and I think that was a lesson Bloom had sort of learned the hard way up until the 2nd half this year when they went on their run. Zaidi too.
the Dodgers are the model and Cohen rightfully said so from day 1. The challenge has been finding a Friedman, which isn't really a huge surprise because so far there's really only 1 Friedman in MLB (and 1 Theo before him).
Maybe Bloom becomes the next one. Or Stearns. Or Zaidi. Or the Twins guys. Or Billy Owens. Or Heck. Or whoever. That's what this search is all about.
nothing against Heck or Owens but those are "talent" guys ie development (like Byrnes). They don't have the kind of broad experience a Zaidi or Bloom had. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be good hires but they aren't really "run the organization" type of hires.
for example was scouting director with Houston, then moved on to the Rays as a special assistant to the GM with a focus on the draft. I have no clue if he's capable of doing other things but that's not really part of his experience/resume. Owens was a player, then a scout/coach who then was promoted to director of player personal and later assistant GM. Sandy/Cohen actually opted against hiring both men as GM last time around (the job that went to Porter). Neither seem very likely to be POBO candidates this time around with their relative lack of experience in that kind of role or near the lead in an organization. Heck has an impeccable reputation as an eye for talent but also an abrasive personality (he was reportedly, and maybe Cohen would like this... told by the Rays to stop with some of his tweeting and controversial tweets)
Law recently mentioned Heck as a great candidate to be a GM somewhere. That being said, if you're only hiring a GM then who is in charge? Sandy Alderson, yet again. Heck UNDER a POBO? Sure.
Law recently mentioned Heck as a great candidate to be a GM somewhere. That being said, if you're only hiring a GM then who is in charge? Sandy Alderson, yet again. Heck UNDER a POBO? Sure.
this is where this situation is a rubiks cube.
if they think Heck (or whoever) is a big time GM/player development guru then I want that guy inside the FO. or at least the flexibility to get that guy even if there were other areas of concern where he is too green - and where imo having a Sandy around who can functionally bridge gaps is helpful.
The stated preference since day 1 has been to find the experienced president first - but by virtue of the fact that they want someone experienced there are only so many quality candidates available. Is pairing one of the experienced AND available names like Hill or Melvin with a super star young GM preferable to keeping Sandy around and remaining flexible over the next few years as contract situations play out elsewhere? For me it's not.
And for me the top priority is getting as many great baseball minds in the door as possible regardless of where their specialties and experience levels are presently.
Peter Bendix likely isn't getting a GM/POBO job right now (he's VERY young) but he's already been talked up so you know that's likely in his future.
Neander Rays
Arnold Rays
Friedman Rays
Bloom Rays
James Click (Astros GM) Rays
I think it's safe to say Andrew Friedman took his "Rays" time and used it with a bigger payroll (much bigger) quite nicely with LAD.
It's a who's who of names who came from TB
So.. to build on my earlier narratives...
What you are seeing is that the Rays (1 of 30 teams) have basically abandoned the incestuous, nepotism driven hiring model traditionally employed by privately owned MLB franchises and have replaced it with...
A corporate talent development pipeline, likely offering competitive salaries for highly talented, highly educated graduates who don't have to take a shot on an unpaid internship of low paying entry level MLB job with a chance at a handful of jobs vs guaranteed 6 digit salaries in other industries...
the Rays employ their owner's son as their director of player development so they are just as nepotistic as the rest.
FO salaries aren't as publicly available as player salaries but since Tampa doesn't spend a ton of money on anything and their retention rates of executives are if anything low since so many have been poached I doubt they are succeeding because they are paying more throughout their FO.
Tampa has succeeded by being best in breed at player development (where their owner's former Goldman Sachs/Paramount Pictures intern son works!) and by having a consistent strategy they've committed to for a long time home growing talent and maximizing their return on that talent in lieu of paying them to add more resources to adding young talent. It didn't work day 1 and the results of it being deployed at big markets were mixed (see red sox/bloom/betts trade).
Oakland's moneyball approach was similar in committing to something different than everyone else but different in how they did so.
the moral of the story imo is hire smart people who can commit to an approach that fits the team/payroll/market. the LAD model is the right one for the Mets and Cohen has been right in pursuing it. I'd guess he will be the first to agree with all of us that trying doesn't matter and the results do and on that they have failed so far.
unless you're talking about somebody else, Stu Sternberg's son does work for the Rays but he's "Director of Development strategies" and nowhere near the top of the food chain. Auld and Silverman are presidents, Neander is the BOPO Link - ( New Window )
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Mets announce that Carlos Carrasco underwent successful surgery yesterday to remove a bone fragment from his right elbow.
Carrasco missed a large portion of the 2021 season and posted a 6.04 ERA in 53 2/3 innings.
the Rays employ their owner's son as their director of player development so they are just as nepotistic as the rest.
FO salaries aren't as publicly available as player salaries but since Tampa doesn't spend a ton of money on anything and their retention rates of executives are if anything low since so many have been poached I doubt they are succeeding because they are paying more throughout their FO.
Tampa has succeeded by being best in breed at player development (where their owner's former Goldman Sachs/Paramount Pictures intern son works!) and by having a consistent strategy they've committed to for a long time home growing talent and maximizing their return on that talent in lieu of paying them to add more resources to adding young talent. It didn't work day 1 and the results of it being deployed at big markets were mixed (see red sox/bloom/betts trade).
Oakland's moneyball approach was similar in committing to something different than everyone else but different in how they did so.
the moral of the story imo is hire smart people who can commit to an approach that fits the team/payroll/market. the LAD model is the right one for the Mets and Cohen has been right in pursuing it. I'd guess he will be the first to agree with all of us that trying doesn't matter and the results do and on that they have failed so far.
Director of player development for the Rays is Peter Bendix. I think you are mistaken in this "big" role Sternberg's son has. Can't find a single piece suggesting anything of the sort, and his title appears about 30 names down the Rays FO page with no such major title.
Sandy "Sanford" Sternberg is in his 20's and was hired in 2019 ", as director, development strategy." which is the 10th title that shows up on the baseball operations page and not one of the officers for the team. Minor role.
im not saying he has a major role just showing nepotism exists
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Mets announce that Carlos Carrasco underwent successful surgery yesterday to remove a bone fragment from his right elbow.
Carrasco missed a large portion of the 2021 season and posted a 6.04 ERA in 53 2/3 innings.
Almost good news given how bad he looked.
RE: im not saying he has a major role just showing nepotism exists
everywhere. If he spends 10+ years with Tampa like Bryn Alderson has I'm sure he will have a bigger role too.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
whose background looks more aligned with the stereotypical nepotism "f up". The relatively recent grad who had short stints in finance and feature films before finding a soft landing in his dad's teams front office?
or the guy who has almost 20 years of a variety of scouting roles his resume (presumably making the exact risky choice with low pay and shitty travel you've described in this thread)?
both could be screw ups. neither could be screw ups. we don't know and it doesn't really matter.
RE: RE: im not saying he has a major role just showing nepotism exists
everywhere. If he spends 10+ years with Tampa like Bryn Alderson has I'm sure he will have a bigger role too.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
Bryn Alderson was hired 10 years ago as a scout, remained a met after Sandy left the organization, and it is within the realm of possibility deserving of any promotions he's received. they have publicly commented that his presence is a non issue on any new hires having autonomy (in the article you linked).
everywhere. If he spends 10+ years with Tampa like Bryn Alderson has I'm sure he will have a bigger role too.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
Bryn Alderson was hired 10 years ago as a scout, remained a met after Sandy left the organization, and it is within the realm of possibility deserving of any promotions he's received. they have publicly commented that his presence is a non issue on any new hires having autonomy (in the article you linked).
"They have"? Sandy... HIS FATHER has. C'mon Eric, even in defense of the Mets that's silly.
pretend Sandy Alderson is a human sack of shit and his son is a complete moron who doesn't deserve a job in baseball. Would you expect him to say something other than this?
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
pretend Sandy Alderson is a human sack of shit and his son is a complete moron who doesn't deserve a job in baseball. Would you expect him to say something other than this?
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
Any other answer would be off the wall nuts.
making a public comment for the team? if he's defending his son and making decisions in this search not cleared by Cohen I think he'd be fired on the spot.
Cohen fired Porter pretty much on the spot for less than that.
pretend Sandy Alderson is a human sack of shit and his son is a complete moron who doesn't deserve a job in baseball. Would you expect him to say something other than this?
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
Any other answer would be off the wall nuts.
making a public comment for the team? if he's defending his son and making decisions in this search not cleared by Cohen I think he'd be fired on the spot.
Cohen fired Porter pretty much on the spot for less than that.
Huh? Sandy was asked if his son would be an issue and he said no. What in the world would you expect him to say?
would Cohen see the future and know if 2 Alderson's in the FO would effect autonomy for a future hire? I'm truly confused by this conversation. Sandy says it WON'T be an issue, aka the only answer he can give.
you don't seem to realize this but your argument against sandy
is essentially that he's manipulating the future of the club behind cohen's back.
does that seem plausible to you? do you think Cohen isn't highly aware of what's going on in this search and only checking in when Sandy books him a lunch with Theo?
think it's realistic for Sandy to have said "ya know what? It might be an issue with my son there?" honestly? As I find it hard to believe Cohen is in the room when discussing trades for Trevor Williams, I also find it hard to believe Cohen is FIRING Sandy Alderson for making this claim...
RE: you don't seem to realize this but your argument against sandy
is essentially that he's manipulating the future of the club behind cohen's back.
does that seem plausible to you? do you think Cohen isn't highly aware of what's going on in this search and only checking in when Sandy books him a lunch with Theo?
Where did I suggest such a thing? I stated having 2 HIGH ranking members of your FO be 1. A father who "previously" ran the team ya know, as recently as NOW, and 2. His recently promoted son (promoted by him) is a potential issue for potential candidates (especially those with less experience). You find this to be absurd, that's your right but I'm not sure why.
wouldn't feel kind of funny taking a job that was previously held by a guy who is still there in an "unknown" capacity (and has stated he does want a "seat at the table"), this guys son is assistant GM, and another your assistant GM's worked for the old guy for a decade? You wouldn't think "hmmm, it could potentially be an issue when we are debating moves and the room isn't full of people I picked and 2 of which are father in son"? Absolutely zero potential reservations at all, nobody could ever think about such a thing?
either you think Sandy is defending his son ahead of the team's interests in a way cohen wouldn't support.
or you think Cohen is pro-nepotism and blessing sandy keeping his son involved despite him hindering the search for a team president/gm.
there is no way on the planet Cohen is allowing anyone to promote their kid in his organization at the expense of the team and organization.
Nope. I don't think Cohen is in the "war room" when it comes to most moves and I believe Cohen (for whatever the reason) loves Sandy Alderson (was beyond quick to bring him on) so of course he's going to be comfortable with his son still on board.
just using pipeline as a guide they have 3 SP prospects who have pitched above a-ball in their top 20... JT Ginn, Thomas Szapucki and Jose Butto who I like but is a back end smallish type. Not really sure what they do with the SP. Eduardo Rodriguez would be an intriguing gamble.
wouldn't feel kind of funny taking a job that was previously held by a guy who is still there in an "unknown" capacity (and has stated he does want a "seat at the table"), this guys son is assistant GM, and another your assistant GM's worked for the old guy for a decade? You wouldn't think "hmmm, it could potentially be an issue when we are debating moves and the room isn't full of people I picked and 2 of which are father in son"? Absolutely zero potential reservations at all, nobody could ever think about such a thing?
it would entirely depend on the contract I signed and the people involved I was dealing with. The 3 known candidates they went after indicate it's a non-issue because all 3 would have required 100% complete control and 2 almost definitely would have required record setting ownership equity for a front office member. That doesn't jive with "but you also have to keep bryn alderson around even if you think he's a fuck up".
Sandy as an employee of the Mets running this search made official comments on this and specifically said autonomy was a non-issue. If the candidates they are interviewing won't have autonomy that public statement is a lie either with or without Cohen's blessing and neither seems plausible.
whose background looks more aligned with the stereotypical nepotism "f up". The relatively recent grad who had short stints in finance and feature films before finding a soft landing in his dad's teams front office?
or the guy who has almost 20 years of a variety of scouting roles his resume (presumably making the exact risky choice with low pay and shitty travel you've described in this thread)?
both could be screw ups. neither could be screw ups. we don't know and it doesn't really matter.
Both have generational wealth and are working for pride/fun anyway... there is no risk in the equation for them.
In your 20s and married with a kid and a mortgage and no rich parents? Harder to go after a gig in pro sports than other paths..
wouldn't feel kind of funny taking a job that was previously held by a guy who is still there in an "unknown" capacity (and has stated he does want a "seat at the table"), this guys son is assistant GM, and another your assistant GM's worked for the old guy for a decade? You wouldn't think "hmmm, it could potentially be an issue when we are debating moves and the room isn't full of people I picked and 2 of which are father in son"? Absolutely zero potential reservations at all, nobody could ever think about such a thing?
it would entirely depend on the contract I signed and the people involved I was dealing with. The 3 known candidates they went after indicate it's a non-issue because all 3 would have required 100% complete control and 2 almost definitely would have required record setting ownership equity for a front office member. That doesn't jive with "but you also have to keep bryn alderson around even if you think he's a fuck up".
Sandy as an employee of the Mets running this search made official comments on this and specifically said autonomy was a non-issue. If the candidates they are interviewing won't have autonomy that public statement is a lie either with or without Cohen's blessing and neither seems plausible.
You keep harping on this idea Bryn Alderson is a Jeff Wilpon 2.0, why can't it be a less than ideal situation to have the old boss, his son and a 10 year employee as 3/5, or 50% of your likely FO? Why must it be so nefarious?
guy like Stearns/Beane/Theo likely doesn't give a shit about 2 Alderson's in the FO, a guy like Bobby Heck or that ilk, with limited (or no) experience running the show, or building his own FO, very well might. Further, for whatever the reason Bobby Heck has been passed over multiple times, a guy like that is also more likely to be accepting of a less than ideal setup. He's not "old" but at soon to be 56, he's likely as "hot" as he's ever going to be to be a first time GM etc. Not all of these guys are in the same position, nor can they afford to be as picky. I have no clue what kind of money Byrnes makes but my guess is it's substantial given the Dodgers payroll and his ability to turn down other jobs.
of note, despite Cohen being a bit of a big mouth, it remains unclear who he knows around baseball. It's been implied he doesn't know much of anyone (thus rushing to hire Sandy and "needing" Sandy to find somebody else) but reportedly it was Cohen who suggested Heck last season. Now it's of course possible Cohen was "fanboy hiring" the same way any of us do, and simply read the same stuff but that was interesting.
because Bryn Alderson and Sandy Alderson are currently employed by Cohen. Candidates are either intrigued at the idea of enriching themselves and running 1 of the few big spending teams in MLB or they are not. that is the headline. Gammons made it sound like Theo would never work for Cohen and he still took a meeting.
Any and all concerns any candidate has (Alderson family or otherwise) are fair game when they or their agents talk to Cohen and that is where the responsibility is on Cohen to do whatever it takes to land the right guy - including clean house of the aldersons if that's what it takes. It is ultimately his decision, his franchise, his money, his investment to grow.
If nothing else Sandy's comment today is an acknowledgment that they know autonomy is crucial. Which he's also indicated several times before since returning. I've yet to see anything that makes me think these lightly sourced speculation is anything more than clickbait designed to elicit clicks/shares from the very many met fans who don't like Sandy at the moment. mission accomplished I suppose.
because Bryn Alderson and Sandy Alderson are currently employed by Cohen. Candidates are either intrigued at the idea of enriching themselves and running 1 of the few big spending teams in MLB or they are not. that is the headline. Gammons made it sound like Theo would never work for Cohen and he still took a meeting.
Any and all concerns any candidate has (Alderson family or otherwise) are fair game when they or their agents talk to Cohen and that is where the responsibility is on Cohen to do whatever it takes to land the right guy - including clean house of the aldersons if that's what it takes. It is ultimately his decision, his franchise, his money, his investment to grow.
If nothing else Sandy's comment today is an acknowledgment that they know autonomy is crucial. Which he's also indicated several times before since returning. I've yet to see anything that makes me think these lightly sourced speculation is anything more than clickbait designed to elicit clicks/shares from the very many met fans who don't like Sandy at the moment. mission accomplished I suppose.
Eric,
Sandy was asked the autonomy question. I'm really unclear why you're so hung up on his statement as if provided real clarity. He was asked about it and he said it would be a non-issue. The alternative would have been "no comment".
don't see the potential for a guy like Heck who has never been given a chance to potentially walk into a less than ideal situation because he wants to be a Gm after waiting for a long time. I do. But this consistent praise of the Mets SAYING it won't be an issue, is very strange. What other answer could Sandy have given?
Well thought of, worked at different levels, over 10 years experience.
Will he want to come though? He's in a high position already, well compensated and working 10 minutes from where he grew up and his childhood home.
Scott Harris would be a home run (on paper) but as you noted, he's from SF, is already a GM and has very little experience at that level so you're bringing him in to be the POBO and learn on the job. Doesn't mean it can't be done but 2 seasons as GM, 1 season as an assistant GM... straight to running an entire organization (remember he's had Farhan Zaidi as his boss, so this would be a major step up to "the guy".
only real potential selling point for Harris would be "this is completely your team, hire who you want, do what you want" but that's a big "offer" for a guy of his upper level experience and again, not to rehash this Sandy stuff even further, how does he do that with so many people already in place? I guess hiring his own GM would be a start.
also curious about this... the Mets took a meeting with Kyle Boddy late in the season... why? Wouldn't such a hire be something that would be something you'd have your new POBO decide? What was the thought process there knowing there would be a new person in charge? You don't hire a new pitching coordinator (which is a team philosophy type of position) before hiring the guy who will implement his own philosophies. Why was that initiated?
"That also aligns with finding a compromise point between the earlier proposed low point ($17 million per season) and the proposed high point ($25 million per). The longer the deal is for Báez, the lower the average annual value. You can imagine a seven-year deal at $21 million per year ($147 million total) or six at $22.5 million per year ($135 million total) or five at $24 million each ($120 million total)."
“ The Mets are hoping to be able to hire their Baseball President first but if the search doesn’t go quickly haven’t ruled out hiring a manager first. They had been hopeful Billy Beane would take the President job but are now forming a new list.” idiotic if true, I’m not buying it but who (and who is doing the interviewing and picking of said manager…..) sticks the new guy with a manager he didn’t pick?
Seems ridiculous (even for the Mets). Manager isn’t something that needs to be decided now. There is no “Bill Belichek” level ridiculous no-brainer to chase. It’s October!
the Dodgers are the model and Cohen rightfully said so from day 1. The challenge has been finding a Friedman, which isn't really a huge surprise because so far there's really only 1 Friedman in MLB (and 1 Theo before him).
Maybe Bloom becomes the next one. Or Stearns. Or Zaidi. Or the Twins guys. Or Billy Owens. Or Heck. Or whoever. That's what this search is all about.
this is where this situation is a rubiks cube.
if they think Heck (or whoever) is a big time GM/player development guru then I want that guy inside the FO. or at least the flexibility to get that guy even if there were other areas of concern where he is too green - and where imo having a Sandy around who can functionally bridge gaps is helpful.
The stated preference since day 1 has been to find the experienced president first - but by virtue of the fact that they want someone experienced there are only so many quality candidates available. Is pairing one of the experienced AND available names like Hill or Melvin with a super star young GM preferable to keeping Sandy around and remaining flexible over the next few years as contract situations play out elsewhere? For me it's not.
And for me the top priority is getting as many great baseball minds in the door as possible regardless of where their specialties and experience levels are presently.
Neander Rays
Arnold Rays
Friedman Rays
Bloom Rays
James Click (Astros GM) Rays
I think it's safe to say Andrew Friedman took his "Rays" time and used it with a bigger payroll (much bigger) quite nicely with LAD.
It's a who's who of names who came from TB
So.. to build on my earlier narratives...
What you are seeing is that the Rays (1 of 30 teams) have basically abandoned the incestuous, nepotism driven hiring model traditionally employed by privately owned MLB franchises and have replaced it with...
A corporate talent development pipeline, likely offering competitive salaries for highly talented, highly educated graduates who don't have to take a shot on an unpaid internship of low paying entry level MLB job with a chance at a handful of jobs vs guaranteed 6 digit salaries in other industries...
FO salaries aren't as publicly available as player salaries but since Tampa doesn't spend a ton of money on anything and their retention rates of executives are if anything low since so many have been poached I doubt they are succeeding because they are paying more throughout their FO.
Tampa has succeeded by being best in breed at player development (where their owner's former Goldman Sachs/Paramount Pictures intern son works!) and by having a consistent strategy they've committed to for a long time home growing talent and maximizing their return on that talent in lieu of paying them to add more resources to adding young talent. It didn't work day 1 and the results of it being deployed at big markets were mixed (see red sox/bloom/betts trade).
Oakland's moneyball approach was similar in committing to something different than everyone else but different in how they did so.
the moral of the story imo is hire smart people who can commit to an approach that fits the team/payroll/market. the LAD model is the right one for the Mets and Cohen has been right in pursuing it. I'd guess he will be the first to agree with all of us that trying doesn't matter and the results do and on that they have failed so far.
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Carrasco missed a large portion of the 2021 season and posted a 6.04 ERA in 53 2/3 innings.
FO salaries aren't as publicly available as player salaries but since Tampa doesn't spend a ton of money on anything and their retention rates of executives are if anything low since so many have been poached I doubt they are succeeding because they are paying more throughout their FO.
Tampa has succeeded by being best in breed at player development (where their owner's former Goldman Sachs/Paramount Pictures intern son works!) and by having a consistent strategy they've committed to for a long time home growing talent and maximizing their return on that talent in lieu of paying them to add more resources to adding young talent. It didn't work day 1 and the results of it being deployed at big markets were mixed (see red sox/bloom/betts trade).
Oakland's moneyball approach was similar in committing to something different than everyone else but different in how they did so.
the moral of the story imo is hire smart people who can commit to an approach that fits the team/payroll/market. the LAD model is the right one for the Mets and Cohen has been right in pursuing it. I'd guess he will be the first to agree with all of us that trying doesn't matter and the results do and on that they have failed so far.
Director of player development for the Rays is Peter Bendix. I think you are mistaken in this "big" role Sternberg's son has. Can't find a single piece suggesting anything of the sort, and his title appears about 30 names down the Rays FO page with no such major title.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
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Mets announce that Carlos Carrasco underwent successful surgery yesterday to remove a bone fragment from his right elbow.
Carrasco missed a large portion of the 2021 season and posted a 6.04 ERA in 53 2/3 innings.
Almost good news given how bad he looked.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
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#Mets rotation right now:
Jacob deGrom (elbow inflammation, didn’t pitch in the 2nd half)
Taijuan Walker (7.13 second half ERA)
Carlos Carrasco (6.04 ERA in 2021, now recovering from elbow surgery)
Even if you add Noah Syndergaard back in, he’s thrown 2 innings in 2 years.
or the guy who has almost 20 years of a variety of scouting roles his resume (presumably making the exact risky choice with low pay and shitty travel you've described in this thread)?
both could be screw ups. neither could be screw ups. we don't know and it doesn't really matter.
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everywhere. If he spends 10+ years with Tampa like Bryn Alderson has I'm sure he will have a bigger role too.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
Bryn Alderson was hired 10 years ago as a scout, remained a met after Sandy left the organization, and it is within the realm of possibility deserving of any promotions he's received. they have publicly commented that his presence is a non issue on any new hires having autonomy (in the article you linked).
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#Mets rotation right now:
Jacob deGrom (elbow inflammation, didn’t pitch in the 2nd half)
Taijuan Walker (7.13 second half ERA)
Carlos Carrasco (6.04 ERA in 2021, now recovering from elbow surgery)
Even if you add Noah Syndergaard back in, he’s thrown 2 innings in 2 years.
and JT Ginn really the only SP prospect (on paper) anywhere near 2022 discussion.
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everywhere. If he spends 10+ years with Tampa like Bryn Alderson has I'm sure he will have a bigger role too.
Up until July the 2 of them had the same level title despite Bryn Alderson actually having worked in baseball for 20 years.
Title's fluctuate from team to team but look how many names appear before him on the Rays page, if Cohen hires his son, it'll be a non story, if he hires his son and he's named GM then it's going to be a story.
Bryn Alderson was hired 10 years ago as a scout, remained a met after Sandy left the organization, and it is within the realm of possibility deserving of any promotions he's received. they have publicly commented that his presence is a non issue on any new hires having autonomy (in the article you linked).
"They have"? Sandy... HIS FATHER has. C'mon Eric, even in defense of the Mets that's silly.
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
Any other answer would be off the wall nuts.
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
Any other answer would be off the wall nuts.
making a public comment for the team? if he's defending his son and making decisions in this search not cleared by Cohen I think he'd be fired on the spot.
Cohen fired Porter pretty much on the spot for less than that.
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pretend Sandy Alderson is a human sack of shit and his son is a complete moron who doesn't deserve a job in baseball. Would you expect him to say something other than this?
"Asked specifically about potential concerns of the autonomy of a future front-office hire with his son in a high-ranking position, he said: “That will not be an issue, I can assure you.”
Any other answer would be off the wall nuts.
making a public comment for the team? if he's defending his son and making decisions in this search not cleared by Cohen I think he'd be fired on the spot.
Cohen fired Porter pretty much on the spot for less than that.
Huh? Sandy was asked if his son would be an issue and he said no. What in the world would you expect him to say?
does that seem plausible to you? do you think Cohen isn't highly aware of what's going on in this search and only checking in when Sandy books him a lunch with Theo?
does that seem plausible to you? do you think Cohen isn't highly aware of what's going on in this search and only checking in when Sandy books him a lunch with Theo?
Where did I suggest such a thing? I stated having 2 HIGH ranking members of your FO be 1. A father who "previously" ran the team ya know, as recently as NOW, and 2. His recently promoted son (promoted by him) is a potential issue for potential candidates (especially those with less experience). You find this to be absurd, that's your right but I'm not sure why.
or you think Cohen is pro-nepotism and blessing sandy keeping his son involved despite him hindering the search for a team president/gm.
there is no way on the planet Cohen is allowing anyone to promote their kid in his organization at the expense of the team and organization.
or you think Cohen is pro-nepotism and blessing sandy keeping his son involved despite him hindering the search for a team president/gm.
there is no way on the planet Cohen is allowing anyone to promote their kid in his organization at the expense of the team and organization.
Nope. I don't think Cohen is in the "war room" when it comes to most moves and I believe Cohen (for whatever the reason) loves Sandy Alderson (was beyond quick to bring him on) so of course he's going to be comfortable with his son still on board.
it would entirely depend on the contract I signed and the people involved I was dealing with. The 3 known candidates they went after indicate it's a non-issue because all 3 would have required 100% complete control and 2 almost definitely would have required record setting ownership equity for a front office member. That doesn't jive with "but you also have to keep bryn alderson around even if you think he's a fuck up".
Sandy as an employee of the Mets running this search made official comments on this and specifically said autonomy was a non-issue. If the candidates they are interviewing won't have autonomy that public statement is a lie either with or without Cohen's blessing and neither seems plausible.
or the guy who has almost 20 years of a variety of scouting roles his resume (presumably making the exact risky choice with low pay and shitty travel you've described in this thread)?
both could be screw ups. neither could be screw ups. we don't know and it doesn't really matter.
Both have generational wealth and are working for pride/fun anyway... there is no risk in the equation for them.
In your 20s and married with a kid and a mortgage and no rich parents? Harder to go after a gig in pro sports than other paths..
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wouldn't feel kind of funny taking a job that was previously held by a guy who is still there in an "unknown" capacity (and has stated he does want a "seat at the table"), this guys son is assistant GM, and another your assistant GM's worked for the old guy for a decade? You wouldn't think "hmmm, it could potentially be an issue when we are debating moves and the room isn't full of people I picked and 2 of which are father in son"? Absolutely zero potential reservations at all, nobody could ever think about such a thing?
it would entirely depend on the contract I signed and the people involved I was dealing with. The 3 known candidates they went after indicate it's a non-issue because all 3 would have required 100% complete control and 2 almost definitely would have required record setting ownership equity for a front office member. That doesn't jive with "but you also have to keep bryn alderson around even if you think he's a fuck up".
Sandy as an employee of the Mets running this search made official comments on this and specifically said autonomy was a non-issue. If the candidates they are interviewing won't have autonomy that public statement is a lie either with or without Cohen's blessing and neither seems plausible.
You keep harping on this idea Bryn Alderson is a Jeff Wilpon 2.0, why can't it be a less than ideal situation to have the old boss, his son and a 10 year employee as 3/5, or 50% of your likely FO? Why must it be so nefarious?
Any and all concerns any candidate has (Alderson family or otherwise) are fair game when they or their agents talk to Cohen and that is where the responsibility is on Cohen to do whatever it takes to land the right guy - including clean house of the aldersons if that's what it takes. It is ultimately his decision, his franchise, his money, his investment to grow.
If nothing else Sandy's comment today is an acknowledgment that they know autonomy is crucial. Which he's also indicated several times before since returning. I've yet to see anything that makes me think these lightly sourced speculation is anything more than clickbait designed to elicit clicks/shares from the very many met fans who don't like Sandy at the moment. mission accomplished I suppose.
Any and all concerns any candidate has (Alderson family or otherwise) are fair game when they or their agents talk to Cohen and that is where the responsibility is on Cohen to do whatever it takes to land the right guy - including clean house of the aldersons if that's what it takes. It is ultimately his decision, his franchise, his money, his investment to grow.
If nothing else Sandy's comment today is an acknowledgment that they know autonomy is crucial. Which he's also indicated several times before since returning. I've yet to see anything that makes me think these lightly sourced speculation is anything more than clickbait designed to elicit clicks/shares from the very many met fans who don't like Sandy at the moment. mission accomplished I suppose.
Eric,
Sandy was asked the autonomy question. I'm really unclear why you're so hung up on his statement as if provided real clarity. He was asked about it and he said it would be a non-issue. The alternative would have been "no comment".
Will he want to come though? He's in a high position already, well compensated and working 10 minutes from where he grew up and his childhood home.
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Will he want to come though? He's in a high position already, well compensated and working 10 minutes from where he grew up and his childhood home.
Scott Harris would be a home run (on paper) but as you noted, he's from SF, is already a GM and has very little experience at that level so you're bringing him in to be the POBO and learn on the job. Doesn't mean it can't be done but 2 seasons as GM, 1 season as an assistant GM... straight to running an entire organization (remember he's had Farhan Zaidi as his boss, so this would be a major step up to "the guy".
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