a seemingly mediocre retread or someone that isn't viewed a quality young FO prospect I will be leading the charge on the failure of this search.
I'm not going to get spun up by clickbait foretelling doom until it happens though.
So you disagree with me that you suggested for months Sandy would be a major asset in reeling in a "big name" major hire because of his gravitas and now it's clear there may be some concerns with the FO having 2 Alderson's in major roles, and that the tier of guy they land likely didn't need Sandy Alderson here to come here? Deep down, you think the Mets would have been worse off if Sandy announced on the final day of the season he was retiring?
I asked you yesterday who the best alternatives were and the best you could come up with were Omar, Ricco, or just hiring a consulting firm like KF.
I feel infinitely more confident that Sandy will find someone better than those alternatives.
I never said Sandy would guarantee success or be the reason someone takes this job. He checks a box the others don't. He doesn't check every box.
I'm as disappointed they didn't get 1 of the big 3 as anyone else but I'm glad they tried.
Not sure what else I can say except let's see who they hire. You are entitled to feel however you would like but I think there's a much better chance you will like who they hire than you do.
be noted the role Scott was hired for, is now filled by Sandy's son and Ian Levin. So it's questionable how much "hiring" a new guy will even have. Will they have 3 assistant GM's? Why? If not, he's inheriting his FO? Even Brodie was allowed to bring on his own assistant GM (Adam Guttridge), as was Porter (Scott). The Mets have their assistant Gm's in place AND Sandy.
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
The Dodgers FO has 2 assistant GM's, ZERO G's one head of baseball operations, and one VP of baseball operations.
Byrnes is essentially the GM, but with the title of VP of baseball operations.
Friedman runs the team, Byrnes is the "GM", and he has 2 below him (Gomes/Finley) not really sure where you're getting this idea they have a million assistant GM's etc. They gave multiple people "VP" titles but it's things like international scouting or amateur scouting
Dan if you want to go doom and gloom before they even make a hire
I don't care about what the new hire says about Sandy/Cohen.
I care about who the new hire is, their background, and what their vision for the team is.
If they hire a seemingly mediocre retread or someone that isn't viewed a quality young FO prospect I will be leading the charge on the failure of this search.
I'm not going to get spun up by clickbait foretelling doom until it happens though.
So you disagree with me that you suggested for months Sandy would be a major asset in reeling in a "big name" major hire because of his gravitas and now it's clear there may be some concerns with the FO having 2 Alderson's in major roles, and that the tier of guy they land likely didn't need Sandy Alderson here to come here? Deep down, you think the Mets would have been worse off if Sandy announced on the final day of the season he was retiring?
I asked you yesterday who the best alternatives were and the best you could come up with were Omar, Ricco, or just hiring a consulting firm like KF.
I feel infinitely more confident that Sandy will find someone better than those alternatives.
I never said Sandy would guarantee success or be the reason someone takes this job. He checks a box the others don't. He doesn't check every box.
I'm as disappointed they didn't get 1 of the big 3 as anyone else but I'm glad they tried.
Not sure what else I can say except let's see who they hire. You are entitled to feel however you would like but I think there's a much better chance you will like who they hire than you do.
Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
RE: Dan if you want to go doom and gloom before they even make a hire
that's your right. I'm not sure why you don't think it's fair to wait to see who they hire. but I suppose that's also your right.
Eric all due respect but you went on and on about how Sandy was a major feather in the cap in landing some big name. You went as far as to admit it would be a very disappointing outcome if Sandy were unable to "sell Cohen" on one of these big names. You also cited the Dodgers FO for some reason? Outside of Byrnes being named a VP vs. a traditional GM, they have a very "normal" setup over there. They just give out VP titles to positions the Mets do not or have not.
For example, Tanous holds 2 titles in his VP role (International AND Amateur scouting), the Dodgers have that role split into 2 people, Tony DeFrancesco is a "senior advisor" with player development/scouting whereas the Dodgers have 2 VP's, one in player development and one in scouting. Their hierarchy has more bodies but no more bodies "at the top" ie GM, assistant GM etc than a regular team/ The Mets.
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By Michael Mayer
Updated: October 20, 2021
Mets Prospects Impressing in Arizona Fall League
The Salt River Rafters dropped just their second game of the Arizona Fall League season on Tuesday, 4-2, to the Peoria Javelinas. It was the first with of the season for the 1-5 Javelinas.
The River Rafters took an early lead thanks to an RBI single from Mets prospect Wilmer Reyes in the second inning. Peoria took a 3-1 lead into the seventh inning when Mets prospect Carlos Cortes hit a sac fly to inch the River Rafters closer.
LF Carlos Cortes 1-for-2, BB, RBI
SS Wilmer Reyes 1-for-3, RBI, BB
Cortes has been one of the best hitters on the River Rafters with a .385 average and 1.009 OPS. He was our No. 10 Mets prospect in our most recent rankings updates.
The 23-year-old Reyes has impressed early as well, he’s hitting .308 with a .855 OPS so far.
Mets third base prospect Brett Baty got his first day off during AFL action. He’s been the catalyst thus far for the River Rafters with a .444 average and team best 1.287 OPS....
is going to be very good. Very curious to see what they do about 3b to open the year. You don't want to count on him but you also don't want to block him for multiple years unless it's a "given".
Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
why does the richest owner in baseball with the resources to do anything he wants and one of the most successful executives on wall street trust Sandy Alderson more than Omar Minaya, whom he is friends with, or top tier business consultancies he's likely worked with numerous times?
I would posit the answer lies somewhere in Sandy's HOF resume and generally universal respect around the game.
The counter argument seems to be that he's a puppet master manipulating this search to his families benefit based on unnamed and unattributed rumors and the fact that his son has worked for the team for 10 years and was recently promoted.
Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
why does the richest owner in baseball with the resources to do anything he wants and one of the most successful executives on wall street trust Sandy Alderson more than Omar Minaya, whom he is friends with, or top tier business consultancies he's likely worked with numerous times?
I would posit the answer lies somewhere in Sandy's HOF resume and generally universal respect around the game.
The counter argument seems to be that he's a puppet master manipulating this search to his families benefit based on unnamed and unattributed rumors and the fact that his son has worked for the team for 10 years and was recently promoted.
You have flat out stated that Cohen is a new owner and needs help making these kinds of decisions (multiple times), Cohen wanted Arn Tellem as his GM (Brodie much?) and now you are suggesting Cohen's opinion of Sandy means something? How can it be both ways?
that's your right. I'm not sure why you don't think it's fair to wait to see who they hire. but I suppose that's also your right.
Eric all due respect but you went on and on about how Sandy was a major feather in the cap in landing some big name. You went as far as to admit it would be a very disappointing outcome if Sandy were unable to "sell Cohen" on one of these big names. You also cited the Dodgers FO for some reason? Outside of Byrnes being named a VP vs. a traditional GM, they have a very "normal" setup over there. They just give out VP titles to positions the Mets do not or have not.
For example, Tanous holds 2 titles in his VP role (International AND Amateur scouting), the Dodgers have that role split into 2 people, Tony DeFrancesco is a "senior advisor" with player development/scouting whereas the Dodgers have 2 VP's, one in player development and one in scouting. Their hierarchy has more bodies but no more bodies "at the top" ie GM, assistant GM etc than a regular team/ The Mets.
Your position seems to be that the search is a disaster because the met front office is being run by nepotism and Sandy's ego under Cohen's watch?
didn't answer above, you are happy Sandy has returned for the 2022 season correct?
Yes. Not sure how many times I can say that, by your own account like 10 minutes ago I have been "going on and on about it".
We have seen him make seemingly good hires in the past and I don't think Cohen is a moron who is getting bamboozled.
Again, you flat out said Cohen couldn't do this without Sandy's help, but wouldn't that imply (in terms of baseball) Cohen doesn't really know what he's doing aka reliant on somebody else? I wouldn't use "moron" because he's a obviously a great businessman, but judge of baseball talent/executives? He very well may prove to be a moron. How would we know? Because he's very rich?
Matt Allan, who underwent Tommy John surgery during the season, is doing well, Barnes said. Barnes didn’t have an exact date for Allan’s return because that is too far off and the rehab is individualized, but the Mets expect him to return at some point next season. Allan is on track and has not experienced any setbacks.
Thomas Szapucki, who underwent ulnar transposition surgery over the summer (per MLB.com), is continuing to build up and will be back. The organization plans to have Szapucki, who debuted in the bigs in 2021, back on the mound in 2022.
(I've heard off the record Late July/August for Allan)
Michael Baron
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#Mets prospect Brett Baty is the @MLBazFallLeague
hitter of the week. He leads the league in average (.500) and OPS (1.417).
believed the Mets would be interested in speaking to Matt Arnold, but as Brewers GM he'd have to be given the POBO title and he's only been Brewers GM for 1 season, so that would be giving the reigns to a guy who hasn't "done it" for long and worked under Stearns, which is obviously great for learning but a risk in terms of experience being a lead guy.
didn't answer above, you are happy Sandy has returned for the 2022 season correct?
Yes. Not sure how many times I can say that, by your own account like 10 minutes ago I have been "going on and on about it".
We have seen him make seemingly good hires in the past and I don't think Cohen is a moron who is getting bamboozled.
Again, you flat out said Cohen couldn't do this without Sandy's help, but wouldn't that imply (in terms of baseball) Cohen doesn't really know what he's doing aka reliant on somebody else? I wouldn't use "moron" because he's a obviously a great businessman, but judge of baseball talent/executives? He very well may prove to be a moron. How would we know? Because he's very rich?
I didn't say Cohen couldn't do it without Sandy's help - I have the exact same questions as yours that i've bolded above. He is not experienced in hiring baseball executives and would do well to have someone help him.
where we disagree is:
I think Cohen is making a good choice to have Sandy in that role.
you think Cohen is wrong because Sandy is trying to retain control, biased towards his son, etc.
both of us are just guessing until we see who they hire and we've exhausted our reasons so maybe we just wait to see who they hire and judge that hire as best we can?
fortunately for us and Baty Seidler's actual job is prospects
believe you're completely overstating the value of Sandy Alderson to this search, and quite frankly (and things may in fact change) even the suggested names are guys we have heard talked up for years (I admit I didn't know much about Gomes) but Matt Arnold was up for GM jobs for a few years now, Josh Byrnes for the better part of a decade, Scott Harris was director of baseball operations for the WS winning Cubs, which is why he's now the GM of the Giants, these aren't exactly deep dive "Sandy could help direct the search" names to anybody who follows baseball closely.
RE: fortunately for us and Baty Seidler's actual job is prospects
Seidler is sky high on Baty, has him top 25-30 in the sport.
and not the area where he usually beclowns himself.
didn't you say Seidler blocked you on twitter a few months ago over something insane?
He blocked me for saying something he interpreted as pro-Bauer (this was before the rape stuff) but unbeknownst to me his then fiance/now wife was one of Bauer's high profile "social media" targets. So I did understand his sensitivity once I spoke to him.
believe you're completely overstating the value of Sandy Alderson to this search, and quite frankly (and things may in fact change) even the suggested names are guys we have heard talked up for years (I admit I didn't know much about Gomes) but Matt Arnold was up for GM jobs for a few years now, Josh Byrnes for the better part of a decade, Scott Harris was director of baseball operations for the WS winning Cubs, which is why he's now the GM of the Giants, these aren't exactly deep dive "Sandy could help direct the search" names to anybody who follows baseball closely.
Right but didn't you say some of those guys bowed out of previous searches because of how they viewed the structures they were walking into as problematic?
I believe Porter had a similar history before taking the met job last year, right?
Let's see who they get. The result is all that matters. I've said this numerous times but for me the baseline is Porter. If they can't get someone they view as better than Porter this time around I'd literally just bring him back if I were the owner.
Anyone less appealing than Porter is a failure IMO.
believe you're completely overstating the value of Sandy Alderson to this search, and quite frankly (and things may in fact change) even the suggested names are guys we have heard talked up for years (I admit I didn't know much about Gomes) but Matt Arnold was up for GM jobs for a few years now, Josh Byrnes for the better part of a decade, Scott Harris was director of baseball operations for the WS winning Cubs, which is why he's now the GM of the Giants, these aren't exactly deep dive "Sandy could help direct the search" names to anybody who follows baseball closely.
Right but didn't you say some of those guys bowed out of previous searches because of how they viewed the structures they were walking into as problematic?
I believe Porter had a similar history before taking the met job last year, right?
Let's see who they get. The result is all that matters. I've said this numerous times but for me the baseline is Porter. If they can't get someone they view as better than Porter this time around I'd literally just bring him back if I were the owner.
Anyone less appealing than Porter is a failure IMO.
It's believed Byrnes strongly prefers the West Coast and/or needs the absolute perfect situation to leave LAD. I'm guessing/assuming he realizes his stock will never be higher and taking the wrong job now likely = his last shot doing so in such a major role. Matt Arnold was "blocked" by the Brewers from leaving as they promoted him to GM (which is what's rumored to happen with Gomes and LAD). Scott Harris, who knows? But he's from SF and has only been GM for a brief period, would be a "risky" run the entire show hire (like Arnold), I'm not suggesting "risk" means bad.
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
We really don’t know who is leading the search. Knowing second hand from folks who worked for him I highly doubt Sandy is as integral to the hiring as one would think. If we end up in a spot where it’s apparent Sandy is still calling shots I’ll be disappointed; however, I think the reality is that he is more stewarding the process and the new president or GM will have their authority outlined by Cohen not alderson (both verbally and contractually).
Do I need Sandy as part of the oganization - absolutely not. But I am not going to lose sleep over him there since it’s more transient verse someone like Jell Wilson or one of the Maras.
Bendix has been the Rays director of baseball development since December 2015, serving essentially as a liaison between the research and development department and the rest of the organization. He started as an intern in 2009.
"He’s been a mainstay in our baseball operations group for some time now,'' Neander said. "In many respects he serves as a bridge or a conduit between our research and development concepts and a variety of other perspectives in our operation, a communicator of information really in all directions. That’s invaluable to us as we continue to grow and expand and pursue new knowledge. So that’s been a big part of his role.
"With respect to our major-league team, our player processing, the decision making that exists there, Pete has taken on more and more in that area over the last couple of years. Really, really confident with the work that he’s done, and he has been as influential in constructing our major-league roster as anybody here. More a continuation of the good work he’s done, and a recognition for that.''
have convinced themselves that Sandy Alderson is some celebrated baseball brain around MLB, and Cohen - a self-made billionaire hedge fund manager - couldn't have pulled off a takeover without Sandy's gravitas. Nor can the NYM run a successful baseball business, which essentially prints money at will, without Sandy's business acumen. Nor can they put together a .500 ballclub without the guy who's made a career out of mediocrity.
Sandy Alderson, one-of-a-kind man for all seasons.
the media didn't have Porter on the radar last year
and there were likely others who they talked to both last year and this year who fit that same description. let's see who they get, im guessing we are surprised again.
that doesn't mean im not disappointed they couldn't make Theo happen because he was the grand slam.
or that they couldn't make Beane happen even though I think he's more of a 2 run homer. though I was less surprised by that because he's said no a million times before.
i'm surprised they couldn't make Stearns happen if they really wanted him. Unlike the other 2 a blank check is a very big deal.
but the world doesn't end with those 3. they did the right thing by trying to get them and for me it's reassuring that's what they were aiming for.
the Mets are thinking about trading Mauricio if he's not moving off SS.
Seems like now is the time to allow him to learn a new position (OF would be awesome)
I suspect they believe the transition to OF is relatively "easy" vs. other spots. I'm not a scout but he looked slow (plus arm) in his movements at SS and Keith Law (who likes him a lot and previously praised the glove saw him in July and graded his SS play a 40/80, and suggested a move to 3b/OF). I also suspect this has more to do with the fact he's not really in the mix for 2022 so his rawness at the plate is what they want him to focus on. If he hits like he's capable his position will be less of a concern. If he's even a "40" at SS but hits, his trade value also is significantly higher.
We really don’t know who is leading the search. Knowing second hand from folks who worked for him I highly doubt Sandy is as integral to the hiring as one would think. If we end up in a spot where it’s apparent Sandy is still calling shots I’ll be disappointed; however, I think the reality is that he is more stewarding the process and the new president or GM will have their authority outlined by Cohen not alderson (both verbally and contractually).
Do I need Sandy as part of the oganization - absolutely not. But I am not going to lose sleep over him there since it’s more transient verse someone like Jell Wilson or one of the Maras.
this is very much my take. Sandy has been saying since his return that he is not looking to remain involved and I see very little evidence to support otherwise.
Rays model is often mentioned on the talent/development end but what they do unbelievably well is routinely hire people who are young, motivated and good at their roles. There is a reason you see so many top names as "former Rays" employees.
and Rays are two organizations whose success I'm mot sure teams like the Mets should want to emulate.
they are never expected to or pressured to win. Reaching the playoffs or having a decent season is enough success to constitute what good looks like for them.
I'd view the Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, etc. models as more what you want. Sure, the Yankees haven't won in a while, but getting knocked out in the WC (or at any point) is considered a failure. A world series is the goal every single season.
that's the kind of pressure I'd like to see an owner levy on this staff.
it would influence different behavior I think from the A's and Rays.
Rays model is often mentioned on the talent/development end but what they do unbelievably well is routinely hire people who are young, motivated and good at their roles. There is a reason you see so many top names as "former Rays" employees.
and that's with their owner's son as their director of player development.
and Rays are two organizations whose success I'm mot sure teams like the Mets should want to emulate.
they are never expected to or pressured to win. Reaching the playoffs or having a decent season is enough success to constitute what good looks like for them.
I'd view the Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, etc. models as more what you want. Sure, the Yankees haven't won in a while, but getting knocked out in the WC (or at any point) is considered a failure. A world series is the goal every single season.
that's the kind of pressure I'd like to see an owner levy on this staff.
it would influence different behavior I think from the A's and Rays.
Just my opinion.
PJ,
The head of the Dodgers (Friedman) was hired from the Rays. The head of the Braves flat out said his time with Friedman is a major factor in his success with Atl. Chaim Bloom... Rays, Erik Neander is considered one of the top minds in the game, Matt Arnold? hired by the Brewers from... the Rays. It's a fact the Rays FO tree has produced the best of the best.
When did the Rays ever acquire a Scherzer at the deadline as opposed to selling or exceed the luxury ever, forget about multiple years in a row.
Even this year some people claim the Rays "selling" at the deadline led to their early exit - Castillo, Hill, etc. even with the Nelson add.
I fully believe (and have read) that Friedman took what he learned in TB (including hiring of the best and brightest young minds he could find) and creating something of a "commune" with LAD. Other minds wants to join the Dodgers because of the process Friedman has implemented.
""The Los Angeles Dodgers are obviously one of the premiere organizations in the game, but the people that work here are the main draw," Anthopoulos said via conference call on Tuesday. "The ability to work with Andrew [Friedman], Farhan [Zaidi] and Josh [Byrnes] and everyone that's here.""
Zaidi headed to SF where we know the success he had this year, AA headed to the Braves and we see what they are doing
"You surround yourself with people who are really smart and really accomplished, you can get better," Anthopoulos said. "And with my experience and what I've been through, I expect to be able to help out as well."
"Ultimately Andrew does have the final say, which is the way it should be. But he's someone who values input and there is great collaboration on that end. I respect those guys so much. It's really exciting for me because I do think it's a great fit, and I think I'm going to improve myself being with them day in and day out.
"Anytime you take executives from other clubs, you're not all going to look at the world the same way. You put them all together, we can consolidate our ideas and thoughts. Hopefully it results in wins."
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No. 1 in the Mets org on the baseball ops side clearly doesn’t mean actually final decision maker. Sandy Alderson has been the final baseball arbiter running the show since he came back. The owner has no patience and talks too much. And you’re not hiring your own staff below
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
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be noted the role Scott was hired for, is now filled by Sandy's son and Ian Levin. So it's questionable how much "hiring" a new guy will even have. Will they have 3 assistant GM's? Why? If not, he's inheriting his FO? Even Brodie was allowed to bring on his own assistant GM (Adam Guttridge), as was Porter (Scott). The Mets have their assistant Gm's in place AND Sandy.
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
Fewest of any team? Why wouldn't the new head of the organization be allowed to bring in his own guys and/or decide who receives promotions? Promoting them to assistant GM in JULY when you KNEW you were bringing in somebody else to run the show isn't strange to you? They also have John Ricco/Marc Tramuta/Tanous. The rush to promote was in a word "strange".
I don't care about what the new hire says about Sandy/Cohen.
I care about who the new hire is, their background, and what their vision for the team is.
If they hire a seemingly mediocre retread or someone that isn't viewed a quality young FO prospect I will be leading the charge on the failure of this search.
I'm not going to get spun up by clickbait foretelling doom until it happens though.
So you disagree with me that you suggested for months Sandy would be a major asset in reeling in a "big name" major hire because of his gravitas and now it's clear there may be some concerns with the FO having 2 Alderson's in major roles, and that the tier of guy they land likely didn't need Sandy Alderson here to come here? Deep down, you think the Mets would have been worse off if Sandy announced on the final day of the season he was retiring?
I asked you yesterday who the best alternatives were and the best you could come up with were Omar, Ricco, or just hiring a consulting firm like KF.
I feel infinitely more confident that Sandy will find someone better than those alternatives.
I never said Sandy would guarantee success or be the reason someone takes this job. He checks a box the others don't. He doesn't check every box.
I'm as disappointed they didn't get 1 of the big 3 as anyone else but I'm glad they tried.
Not sure what else I can say except let's see who they hire. You are entitled to feel however you would like but I think there's a much better chance you will like who they hire than you do.
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be noted the role Scott was hired for, is now filled by Sandy's son and Ian Levin. So it's questionable how much "hiring" a new guy will even have. Will they have 3 assistant GM's? Why? If not, he's inheriting his FO? Even Brodie was allowed to bring on his own assistant GM (Adam Guttridge), as was Porter (Scott). The Mets have their assistant Gm's in place AND Sandy.
more projection based on nothing.
the LAD have like 20 director level or higher people listed in their baseball opps department including 6 VP's in player ops a senior vp and a president.
the Mets baseball opps department is right now lists just 5 full timers above coordinator including 4 vps (Scott on leave, Tanous, Levin, and Alderson).
All 3 of the mets AGMs have been with the club for a decade or more and had they not promoted Levin/Alderson they would have had just Tanous + Scott, which likely would have been the fewest of any FO in baseball. I don't think it's a coincidence that they were promoted into their roles near the deadline and the draft when there was likely a lot more busy work than during the rest of the season. functionally someone had to do that work and they likely rewarded long term employees they value with pay bumps in accordance with work they were already doing.
The Dodgers FO has 2 assistant GM's, ZERO G's one head of baseball operations, and one VP of baseball operations.
Byrnes is essentially the GM, but with the title of VP of baseball operations.
Friedman runs the team, Byrnes is the "GM", and he has 2 below him (Gomes/Finley) not really sure where you're getting this idea they have a million assistant GM's etc. They gave multiple people "VP" titles but it's things like international scouting or amateur scouting
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I don't care about what the new hire says about Sandy/Cohen.
I care about who the new hire is, their background, and what their vision for the team is.
If they hire a seemingly mediocre retread or someone that isn't viewed a quality young FO prospect I will be leading the charge on the failure of this search.
I'm not going to get spun up by clickbait foretelling doom until it happens though.
So you disagree with me that you suggested for months Sandy would be a major asset in reeling in a "big name" major hire because of his gravitas and now it's clear there may be some concerns with the FO having 2 Alderson's in major roles, and that the tier of guy they land likely didn't need Sandy Alderson here to come here? Deep down, you think the Mets would have been worse off if Sandy announced on the final day of the season he was retiring?
I asked you yesterday who the best alternatives were and the best you could come up with were Omar, Ricco, or just hiring a consulting firm like KF.
I feel infinitely more confident that Sandy will find someone better than those alternatives.
I never said Sandy would guarantee success or be the reason someone takes this job. He checks a box the others don't. He doesn't check every box.
I'm as disappointed they didn't get 1 of the big 3 as anyone else but I'm glad they tried.
Not sure what else I can say except let's see who they hire. You are entitled to feel however you would like but I think there's a much better chance you will like who they hire than you do.
Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
Eric all due respect but you went on and on about how Sandy was a major feather in the cap in landing some big name. You went as far as to admit it would be a very disappointing outcome if Sandy were unable to "sell Cohen" on one of these big names. You also cited the Dodgers FO for some reason? Outside of Byrnes being named a VP vs. a traditional GM, they have a very "normal" setup over there. They just give out VP titles to positions the Mets do not or have not.
For example, Tanous holds 2 titles in his VP role (International AND Amateur scouting), the Dodgers have that role split into 2 people, Tony DeFrancesco is a "senior advisor" with player development/scouting whereas the Dodgers have 2 VP's, one in player development and one in scouting. Their hierarchy has more bodies but no more bodies "at the top" ie GM, assistant GM etc than a regular team/ The Mets.
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By Michael Mayer
Updated: October 20, 2021
Mets Prospects Impressing in Arizona Fall League
The Salt River Rafters dropped just their second game of the Arizona Fall League season on Tuesday, 4-2, to the Peoria Javelinas. It was the first with of the season for the 1-5 Javelinas.
The River Rafters took an early lead thanks to an RBI single from Mets prospect Wilmer Reyes in the second inning. Peoria took a 3-1 lead into the seventh inning when Mets prospect Carlos Cortes hit a sac fly to inch the River Rafters closer.
LF Carlos Cortes 1-for-2, BB, RBI
SS Wilmer Reyes 1-for-3, RBI, BB
Cortes has been one of the best hitters on the River Rafters with a .385 average and 1.009 OPS. He was our No. 10 Mets prospect in our most recent rankings updates.
The 23-year-old Reyes has impressed early as well, he’s hitting .308 with a .855 OPS so far.
Mets third base prospect Brett Baty got his first day off during AFL action. He’s been the catalyst thus far for the River Rafters with a .444 average and team best 1.287 OPS....
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Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
why does the richest owner in baseball with the resources to do anything he wants and one of the most successful executives on wall street trust Sandy Alderson more than Omar Minaya, whom he is friends with, or top tier business consultancies he's likely worked with numerous times?
I would posit the answer lies somewhere in Sandy's HOF resume and generally universal respect around the game.
The counter argument seems to be that he's a puppet master manipulating this search to his families benefit based on unnamed and unattributed rumors and the fact that his son has worked for the team for 10 years and was recently promoted.
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Best I could come up with? I said at the bare minimum he had access to his own staff that it's been there for a decade (Sandy's son, Levin, Ricco, Tanous, Tramuta, + Omar). Why is 73 year old Sandy Alderson such a conduit to who the top young minds in baseball are? The Brewers didn't have a "Sandy Alderson" when their owner found Stearns, and most teams don't have a "Sandy Alderson" when hiring Sandy Alderson's "replacement" that's not the norm, newish owner or not.
why does the richest owner in baseball with the resources to do anything he wants and one of the most successful executives on wall street trust Sandy Alderson more than Omar Minaya, whom he is friends with, or top tier business consultancies he's likely worked with numerous times?
I would posit the answer lies somewhere in Sandy's HOF resume and generally universal respect around the game.
The counter argument seems to be that he's a puppet master manipulating this search to his families benefit based on unnamed and unattributed rumors and the fact that his son has worked for the team for 10 years and was recently promoted.
You have flat out stated that Cohen is a new owner and needs help making these kinds of decisions (multiple times), Cohen wanted Arn Tellem as his GM (Brodie much?) and now you are suggesting Cohen's opinion of Sandy means something? How can it be both ways?
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that's your right. I'm not sure why you don't think it's fair to wait to see who they hire. but I suppose that's also your right.
Eric all due respect but you went on and on about how Sandy was a major feather in the cap in landing some big name. You went as far as to admit it would be a very disappointing outcome if Sandy were unable to "sell Cohen" on one of these big names. You also cited the Dodgers FO for some reason? Outside of Byrnes being named a VP vs. a traditional GM, they have a very "normal" setup over there. They just give out VP titles to positions the Mets do not or have not.
For example, Tanous holds 2 titles in his VP role (International AND Amateur scouting), the Dodgers have that role split into 2 people, Tony DeFrancesco is a "senior advisor" with player development/scouting whereas the Dodgers have 2 VP's, one in player development and one in scouting. Their hierarchy has more bodies but no more bodies "at the top" ie GM, assistant GM etc than a regular team/ The Mets.
Your position seems to be that the search is a disaster because the met front office is being run by nepotism and Sandy's ego under Cohen's watch?
If so what does that say about Cohen?
Yes. Not sure how many times I can say that, by your own account like 10 minutes ago I have been "going on and on about it".
We have seen him make seemingly good hires in the past and I don't think Cohen is a moron who is getting bamboozled.
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didn't answer above, you are happy Sandy has returned for the 2022 season correct?
Yes. Not sure how many times I can say that, by your own account like 10 minutes ago I have been "going on and on about it".
We have seen him make seemingly good hires in the past and I don't think Cohen is a moron who is getting bamboozled.
Again, you flat out said Cohen couldn't do this without Sandy's help, but wouldn't that imply (in terms of baseball) Cohen doesn't really know what he's doing aka reliant on somebody else? I wouldn't use "moron" because he's a obviously a great businessman, but judge of baseball talent/executives? He very well may prove to be a moron. How would we know? Because he's very rich?
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Thomas Szapucki, who underwent ulnar transposition surgery over the summer (per MLB.com), is continuing to build up and will be back. The organization plans to have Szapucki, who debuted in the bigs in 2021, back on the mound in 2022.
(I've heard off the record Late July/August for Allan)
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didn't answer above, you are happy Sandy has returned for the 2022 season correct?
Yes. Not sure how many times I can say that, by your own account like 10 minutes ago I have been "going on and on about it".
We have seen him make seemingly good hires in the past and I don't think Cohen is a moron who is getting bamboozled.
Again, you flat out said Cohen couldn't do this without Sandy's help, but wouldn't that imply (in terms of baseball) Cohen doesn't really know what he's doing aka reliant on somebody else? I wouldn't use "moron" because he's a obviously a great businessman, but judge of baseball talent/executives? He very well may prove to be a moron. How would we know? Because he's very rich?
I didn't say Cohen couldn't do it without Sandy's help - I have the exact same questions as yours that i've bolded above. He is not experienced in hiring baseball executives and would do well to have someone help him.
where we disagree is:
I think Cohen is making a good choice to have Sandy in that role.
you think Cohen is wrong because Sandy is trying to retain control, biased towards his son, etc.
both of us are just guessing until we see who they hire and we've exhausted our reasons so maybe we just wait to see who they hire and judge that hire as best we can?
and not the area where he usually beclowns himself.
didn't you say Seidler blocked you on twitter a few months ago over something insane?
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Seidler is sky high on Baty, has him top 25-30 in the sport.
and not the area where he usually beclowns himself.
didn't you say Seidler blocked you on twitter a few months ago over something insane?
He blocked me for saying something he interpreted as pro-Bauer (this was before the rape stuff) but unbeknownst to me his then fiance/now wife was one of Bauer's high profile "social media" targets. So I did understand his sensitivity once I spoke to him.
". Peter played baseball and tennis while growing up outside of Cleveland, and claims to be an excellent ping-pong player.
Right but didn't you say some of those guys bowed out of previous searches because of how they viewed the structures they were walking into as problematic?
I believe Porter had a similar history before taking the met job last year, right?
Let's see who they get. The result is all that matters. I've said this numerous times but for me the baseline is Porter. If they can't get someone they view as better than Porter this time around I'd literally just bring him back if I were the owner.
Anyone less appealing than Porter is a failure IMO.
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believe you're completely overstating the value of Sandy Alderson to this search, and quite frankly (and things may in fact change) even the suggested names are guys we have heard talked up for years (I admit I didn't know much about Gomes) but Matt Arnold was up for GM jobs for a few years now, Josh Byrnes for the better part of a decade, Scott Harris was director of baseball operations for the WS winning Cubs, which is why he's now the GM of the Giants, these aren't exactly deep dive "Sandy could help direct the search" names to anybody who follows baseball closely.
Right but didn't you say some of those guys bowed out of previous searches because of how they viewed the structures they were walking into as problematic?
I believe Porter had a similar history before taking the met job last year, right?
Let's see who they get. The result is all that matters. I've said this numerous times but for me the baseline is Porter. If they can't get someone they view as better than Porter this time around I'd literally just bring him back if I were the owner.
Anyone less appealing than Porter is a failure IMO.
It's believed Byrnes strongly prefers the West Coast and/or needs the absolute perfect situation to leave LAD. I'm guessing/assuming he realizes his stock will never be higher and taking the wrong job now likely = his last shot doing so in such a major role. Matt Arnold was "blocked" by the Brewers from leaving as they promoted him to GM (which is what's rumored to happen with Gomes and LAD). Scott Harris, who knows? But he's from SF and has only been GM for a brief period, would be a "risky" run the entire show hire (like Arnold), I'm not suggesting "risk" means bad.
Carlos Rodriguez
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
Do I need Sandy as part of the oganization - absolutely not. But I am not going to lose sleep over him there since it’s more transient verse someone like Jell Wilson or one of the Maras.
Seems like now is the time to allow him to learn a new position (OF would be awesome)
Bendix has been the Rays director of baseball development since December 2015, serving essentially as a liaison between the research and development department and the rest of the organization. He started as an intern in 2009.
"He’s been a mainstay in our baseball operations group for some time now,'' Neander said. "In many respects he serves as a bridge or a conduit between our research and development concepts and a variety of other perspectives in our operation, a communicator of information really in all directions. That’s invaluable to us as we continue to grow and expand and pursue new knowledge. So that’s been a big part of his role.
"With respect to our major-league team, our player processing, the decision making that exists there, Pete has taken on more and more in that area over the last couple of years. Really, really confident with the work that he’s done, and he has been as influential in constructing our major-league roster as anybody here. More a continuation of the good work he’s done, and a recognition for that.''
Sandy Alderson, one-of-a-kind man for all seasons.
that doesn't mean im not disappointed they couldn't make Theo happen because he was the grand slam.
or that they couldn't make Beane happen even though I think he's more of a 2 run homer. though I was less surprised by that because he's said no a million times before.
i'm surprised they couldn't make Stearns happen if they really wanted him. Unlike the other 2 a blank check is a very big deal.
but the world doesn't end with those 3. they did the right thing by trying to get them and for me it's reassuring that's what they were aiming for.
Seems like now is the time to allow him to learn a new position (OF would be awesome)
I suspect they believe the transition to OF is relatively "easy" vs. other spots. I'm not a scout but he looked slow (plus arm) in his movements at SS and Keith Law (who likes him a lot and previously praised the glove saw him in July and graded his SS play a 40/80, and suggested a move to 3b/OF). I also suspect this has more to do with the fact he's not really in the mix for 2022 so his rawness at the plate is what they want him to focus on. If he hits like he's capable his position will be less of a concern. If he's even a "40" at SS but hits, his trade value also is significantly higher.
Do I need Sandy as part of the oganization - absolutely not. But I am not going to lose sleep over him there since it’s more transient verse someone like Jell Wilson or one of the Maras.
this is very much my take. Sandy has been saying since his return that he is not looking to remain involved and I see very little evidence to support otherwise.
they are never expected to or pressured to win. Reaching the playoffs or having a decent season is enough success to constitute what good looks like for them.
I'd view the Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, etc. models as more what you want. Sure, the Yankees haven't won in a while, but getting knocked out in the WC (or at any point) is considered a failure. A world series is the goal every single season.
that's the kind of pressure I'd like to see an owner levy on this staff.
it would influence different behavior I think from the A's and Rays.
Just my opinion.
and that's with their owner's son as their director of player development.
they are never expected to or pressured to win. Reaching the playoffs or having a decent season is enough success to constitute what good looks like for them.
I'd view the Red Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, etc. models as more what you want. Sure, the Yankees haven't won in a while, but getting knocked out in the WC (or at any point) is considered a failure. A world series is the goal every single season.
that's the kind of pressure I'd like to see an owner levy on this staff.
it would influence different behavior I think from the A's and Rays.
Just my opinion.
PJ,
The head of the Dodgers (Friedman) was hired from the Rays. The head of the Braves flat out said his time with Friedman is a major factor in his success with Atl. Chaim Bloom... Rays, Erik Neander is considered one of the top minds in the game, Matt Arnold? hired by the Brewers from... the Rays. It's a fact the Rays FO tree has produced the best of the best.
Neander Rays
Arnold Rays
Friedman Rays
Bloom Rays
James Click (Astros GM) Rays
I think it's safe to say Andrew Friedman took his "Rays" time and used it with a bigger payroll (much bigger) quite nicely with LAD.
It's a who's who of names who came from TB
Rays, Red Sox, Brewers, Astros, Dodgers all have ex-Rays as president or GM.
Clearly you can see the difference, right?
When did the Rays ever acquire a Scherzer at the deadline as opposed to selling or exceed the luxury ever, forget about multiple years in a row.
Even this year some people claim the Rays "selling" at the deadline led to their early exit - Castillo, Hill, etc. even with the Nelson add.
Clearly you can see the difference, right?
When did the Rays ever acquire a Scherzer at the deadline as opposed to selling or exceed the luxury ever, forget about multiple years in a row.
Even this year some people claim the Rays "selling" at the deadline led to their early exit - Castillo, Hill, etc. even with the Nelson add.
I fully believe (and have read) that Friedman took what he learned in TB (including hiring of the best and brightest young minds he could find) and creating something of a "commune" with LAD. Other minds wants to join the Dodgers because of the process Friedman has implemented.
""The Los Angeles Dodgers are obviously one of the premiere organizations in the game, but the people that work here are the main draw," Anthopoulos said via conference call on Tuesday. "The ability to work with Andrew [Friedman], Farhan [Zaidi] and Josh [Byrnes] and everyone that's here.""
Zaidi headed to SF where we know the success he had this year, AA headed to the Braves and we see what they are doing
"You surround yourself with people who are really smart and really accomplished, you can get better," Anthopoulos said. "And with my experience and what I've been through, I expect to be able to help out as well."
"Ultimately Andrew does have the final say, which is the way it should be. But he's someone who values input and there is great collaboration on that end. I respect those guys so much. It's really exciting for me because I do think it's a great fit, and I think I'm going to improve myself being with them day in and day out.
"Anytime you take executives from other clubs, you're not all going to look at the world the same way. You put them all together, we can consolidate our ideas and thoughts. Hopefully it results in wins."