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BillyM : 10/18/2021 11:27 am
In hindsight, coach really got caught in the fire storm that has been many years of terrible football and franchise building.

Facts are, he was the best coach the Giants have had in nearly 7 years. For one, he's the only coach to take his team to the playoffs after Coughlin.

Second, he had multiple players overachieving on his watch. OBJ? Never the same after Mcadoo. Landon Collins, never the same.

Sure his, team had some defensive pieces, but he worked very well with Eli as well. Speeding up his delivery, gaining a more efficient approach given the lack of o line. Would have been interesting to see what he did with Jones.

Oh, and side bar, he was the guy in the room who wanted Mahomes badly. Funny how the grass always seems greener until you actually get a close look at the "other grass." Facts are, right now, Joe Judge is all talk and no action. He stinks.

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TC  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 2:22 pm : link
took a fucking expansion team to a championship game set a HOFer(s) in Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson out to pasture ; came to NY and beat the goat up in Foxboro @x at the show .... and we're talkng about Big suit now who is OC or something ...are you fucking serious with this?
RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15419425 gidiefor said:
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He was hard headed and tone deaf


And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.
McAdoo was hired to coach a 3-step drop because the O line  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2021 2:56 pm : link
wasn't able to hold long enough for a 5-step drop. Once here, he realized that Eli was totally immobile and the Giants needed to make a change. He took a chance on Geno Smith. If Smith hadn't fumbled in the SF game, Giants would have won, Eli would never have played again and McAdoo would not have been fired. Did I like McAdoo? He didn't strike me as someone who could command a locker room and I was not sorry that he lost his job. Shurmur did what he could with a lousy O line and until the O line gets fixed, this team will continue to lose.
RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:16 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.

McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.
RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:20 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.

Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.
McAdoo was the one “outsider” this franchise had..  
Sean : 10/18/2021 3:21 pm : link
He tried to do something uncomfortable and got absolutely slammed for it. It has been nothing but yes men since.
RE: TC  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15419857 Debaser said:
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took a fucking expansion team to a championship game set a HOFer(s) in Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson out to pasture ; came to NY and beat the goat up in Foxboro @x at the show .... and we're talkng about Big suit now who is OC or something ...are you fucking serious with this?

You're still here?
McAdoo...  
bw in dc : 10/18/2021 3:23 pm : link
was the fall guy for Mara's mishandling of with Eli in Geno-Gate. He was one of the few who saw Eli's decline and knew it was time to find another solution.

He may not have been the right hire, but had the front office listened to McAdoo, and cut ties with Eli sooner, we might be in a much different and better situation at QB.

RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:25 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.


Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.
THis bullshit with Eli again  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 3:26 pm : link
Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.
RE: THis bullshit with Eli again  
bw in dc : 10/18/2021 3:29 pm : link
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Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.


Is this directed at me?

If so, you are tangled up and making dubious assumptions...
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:31 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.

See above about tampons in a twist.
Getting so mad over the most meaningless 3 years ago stuff, lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 3:31 pm : link
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Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:35 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


See above about tampons in a twist.


Right, because there's no point left for you to make because you're a fool.

Call me a cheerleader all you want. At least it's in reference to people who actually matter for this franchise.

You are on a thread propping up Ben McAdoo lol. Who is the idiot here?
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:36 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.

Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.
just for the sake of accuracy  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 3:38 pm : link
McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2021 3:40 pm : link
Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:41 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.


Yes, we know. Because you're very smart! You're so smart you're arguing the case for Ben McAdoo.

You're like those guys from the old Guinness commercials. Brilliant!
Look mcadoo was good at some things  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 3:52 pm : link
He was a good clock manager and he won several games with clock management that the giants lost in like the final minutes of a game the year before. But overall he was terrible especially by year 2
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 4:02 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.



Yes, we know. Because you're very smart! You're so smart you're arguing the case for Ben McAdoo.

You're like those guys from the old Guinness commercials. Brilliant!

This is a cute way for you to avoid doing any sort of analysis while you have your Eli action figure positioned in a way that makes in uncomfortable for you to sit.

But let's give it a spin. Do some work. Or STFU.
RE: just for the sake of accuracy  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15420019 Greg from LI said:
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McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.


Well that went pretty well!
McAdoo was a horrible coach...  
EricJ : 10/18/2021 4:32 pm : link
and it was a very poor hire with Mara's finger prints all over it.

I remember we were playing the Packers and prior to the game, they interviewed Rodgers and asked him about McAdoo. Rodgers said " he is a funny guy".

The only positive regarding McAdoo is that he wanted to draft Mahommes.

Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.
RE: McAdoo was a horrible coach...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 4:44 pm : link
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Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.


He was QB coach for jacksonville last season, and is a "consultant" for Dallas.

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BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:02 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.


One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!



It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.

Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!



No one pounding the Mcadoo drum. Simply noting that all that matters is W's. That's it. He had more in one rookie year than almost all the years thereafter. Judge is all talk.
RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:04 pm : link
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Geno Smith was an upgrade showed he didnt have the true eye on QB play.


Wrong. Mcadoo was the only guy in the room ready and willing to move on from Eli. And it was the right move. Now, starting Geno was a joke. But overall, it was time. We ended up extending the time a few years and missed out on massive QB talents. Massive
wow  
BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:05 pm : link
that escalated quickly! in anchorman voice
Typical conventional wisdom for NYG fans  
Bear vs Shark : 10/18/2021 5:07 pm : link
Reese apparently was awful, even though he had far more success than Gettleman ever has. McAdoo was the worst coach ever, even though he had far more success than Shurmur and Judge.

newsflash: Just because Reese and McAdoo were bad at the end, doesn't mean you need to tell yourself they were worse than what we have now to placate yourself about the current situation.
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GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 5:16 pm : link
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Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.


Outside of Dak coming back? Lol
McAdoo was the Jags QB coach  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 5:19 pm : link
And was told not to come back after the year. The reason he got a job as a consultant because McCarthy threw him a bone. But it’s sad when the Jags don’t even want you.
fuck McAdoo  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:22 pm : link
he took a team that could have won playoff games and turned it into a one dimensional one and done mess. And then it got worse in 2017.

That 2016 was loaded with talent and the 2015 offense, with virtually the same personnel, scored 427 pts. The 2016 team scored barely over 300. I shudder to think what that team was capable of if COughlin coached it. The last time Coughln had a team that was remotely talented was 2011-2012. 20 wins. 14-15 teams were comically thin on defense and the offense was basically Eli and Beckham and pray for rain, yet they scored pts. I wonder why.
sorry 18 wins (2011-2012)  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:22 pm : link
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the 2016 NYG defense  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:24 pm : link
was flat out loaded. GREAT edge players in JPP/Vernon. Great DTs. Great secondary. Ok Linebackers. Easy schedule. McAdoo did nothing for that team. NOTHING. I don't wanna hear it.
MacAdoo was awful as a HC  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/18/2021 5:27 pm : link
and just as bad as a OC. He had moderate success as OC because Coughlin was his HC. He was a complete failure and lost the team within about 18 months of being hired. Worst coach in my lifetime as a fan IMO… and I was alive for Handley.
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EricJ : 10/18/2021 5:31 pm : link
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Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.



He was QB coach for jacksonville last season, and is a "consultant" for Dallas.


So Jax did not want him getting his hands on the top QB in the draft... and now is getting paid to do something other than coach.
RE: RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 5:34 pm : link
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Wrong. Mcadoo was the only guy in the room ready and willing to move on from Eli. And it was the right move. Now, starting Geno was a joke. But overall, it was time. We ended up extending the time a few years and missed out on massive QB talents. Massive


What "massive" QB talents did we miss out on? The 2 best out of the 2018 class were Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and the Giants weren't taking either of them even if Mickey Mouse was our QB.

And maybe McAdoo was the first one to point out that Eli was on the decline, but it was a fair question as to whether it was Eli's decline or McAdoo's shitty offense. McAdoo certainly wasn't going to blame that.

When I saw Eli play his first games in Pat Shurmur's offense, I knew he was done. For all of his faults, Shurmur is a good offensive coach, and seeing Eli immediately going to his checkdown was all I needed to see. But you wouldn't know that from McAdoo's offense, because the checkdown might have been the primary.
RE: Typical conventional wisdom for NYG fans  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/18/2021 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15420171 Bear vs Shark said:
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Reese apparently was awful, even though he had far more success than Gettleman ever has. McAdoo was the worst coach ever, even though he had far more success than Shurmur and Judge.

newsflash: Just because Reese and McAdoo were bad at the end, doesn't mean you need to tell yourself they were worse than what we have now to placate yourself about the current situation.


Reese was a fantastic scout, but not a good GM. After he hired Ross and phased himself out as the head of scouting, the team’s talent level gradually declined to where it was at the end of his tenure.

MacAdoo was the beneficiary of a massive defensive spending spree and a proven commodity at DC. His offense sucked (an obvious step back from Coughlin’s) and he completely lost the team in year two. He was a failure in every way. I would take Shurmur over him any day as OC or HC.
You people…  
Chris in Philly : 10/18/2021 5:35 pm : link
are utterly exhausting.
RE: fuck McAdoo  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 5:36 pm : link
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he took a team that could have won playoff games and turned it into a one dimensional one and done mess. And then it got worse in 2017.

That 2016 was loaded with talent and the 2015 offense, with virtually the same personnel, scored 427 pts. The 2016 team scored barely over 300. I shudder to think what that team was capable of if COughlin coached it. The last time Coughln had a team that was remotely talented was 2011-2012. 20 wins. 14-15 teams were comically thin on defense and the offense was basically Eli and Beckham and pray for rain, yet they scored pts. I wonder why.


That is a big "what if", no doubt. TC with that improved defense? Would have been fun to watch.
RE: the 2016 NYG defense  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 5:39 pm : link
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was flat out loaded. GREAT edge players in JPP/Vernon. Great DTs. Great secondary. Ok Linebackers. Easy schedule. McAdoo did nothing for that team. NOTHING. I don't wanna hear it.

Roll that 2016 defensive roster against the roster we have on defense right now and tell me they were any more loaded than what we're trotting out this year.

That 2016 defense played lights out, no question about it. But if we're just looking at brand names on the roster, this defense should have been just as good. The spending spree isn't always a guarantee of success.
Again underselling how much pass rush matters to a secondary  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 5:54 pm : link
Bad pass rush makes good players look bad. No one can cover for 4, 5, 6 seconds with a QB dancing around.

This defense needed Williams to play like he did last season to have a chance, without even mentioning that Bradberry hasn't played like a top 5 corner.
RE: Again underselling how much pass rush matters to a secondary  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 6:00 pm : link
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Bad pass rush makes good players look bad. No one can cover for 4, 5, 6 seconds with a QB dancing around.

This defense needed Williams to play like he did last season to have a chance, without even mentioning that Bradberry hasn't played like a top 5 corner.

This roster is paying each of those players to do exactly that.
RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 6:09 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.


First of all, readng comprehension, try it.

I said he’s never been hired as a COACH since. All of the others you named, have. Well, I mean sans Coughlin. Who is fucking ridiculous to even mention.

But please, go on about how he was somehow misjudged. Or whatever 🙄
RE: just for the sake of accuracy  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15420019 Greg from LI said:
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McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.


I stand corrected. What a stellar resume he’s had since being fired.
RE: RE: the 2016 NYG defense  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15420221 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Roll that 2016 defensive roster against the roster we have on defense right now and tell me they were any more loaded than what we're trotting out this year.

That 2016 defense played lights out, no question about it. But if we're just looking at brand names on the roster, this defense should have been just as good. The spending spree isn't always a guarantee of success.


Really? I don’t think it’s that close actually. JPP and OV were far batter than anyone on the edge now, and I’d take Jenkins and DRC over Bradberry and Jackson (although Eli Apple does bring that group down a bit). While maybe not as good as Williams or Dex, Snacks and Hankins were really good inside. Collins over McKinney and don’t even get me started on LB’s.
RE: RE: THis bullshit with Eli again  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15419990 bw in dc said:
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Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.



Is this directed at me?

If so, you are tangled up and making dubious assumptions...


Am I? Bellichek probably looked at a stat sheet and decided Brady was in decline ; drafted a garapolulo and ended up watching Brady win another SB on tv. This whole idea that geno smith gave you what Eli gave you as a back up after one game is bs. Proves nothing especially considering he lost just the same. The same argument could be made for Russ Wilson then
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2021 7:12 pm : link
He was a horrible coach that we hired because we were terrified the Eagles were going to tab him as their HC.

A horrible hire is on brand for this organization of late. Hell, I'm even souring on JJ.
RE: .....  
JOrthman : 10/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15420026 BrettNYG10 said:
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Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.


Dak coming back had nothing to do with that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15420243 bwitz said:
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In comment 15419889 bwitz said:


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In comment 15419425 gidiefor said:


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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.



First of all, readng comprehension, try it.

I said he’s never been hired as a COACH since. All of the others you named, have. Well, I mean sans Coughlin. Who is fucking ridiculous to even mention.

But please, go on about how he was somehow misjudged. Or whatever 🙄

Please let me know when Gilbride was hired.

And when you're done with that, please also let me know what your previous handle was.
Hey guys  
Grizz99 : 10/20/2021 6:28 pm : link
Dont waste time or energy on The Gatorade Punk. Now he"s going with his infamous ^ you had another handle plot.
There's lots of posters I dislike here and one that I think is "ill".
Followed me for months, filling every thread with the proposition that I was a Cowboy fan.
A sniper, never starts a thread, never positively contributes. meaningful dialogue impossible. ...Personalizes, denigrates...ignore, move on,...deny him the attention he seeks
Hey...  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2021 10:54 pm : link
It’s Mr. Perfect Storm.
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