HOUSTON (AP) — Baseball’s ninth work stoppage and first in 26 years appears almost certain to start Dec. 2, freezing the free-agent market and threatening the start of spring training in February.
Negotiations have been taking place since last spring, and each side thinks the other has not made proposals that will lead toward an agreement replacing the five-year contract that expires at 11:59 p.m. EST on Dec. 1.
The luxury tax system that started with the 2003 season sunsets with the expiration of the labor contract, with the exception of completing accounting and payments for the 2021 tax year. Uncertainty over the 2022 season probably will cause high-spending clubs to delay reaching pricier player agreements.
Free agents can start signing with any team on the sixth day following the World Series, and this year’s group includes Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Freddie Freeman, Trevor Story, Max Scherzer, Marcus Semien, Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, Michael Conforto and Kevin Gausman.
in Harris would also imply the idea they aren't looking for a POBO would be inaccurate. Harris would not even be allowed to speak to the Mets with the Giants permission, I find it unbelievably unlikely they would let their GM speak to the Mets unless it were because the Mets were interested in giving him a promotion (POBO).
Jack Ramsey
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Scott Harris’ main career work has come under two great decision makers: Theo Epstein and Farhan Zaidi. You’d hope his experience there would allow for him to be able to learn the position well. Not to mention, he’s attended Columbia, UCLA, and North Western.
Joe DeMayo
@PSLToFlushing
If the #Mets are speaking to people like Scott Harris (#Giants GM), it is an indication to me at least that they are still intent on landing a President of Baseball Operations and then presumably a GM under that person.
A Harris/Bendix type combo would be insane and would owe Sandy and Cohen a big time apology.
It's of course possible Harris would pick somebody like Bendix as his GM but I find it unlikely. They haven't worked together (2 different leagues no less) and Harris likely would hire somebody with more experience (ex GM etc) than Bendix. Harris is 34, Bendix 36. It's possible of course but seems more like just taking 2 well regarded names and throwing them together. Matt Arnold and Bendix actually worked together in TB (for example).
A Harris/Bendix type combo would be insane and would owe Sandy and Cohen a big time apology.
It's of course possible Harris would pick somebody like Bendix as his GM but I find it unlikely. They haven't worked together (2 different leagues no less) and Harris likely would hire somebody with more experience (ex GM etc) than Bendix. Harris is 34, Bendix 36. It's possible of course but seems more like just taking 2 well regarded names and throwing them together. Matt Arnold and Bendix actually worked together in TB (for example).
Agreed and that's also why I mentioned type there. Someone up and coming like Bendix who Harris has worked with already possibly.
and being open minded about whether the person is a fit for POBO or GM only helps - it's just a title either way.
it wouldn't have made much difference last year if they called Porter POBO and Scott GM and things were probably heading in that direction sooner rather than later if the team had a more successful season.
just get the person they feel best about. if that is Bendix or someone else who just so happens to not have enough experience to be POBO then hire him as GM with full autonomy to do all the stuff he knows how to do and let Sandy keep some of the other stuff off his plate until he's ready.
Four years at that $17.5 million salary would mean a $70 million deal for Conforto — more in line with what Ozuna received last winter. Yes, it’s a big step back from what I theorized he could get in the spring. It would still also be enough to justify rejecting the qualifying offer and testing the open market.
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All of this is a long way of saying that this range — a four-year deal around $18 million to $20 million per season — seems like it could be the sweet spot for Stroman. None of these pitchers are perfect analogues, but they collectively share enough of Stroman’s qualities to give us an idea of how the market values them. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Stroman’s market grow above that, too, if multiple teams place extra emphasis on his durability.
(he'd previously done Baez and came to 5 years $125m)
imo all 3 would be fair contracts and I'd probably make more of a case the Mets should do them than not. but it obviously depends on their new vision, new leadership, and first hand experiences with all 3. Ideally they'd maybe even get lucky with 1 of them (Conforto?) willing to take a 1 year deal to rebuild value to try to get a bigger deal next year? Ozuna did that once before signing his longer term deal.
these are the types of comments where Seidler clowns himself (imo)
Jarrett Seidler
@jaseidler
the Cohen era so far:
- numerous sexual harassment issues
- tried very hard to sign Bauer
- org culture is a flaming dumpster
- failed to sign first-round pick w/major pool and FA ramifications
- collapsed and missed playoffs by a mile
- whiffed for a year straight on top execs
Let's take these 1 at a time.
1. Was there any sexual harassment incident that doesn't predate Cohen actually running the team as the majority owner? Porter's incident was in 2016 and he was fired within like 24 hours of it becoming public.
2. Yes they did. As did the reining WS champs and league poster children LAD. And he played for 3 other teams before that. Yes he's a toxic jerk and in hindsight they dodged a bullet but he hadn't been accused of anything criminal. I'm glad he didn't end up a NYM but I'm also glad our owner is willing to invest to try to make the team better. 1 more top of the rotation pitcher was the difference in the season.
3. 1 of 2 semi-sentient points.
4. owners shouldn't have any role in draft selection beyond writing the checks.
5. they had the 2nd highest payroll in baseball and were about 10 games over .500 for the first 4 months of the season. the team didn't collapse because ownership refused to invest.
6. ok, they whiffed on Theo/Beane and got denied on Stearns again. is the preference to not go for top targets and immediately settle for lesser candidates? Maybe we should see who they end up with before declaring that they completely whiffed? Porter wasn't considered a whiff last year.
In fact my memory is that Seidler was pretty positive on the Porter hire however I had a hard time fact checking myself because he appears to have deleted all his comments referencing Porter last year from when he was hired. I guess being positive about someone Cohen hired and turned out to do some prior sexual harassin wouldn't fit either of his narratives?
Four years at that $17.5 million salary would mean a $70 million deal for Conforto — more in line with what Ozuna received last winter. Yes, it’s a big step back from what I theorized he could get in the spring. It would still also be enough to justify rejecting the qualifying offer and testing the open market.
Stroman
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All of this is a long way of saying that this range — a four-year deal around $18 million to $20 million per season — seems like it could be the sweet spot for Stroman. None of these pitchers are perfect analogues, but they collectively share enough of Stroman’s qualities to give us an idea of how the market values them. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Stroman’s market grow above that, too, if multiple teams place extra emphasis on his durability.
(he'd previously done Baez and came to 5 years $125m)
imo all 3 would be fair contracts and I'd probably make more of a case the Mets should do them than not. but it obviously depends on their new vision, new leadership, and first hand experiences with all 3. Ideally they'd maybe even get lucky with 1 of them (Conforto?) willing to take a 1 year deal to rebuild value to try to get a bigger deal next year? Ozuna did that once before signing his longer term deal.
Seems low on Stroman TBH. 4 years isn't "great" for any pitcher but the salary is very low risk (as low risk as any SP can be). I've seen most people projecting Stroman to get roughly what Wheeler got. 5 for 120ish. That looks more realistic to me. Generally speaking, 1 extra year than you'd wanna go is what gets these done. No clue on Baez, his value/market seems all over the place. Reportedly asked for 200, I could see him getting years over AAV or vice versa and neither would surprise me.
Michael Mayer @mikemayer22
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Update: Giants GM Scott Harris has told the Mets he’s not joining their organization.
He talked to the Mets about their front office opening last week.
I read that like he interviewed last week then took himself out? Weird phrasing with the "told the mets he's not joining their organization" because that kind of implies he was offered a role.
going to argue against his resume but Sabean feels like a potential disaster. Was told that the Sabean stuff is completely from his side (why aren't/haven't teams been interested the past 3 off-seasons?) and more importantly Sabean+ Sandy seems like a Mets-centric potential disaster. You need 2 of these guys? Older statesmen that aren't exactly the current model of what teams are doing? I could see that become a circus.
Arnold/Bendix combo is the best case scenario to me.
going to argue against his resume but Sabean feels like a potential disaster. Was told that the Sabean stuff is completely from his side (why aren't/haven't teams been interested the past 3 off-seasons?) and more importantly Sabean+ Sandy seems like a Mets-centric potential disaster. You need 2 of these guys? Older statesmen that aren't exactly the current model of what teams are doing? I could see that become a circus.
Arnold/Bendix combo is the best case scenario to me.
I have 0 interest in Sabean or Melvin or any retread POBO. I'd rather Sandy and a good young GM than a retreat POBO. I'd feel a lot more confident the guy trying to get himself out of the job is more willing to keep his ego out of things than the guys constantly running to reporters to get themselves into consideration and stay relevant.
I said, I find the ageism stuff tedious but the league pretty clearly moving in a clear direction that (again not age) but guys who haven't been part of this.. would seemingly be behind the 8 ball. 1 single head of a team was in his 50's during the playoffs this year (Cashman) and the WS winning GM will either be 44 or 43. A guy like Gomes, or Harris or Bendix could be completely awful but these are the types leading the best organizations in baseball in 2021.
said the position was in fact POBO (the Giants likely weren't going to let him interview for a linear job, and for him that wouldn't have made sense either).
didn't "interview" per se, he "declined to be considered a candidate".
looks like he was born in redwood city and went to ucla. maybe he likes being back in CA?
Impressive how meteoric his rise to GM has been. He graduated in 2009 and had a coordinator title for 2 years (presumably entry level). Theo grabbed him and 7 years later he's a GM.
I said, I find the ageism stuff tedious but the league pretty clearly moving in a clear direction that (again not age) but guys who haven't been part of this.. would seemingly be behind the 8 ball. 1 single head of a team was in his 50's during the playoffs this year (Cashman) and the WS winning GM will either be 44 or 43. A guy like Gomes, or Harris or Bendix could be completely awful but these are the types leading the best organizations in baseball in 2021.
As a fan of an organization completely turned around by Lou Lamoriello over the last 3 years I'm the opposite of ageist. I more just don't see any upside over what's already in the building with Sandy. Those guys couldn't rebuild the front offices of their old teams as they were transitioning out.
Essentially have Byrnes as the GM without the title which allows them to keep Gomes (reportedly will be named GM, haven’t had one since 2019). Very smart
but surely he’s not doing all the work there right? Identify the #2-5 people in their org structure and give them all better titles and 2.5X salary. Tampa is a cheap organization and won’t be able to outbid. Ask the new guys who the talented lower level people are in Tampa and raid them with more raises and promotions.
I’m ranting here but I’d like to see Cohen get more aggressive here. No one should be able to compete with our resources, so I hope he’s willing to go all-in here.
was one such case but he’s staying put. Metsnut as for multiple guys, the Rays would have to give permission for more than one to leave during one off-season.
The fucking NY sports media and how things are covered here is our biggest obstacle.
I truly believe quality people just don't want the hassle and will take less to avoid it.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
I think there's some reality to this but it's beyond just the media. It's that any of the guys in discussion will instantly go from an almost unknown person to being "famous" over night.
whoever gets hired is going to be pushed into the spotlight and there can be good and bad that come along with that. if they fail it won't be fun.
or they can stick with their current comfortable situations and just keep doing their thing behind the scenes and still get paid very well, not have to move their families, etc.
at the end of the day money talks and there's no excuse to not get someone good. but I do think in terms of personality type it's more likely to be an appealing job to someone with charisma like Porter last year. he was good with the media. BVW was great with the media too he just lacked...just about every other relevant skill. But I don't think a lot of these guys who have been behind the scenes grinding statcast numbers and launch angles are particularly enthused about becoming celebrities overnight and having to dedicate such a big chunk of their job to dealing with the media and PR. that's where Sandy needs to be willing to step up and shelter the right candidate if that's the area they are worried about.
not being snarky but you really expect a candidate to say "I'm concerned about..." when Thad Levine and Josh Byrnes turned down the Phillies last year they cited how much they loved their current organizations. We will likely never hear Beane/Theo's rationale but I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, neither one would ever say "I don't like Cohen" or "I don't like the fact the Alderson's are there". Nobody is ever going to do that, even somebody completely established. Matt Arnold takes an interview with the Mets, feels the FO situation is complicated, he's not going to ever say that, ever.
Just spitballing here but maybe, just maybe, we should wait to see who they hire then judge the results?
That will not only be a publicly known fact but there will likely be a press conference and everything.
Or we get our panties in a knot now because of something "some in the game have pointed out".
Of course whomever they hire will kiss Sandy/Cohen's ass. Again, when is somebody hired that doesn't do that? This idea Sandy would be a major "help" hiring a big fish has been proven false. Whether that's his "fault" or not is another story. A Matt Arnold type would be a great hire, if they hire him it won't be because Sandy Alderson was appealing and was able to sell Arnold on Steve Cohen after 12 months of knowing the man.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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The Mets' top candidate for president of baseball operations at the moment appears to be Brewers general manager Matt Arnold. There has been contact, and I'm hearing the Mets may have made him an offer.
read. Arnold would be POBO, presumably he'd bring in a GM as well. I was hoping for Arnold/Bendix, but Arnold/Rodriguez would work too Link - ( New Window )
Matt Arnold
Senior Vice President and General Manager
Matt Arnold, 42, enters his sixth season with the Brewers and third as senior vice president. He was named the 10th general manager in franchise history on November 19, 2020. He originally joined the organization as vice president and assistant general manager on October 14, 2015.
Arnold assists President of Baseball Operations David Stearns with day-to-day baseball processes and provides functional oversight of all departments within baseball operations. His areas of focus include Major League operations, roster construction, financial planning, staffing and personnel development, contract negotiations and player personnel decisions. He also helps supervise player development, medical operations, integrative sports performance, foreign and domestic scouting and analytics.
Prior to joining the Brewers, Arnold spent nine seasons with the Tampa Bay Rays, assisting then Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations Andrew Friedman and President of Baseball Operations Matt Silverman with player acquisitions, contract negotiations and player evaluations at all levels. His responsibilities also included strategic planning, foreign and domestic special assignments and coordinating advance scouting for the postseason. Additionally, he worked to develop the process of integrating science, biomechanics and human movement analysis within all levels of baseball operations.
Arnold transitioned from the Cincinnati Reds front office to Tampa Bay following the 2006 season as a professional scout. He was promoted to director of professional scouting in November 2009 and to director of player personnel in June 2015. During his time in Tampa Bay, the team won over 90 games in five of six seasons from 2008 and 2013 and qualified for the postseason four times (2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013), including the franchise's first World Series appearance in 2008.
Arnold, who has 20 seasons of professional baseball experience, has also served roles with the Los Angeles Dodgers (2000), Texas Rangers (2002) and Cincinnati Reds (2003-06). In Cincinnati, Arnold served as assistant director of professional scouting with his duties including player analysis, financial planning and arbitration, and he was also involved in advance, amateur and professional scouting.
Originally from California, Arnold graduated from the University of California-Santa Barbara with a bachelor's degree in economics in 2001. He merited academic honors, including Sport Management Student of the Year as a junior.
read. Arnold would be POBO, presumably he'd bring in a GM as well. I was hoping for Arnold/Bendix, but Arnold/Rodriguez would work too Link - ( New Window )
Nice read.
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Arnold once said that his father told him Arnold knew so much about baseball that he’d make a great cab driver someday.
Rodriguez, who may or may not be a GM candidate if they hire Arnold
Carlos Rodriguez
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
Rodriguez, who may or may not be a GM candidate if they hire Arnold
Carlos Rodriguez
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
"There is some thought if Arnold takes the Mets job he will look to hire somebody working in the Rays’ front office as the general manager to work with him." -Puma
(With Peter Bendix reportedly not interested (though does that change post-Arnold?) Carlos Rodriguez remains an interesting name
Of course whomever they hire will kiss Sandy/Cohen's ass. Again, when is somebody hired that doesn't do that? This idea Sandy would be a major "help" hiring a big fish has been proven false. Whether that's his "fault" or not is another story. A Matt Arnold type would be a great hire, if they hire him it won't be because Sandy Alderson was appealing and was able to sell Arnold on Steve Cohen after 12 months of knowing the man.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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The Mets' top candidate for president of baseball operations at the moment appears to be Brewers general manager Matt Arnold. There has been contact, and I'm hearing the Mets may have made him an offer.
if this ends up being the hire I agree it's unlikely Sandy had any sort of meaningful direct relationship.
however if you think it's a good hire, doesn't it show that Sandy ran a good search and made a good choice (with the search ultimately unfolding a lot like last year)? I'd be surprised if Cohen knows Arnold from a hole in the wall.
you believe reports, Sandy was not involved in any of the previous interviews so while I don't want to go back and forth on this topic, it feels like Sandy was far less involved in the search than was being reported. He (for instance) didn't meet with Scott Harris). Cohen did, directly.
Negotiations have been taking place since last spring, and each side thinks the other has not made proposals that will lead toward an agreement replacing the five-year contract that expires at 11:59 p.m. EST on Dec. 1.
The luxury tax system that started with the 2003 season sunsets with the expiration of the labor contract, with the exception of completing accounting and payments for the 2021 tax year. Uncertainty over the 2022 season probably will cause high-spending clubs to delay reaching pricier player agreements.
Free agents can start signing with any team on the sixth day following the World Series, and this year’s group includes Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Freddie Freeman, Trevor Story, Max Scherzer, Marcus Semien, Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, Michael Conforto and Kevin Gausman.
@mikemayer22
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Sources: The Mets have talked to Giants GM Scott Harris about joining their front office.
As he's GM of the Giants, I find it hard to believe this would be for anything less than POBO.
@jackwramsey
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Scott Harris’ main career work has come under two great decision makers: Theo Epstein and Farhan Zaidi. You’d hope his experience there would allow for him to be able to learn the position well. Not to mention, he’s attended Columbia, UCLA, and North Western.
@PSLToFlushing
If the #Mets are speaking to people like Scott Harris (#Giants GM), it is an indication to me at least that they are still intent on landing a President of Baseball Operations and then presumably a GM under that person.
It's of course possible Harris would pick somebody like Bendix as his GM but I find it unlikely. They haven't worked together (2 different leagues no less) and Harris likely would hire somebody with more experience (ex GM etc) than Bendix. Harris is 34, Bendix 36. It's possible of course but seems more like just taking 2 well regarded names and throwing them together. Matt Arnold and Bendix actually worked together in TB (for example).
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A Harris/Bendix type combo would be insane and would owe Sandy and Cohen a big time apology.
It's of course possible Harris would pick somebody like Bendix as his GM but I find it unlikely. They haven't worked together (2 different leagues no less) and Harris likely would hire somebody with more experience (ex GM etc) than Bendix. Harris is 34, Bendix 36. It's possible of course but seems more like just taking 2 well regarded names and throwing them together. Matt Arnold and Bendix actually worked together in TB (for example).
Agreed and that's also why I mentioned type there. Someone up and coming like Bendix who Harris has worked with already possibly.
it wouldn't have made much difference last year if they called Porter POBO and Scott GM and things were probably heading in that direction sooner rather than later if the team had a more successful season.
just get the person they feel best about. if that is Bendix or someone else who just so happens to not have enough experience to be POBO then hire him as GM with full autonomy to do all the stuff he knows how to do and let Sandy keep some of the other stuff off his plate until he's ready.
Conforto
Stroman
(he'd previously done Baez and came to 5 years $125m)
imo all 3 would be fair contracts and I'd probably make more of a case the Mets should do them than not. but it obviously depends on their new vision, new leadership, and first hand experiences with all 3. Ideally they'd maybe even get lucky with 1 of them (Conforto?) willing to take a 1 year deal to rebuild value to try to get a bigger deal next year? Ozuna did that once before signing his longer term deal.
@jaseidler
the Cohen era so far:
- numerous sexual harassment issues
- tried very hard to sign Bauer
- org culture is a flaming dumpster
- failed to sign first-round pick w/major pool and FA ramifications
- collapsed and missed playoffs by a mile
- whiffed for a year straight on top execs
Let's take these 1 at a time.
1. Was there any sexual harassment incident that doesn't predate Cohen actually running the team as the majority owner? Porter's incident was in 2016 and he was fired within like 24 hours of it becoming public.
2. Yes they did. As did the reining WS champs and league poster children LAD. And he played for 3 other teams before that. Yes he's a toxic jerk and in hindsight they dodged a bullet but he hadn't been accused of anything criminal. I'm glad he didn't end up a NYM but I'm also glad our owner is willing to invest to try to make the team better. 1 more top of the rotation pitcher was the difference in the season.
3. 1 of 2 semi-sentient points.
4. owners shouldn't have any role in draft selection beyond writing the checks.
5. they had the 2nd highest payroll in baseball and were about 10 games over .500 for the first 4 months of the season. the team didn't collapse because ownership refused to invest.
6. ok, they whiffed on Theo/Beane and got denied on Stearns again. is the preference to not go for top targets and immediately settle for lesser candidates? Maybe we should see who they end up with before declaring that they completely whiffed? Porter wasn't considered a whiff last year.
In fact my memory is that Seidler was pretty positive on the Porter hire however I had a hard time fact checking myself because he appears to have deleted all his comments referencing Porter last year from when he was hired. I guess being positive about someone Cohen hired and turned out to do some prior sexual harassin wouldn't fit either of his narratives?
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Four years at that $17.5 million salary would mean a $70 million deal for Conforto — more in line with what Ozuna received last winter. Yes, it’s a big step back from what I theorized he could get in the spring. It would still also be enough to justify rejecting the qualifying offer and testing the open market.
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All of this is a long way of saying that this range — a four-year deal around $18 million to $20 million per season — seems like it could be the sweet spot for Stroman. None of these pitchers are perfect analogues, but they collectively share enough of Stroman’s qualities to give us an idea of how the market values them. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Stroman’s market grow above that, too, if multiple teams place extra emphasis on his durability.
(he'd previously done Baez and came to 5 years $125m)
imo all 3 would be fair contracts and I'd probably make more of a case the Mets should do them than not. but it obviously depends on their new vision, new leadership, and first hand experiences with all 3. Ideally they'd maybe even get lucky with 1 of them (Conforto?) willing to take a 1 year deal to rebuild value to try to get a bigger deal next year? Ozuna did that once before signing his longer term deal.
Seems low on Stroman TBH. 4 years isn't "great" for any pitcher but the salary is very low risk (as low risk as any SP can be). I've seen most people projecting Stroman to get roughly what Wheeler got. 5 for 120ish. That looks more realistic to me. Generally speaking, 1 extra year than you'd wanna go is what gets these done. No clue on Baez, his value/market seems all over the place. Reportedly asked for 200, I could see him getting years over AAV or vice versa and neither would surprise me.
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Harris turns down the Mets per Mayer
turned down the job or an interview?
Unclear if a job was actually offered. They spoke and he said he wasn't interested
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Update: Giants GM Scott Harris has told the Mets he’s not joining their organization.
He talked to the Mets about their front office opening last week.
I read that like he interviewed last week then took himself out? Weird phrasing with the "told the mets he's not joining their organization" because that kind of implies he was offered a role.
Arnold/Bendix combo is the best case scenario to me.
Arnold/Bendix combo is the best case scenario to me.
I have 0 interest in Sabean or Melvin or any retread POBO. I'd rather Sandy and a good young GM than a retreat POBO. I'd feel a lot more confident the guy trying to get himself out of the job is more willing to keep his ego out of things than the guys constantly running to reporters to get themselves into consideration and stay relevant.
looks like he was born in redwood city and went to ucla. maybe he likes being back in CA?
Impressive how meteoric his rise to GM has been. He graduated in 2009 and had a coordinator title for 2 years (presumably entry level). Theo grabbed him and 7 years later he's a GM.
As a fan of an organization completely turned around by Lou Lamoriello over the last 3 years I'm the opposite of ageist. I more just don't see any upside over what's already in the building with Sandy. Those guys couldn't rebuild the front offices of their old teams as they were transitioning out.
I’m ranting here but I’d like to see Cohen get more aggressive here. No one should be able to compete with our resources, so I hope he’s willing to go all-in here.
The fucking NY sports media and how things are covered here is our biggest obstacle.
I truly believe quality people just don't want the hassle and will take less to avoid it.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
The fucking NY sports media and how things are covered here is our biggest obstacle.
I truly believe quality people just don't want the hassle and will take less to avoid it.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
I think there's some reality to this but it's beyond just the media. It's that any of the guys in discussion will instantly go from an almost unknown person to being "famous" over night.
whoever gets hired is going to be pushed into the spotlight and there can be good and bad that come along with that. if they fail it won't be fun.
or they can stick with their current comfortable situations and just keep doing their thing behind the scenes and still get paid very well, not have to move their families, etc.
at the end of the day money talks and there's no excuse to not get someone good. but I do think in terms of personality type it's more likely to be an appealing job to someone with charisma like Porter last year. he was good with the media. BVW was great with the media too he just lacked...just about every other relevant skill. But I don't think a lot of these guys who have been behind the scenes grinding statcast numbers and launch angles are particularly enthused about becoming celebrities overnight and having to dedicate such a big chunk of their job to dealing with the media and PR. that's where Sandy needs to be willing to step up and shelter the right candidate if that's the area they are worried about.
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Jeremy Hefner is returning as pitching coach for 2022, the Mets announced.
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not being snarky but you really expect a candidate to say "I'm concerned about..." when Thad Levine and Josh Byrnes turned down the Phillies last year they cited how much they loved their current organizations. We will likely never hear Beane/Theo's rationale but I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt, neither one would ever say "I don't like Cohen" or "I don't like the fact the Alderson's are there". Nobody is ever going to do that, even somebody completely established. Matt Arnold takes an interview with the Mets, feels the FO situation is complicated, he's not going to ever say that, ever.
Just spitballing here but maybe, just maybe, we should wait to see who they hire then judge the results?
That will not only be a publicly known fact but there will likely be a press conference and everything.
Or we get our panties in a knot now because of something "some in the game have pointed out".
Of course whomever they hire will kiss Sandy/Cohen's ass. Again, when is somebody hired that doesn't do that? This idea Sandy would be a major "help" hiring a big fish has been proven false. Whether that's his "fault" or not is another story. A Matt Arnold type would be a great hire, if they hire him it won't be because Sandy Alderson was appealing and was able to sell Arnold on Steve Cohen after 12 months of knowing the man.
Mike Puma
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The Mets' top candidate for president of baseball operations at the moment appears to be Brewers general manager Matt Arnold. There has been contact, and I'm hearing the Mets may have made him an offer.
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Senior Vice President and General Manager
Matt Arnold, 42, enters his sixth season with the Brewers and third as senior vice president. He was named the 10th general manager in franchise history on November 19, 2020. He originally joined the organization as vice president and assistant general manager on October 14, 2015.
Arnold assists President of Baseball Operations David Stearns with day-to-day baseball processes and provides functional oversight of all departments within baseball operations. His areas of focus include Major League operations, roster construction, financial planning, staffing and personnel development, contract negotiations and player personnel decisions. He also helps supervise player development, medical operations, integrative sports performance, foreign and domestic scouting and analytics.
Prior to joining the Brewers, Arnold spent nine seasons with the Tampa Bay Rays, assisting then Executive Vice President of Baseball Operations Andrew Friedman and President of Baseball Operations Matt Silverman with player acquisitions, contract negotiations and player evaluations at all levels. His responsibilities also included strategic planning, foreign and domestic special assignments and coordinating advance scouting for the postseason. Additionally, he worked to develop the process of integrating science, biomechanics and human movement analysis within all levels of baseball operations.
Arnold transitioned from the Cincinnati Reds front office to Tampa Bay following the 2006 season as a professional scout. He was promoted to director of professional scouting in November 2009 and to director of player personnel in June 2015. During his time in Tampa Bay, the team won over 90 games in five of six seasons from 2008 and 2013 and qualified for the postseason four times (2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013), including the franchise's first World Series appearance in 2008.
Arnold, who has 20 seasons of professional baseball experience, has also served roles with the Los Angeles Dodgers (2000), Texas Rangers (2002) and Cincinnati Reds (2003-06). In Cincinnati, Arnold served as assistant director of professional scouting with his duties including player analysis, financial planning and arbitration, and he was also involved in advance, amateur and professional scouting.
Originally from California, Arnold graduated from the University of California-Santa Barbara with a bachelor's degree in economics in 2001. He merited academic honors, including Sport Management Student of the Year as a junior.
Nice read.
Carlos Rodriguez
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
If this is who they hire huge mea culpa from me.
Carlos Rodriguez
VICE PRESIDENT, PLAYER DEVELOPMENT AND INTERNATIONAL SCOUTING
Carlos Rodriguez enters his 11th season with the Rays and his second as vice president of player development and international scouting. In this role, Rodriguez reports to Erik Neander and assists in all areas of baseball operations, while overseeing the club’s player development system, baseball performance science, international scouting and academy operations. From 2015 through 2019, Rodriguez served as director of international scouting, following three years as director of Latin American scouting (2012-14). During this stretch, he played a key role in scouting and signing José Alvarado, Vidal Bruján, Diego Castillo, Yonny Chirinos, Wander Franco, Moisés Gómez, Ronaldo Hernández and Jesús Sánchez, among others. Rodriguez joined the Rays in the fall of 2010 as a professional and international scout after four seasons with the Blue Jays as an area scout. In 2009, he signed Yan Gomes from Barry University, the first Brazilian-born player to reach the major leagues. Rodriguez also spent a season as an intern for the Brewers. A native of Puerto Rico, Rodriguez attended the University of North Florida where he played and served as an assistant coach. He graduated in 2004 with a degree in business, double majoring in international business and economics. He and his wife, Omayra, reside in Tampa with their daughter, Eva Marie.
"There is some thought if Arnold takes the Mets job he will look to hire somebody working in the Rays’ front office as the general manager to work with him." -Puma
(With Peter Bendix reportedly not interested (though does that change post-Arnold?) Carlos Rodriguez remains an interesting name
Of course whomever they hire will kiss Sandy/Cohen's ass. Again, when is somebody hired that doesn't do that? This idea Sandy would be a major "help" hiring a big fish has been proven false. Whether that's his "fault" or not is another story. A Matt Arnold type would be a great hire, if they hire him it won't be because Sandy Alderson was appealing and was able to sell Arnold on Steve Cohen after 12 months of knowing the man.
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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The Mets' top candidate for president of baseball operations at the moment appears to be Brewers general manager Matt Arnold. There has been contact, and I'm hearing the Mets may have made him an offer.
if this ends up being the hire I agree it's unlikely Sandy had any sort of meaningful direct relationship.
however if you think it's a good hire, doesn't it show that Sandy ran a good search and made a good choice (with the search ultimately unfolding a lot like last year)? I'd be surprised if Cohen knows Arnold from a hole in the wall.