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Ben Mcadoo

BillyM : 10/18/2021 11:27 am
In hindsight, coach really got caught in the fire storm that has been many years of terrible football and franchise building.

Facts are, he was the best coach the Giants have had in nearly 7 years. For one, he's the only coach to take his team to the playoffs after Coughlin.

Second, he had multiple players overachieving on his watch. OBJ? Never the same after Mcadoo. Landon Collins, never the same.

Sure his, team had some defensive pieces, but he worked very well with Eli as well. Speeding up his delivery, gaining a more efficient approach given the lack of o line. Would have been interesting to see what he did with Jones.

Oh, and side bar, he was the guy in the room who wanted Mahomes badly. Funny how the grass always seems greener until you actually get a close look at the "other grass." Facts are, right now, Joe Judge is all talk and no action. He stinks.

Careful, you can’t say that around here.  
Sean : 10/18/2021 11:28 am : link
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You must be related  
HomerJones45 : 10/18/2021 11:30 am : link
you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He did have a winning season  
jeff57 : 10/18/2021 11:32 am : link
Not an easy task these days.

I was just surprised he at least didn't coach the full season in 2017.
So are we now to the point where every coach ....  
bluewave : 10/18/2021 11:34 am : link
has 2 years to prove himself and then we're done? Freaking ridiculous!
He ended Eli's streak and started Gino Smith.  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/18/2021 11:35 am : link
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Must be Ben’s cousin  
Four Aces : 10/18/2021 11:36 am : link
A coach has to be a leader first and not lose his players.
Ben wasn’t a leader of men.
that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/18/2021 11:37 am : link
He was hard headed and tone deaf
Ben McAdoo  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 11:38 am : link
knew one thing:

How to put 3 receivers and one tight end for EVERY FORMATION and EVERY PLAY.
HJ45 on target  
JonC : 10/18/2021 11:39 am : link
Nice try, Ben! Get a job!
can't say the guy couldn't learn from the past though..  
BillKo : 10/18/2021 11:43 am : link
..after showing up in a debacle of a suit, the next year he did the cool slick back hair.

Progress.
I've wondered how things might have been if we kept Shumur. Jones  
Blue21 : 10/18/2021 11:44 am : link
lit it up throwing multiple 3 and 4 TD games even setting rookie records. Yes Jones had the fumbles but he has improved on that (although last game was a scene from the past). But this offense they are running now certainly isn't getting the results Jones had his rookie year. The big problem was our defense was terrible. Maybe a new DC was all they needed because certainly up to this point we still don't have answers just more talk.
Hey coach McAdoo  
mfsd : 10/18/2021 11:45 am : link
nice gorilla suit jackass
uh, no. he was just another bad hire.  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2021 11:48 am : link
JFC the stupid never stops here.
I'd take him in a second over Garrett.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 11:51 am : link
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Like all coaches, Mcadoo had positives and negatives.  
Tom in NY : 10/18/2021 11:56 am : link
As the OP pointed out, his skills as working with QBs are well known.

However, his communication skills with the team and media were lacking AND he lied to the owner. You can't tell John Mara we're going to "work Geno Smith in" and then start him, ending Eli's consecutive game streak. That's why he was fired the next morning.

BM is probably going to rise to an OC level again in this league, but he's not going to be a HC again.
yes he was the last coach  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 11:56 am : link
to actually have good game management, and control the turnover battle, and get the team outperforming.

we have too many fanboys sad because he benched eli (unclear why this makes people angry trying to evaluate the team was the RIGHT thing to do in 2017). these people would rather pretend 2016 didnt happen.
have said this for years... 2016 happened, it was acutally a great season to watch, close hard fought games, a great defense, explosive plays on offense, and good coaching.

anyhow... who the fk cares its 2021 and we still suck because we decided to fix the 2017 eli situation by putting more pieces around an old shell of eli to make that last run!!!! great job guys!!!!
Eli would still be an upgrade  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 11:58 am : link
over Daniel Jones...lol

Anyone who gives props to anything McAdoo should be consider a fanboy.
Your points about McAdoo helping Eli  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 11:59 am : link
are correct, he did improve Eli's footwork early in his time when he was OC. Otherwise his tenure was problematic. He struggled early as OC, and I suspect TC forced him to make changes, more motion, more deep passes, because once he became HC, his offenses went back to all 21 personnel packages with no motion, and almost everything geared to getting Odell open on a slant.

His offense was a poor man's Mike McCarthy. Maybe I'd bring him back as a QB coach, but nothing more than that. His offenses after TC was fired were brutally bad.
his offense  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 12:05 pm : link
was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.


RE: his offense  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15419494 hitdog42 said:
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.



Our offenses ranked in 2016

Points: 26th
Yards: 25th

Those offense were built to win? Seems like the defense bailed out the offense time and time again which McAdoo had NOTHING to do with. If we didnt have the 2nd best defense in the NFL that year, its a 3-4 win team. McAdoo had very little to do with the success of that team.
Ben McAdoo? Lol  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 12:10 pm : link
When will we be putting him in the ring of honor?

The guy was a joke.

He's really done a lot since the Giants let go of him.
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hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 12:11 pm : link
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.





Our offenses ranked in 2016

Points: 26th
Yards: 25th

Those offense were built to win? Seems like the defense bailed out the offense time and time again which McAdoo had NOTHING to do with. If we didnt have the 2nd best defense in the NFL that year, its a 3-4 win team. McAdoo had very little to do with the success of that team.


you are a great example of having no clue on what won games.
game management, clock management, winning close games--- those things are on the head coach.
i am sorry that it makes you sad.
RE: You must be related  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15419406 HomerJones45 said:
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.

He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
His game management was the best of the last three  
ron mexico : 10/18/2021 12:14 pm : link
Have to give him that.

Other than that, not a guy I'd particularly want to hitch my wagon to.

No it doesnt make me sad  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 12:14 pm : link
putting an offense that ranks in the lower 3rd in football and saying its built to win games is nonsense. Our offense was reliant on one player breaking big plays. McAdoo had nothing to do with the defense in 2016. In fact, its the reason why Spags was plucked quickly from the ranks.

McAdoo changed the entire offense in 2016 and it didnt work. He stuck with one personnel for 91% of our plays and defenses quickyl figured him out. He didnt go out and spend the money in the offseason. Reese did. And when the breaks didnt go out way and Beckham got hurt in 2017 - we just were a pathetic football team.

So you can give him credit for the small things and say he did a great job. The fact of the matter is what he coached and in charged of was an utter disaster in his 2 years as HC.

So no that doesnt make me sad, its reality whcih you dont want to see.
RE: RE: You must be related  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 12:17 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.


Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.
He was a heavy handed man of integrity!  
trueblueinpw : 10/18/2021 12:27 pm : link
Knew the importance of protecting the Duke too! I’m sure your brother will work his way back into the ranks of the NFL head coaches. Hopefully with the Iggles or WFT.
Ben's happy  
ghost718 : 10/18/2021 12:27 pm : link
Pretty soon it will be Handley and Judge,as opposed to Handley and DooDoo.
I think McAdoo was a brutal hire  
cosmicj : 10/18/2021 12:28 pm : link
And a much worse one than Shurmur and Judge.

BUT - and this is pointing to the precipice the 2021 Giants face — even in McAdoo’s disastrous 2017, the Giants did not suffer two losses as lopsided as the last two games. This 2021 is objectively worse than 2017’s so far.
they had a great record one year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2021 12:32 pm : link
they basically won all of their close games. All the breaks went their way - which made him look better than he was. That doesn't happen consistently in the NFL. Ben was a one-trick pony.

As dim as things look right now, I would much rather have Judge be the coach _ even with the growth he needs to do - than Ben McAdoo.
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Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 12:33 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.

One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!
Fat imbecile  
Nitro : 10/18/2021 12:34 pm : link
was a zero from Day 1 in that clown-fitted suit.
good result  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 12:43 pm : link
HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT
IT WAS LUCKY

bad result
IT WAS ALL HIM
HE SUCKED

truth
when OC our offense was good
when HC, he has the 1 good season since 2012.

in terms of forward looking at challenging a bit the thing that peopel now clamor to fight (THE MARA INFLUENCE)
he did it in 2017- and it was the right decision to evaluate to move forward.

but instead, fanboys like the ones whining on here and that chime in when we win 1 out of every 4 games ... they got upset and we made sure to PROVE THEM ALL WRONG in 2018.

i could give 2 sh$ts about mcadoo, but ill call a spade a spade and he was the last guy to lead the team to a better record then expected and win close games, play hardnosed defense, and play giants football. yes 2016 and 2017 can both exist and be acknowledged.
RE: You must be related  
DannyDimes : 10/18/2021 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15419406 HomerJones45 said:
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


F Ben McAdoodo
....  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2021 12:54 pm : link
i will say, McAdoo's greatest strength as a coach was gameplan and game management.

Can't speak highly of the fact that most of the players thought he was ultimately a joke and didn't respect him. But...yeah, he knew how to control a game.
he sucked  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 12:55 pm : link
Oh and "he wanted Mahomes" ... what was he a 6th round draft pick or something. I am sure a lot of people did....
When someone calls other posters fanboys  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 12:56 pm : link
then defends mcadoos offense as it was built to win games, it is kind of hard to take it seriously.

Let me guess his philosophy: Dont score, dont gain yards, and let the defense win the game. And the offensive game plan was to run slants to OBJ and have him take them to the house.

Defending McAdoo is an IQ test that many Giants fan get right on how abysmal he was. But there are a few who credit him for the defense's great year (which he had nothing to do with).

The people who defend McAdoo for benching Eli for Geno Smith, usually fail that test too.
RE: ....  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15419623 ryanmkeane said:
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i will say, McAdoo's greatest strength as a coach was gameplan and game management.

Can't speak highly of the fact that most of the players thought he was ultimately a joke and didn't respect him. But...yeah, he knew how to control a game.


His offensive game plans were awful. 26th and 31st in points his two years as HC. Why in the world should he get credit for that?
...  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2021 12:57 pm : link
McAdoo knew going into the game what he had to do to win it. That's why the 2016 team won 11 games.

Judge has not been successful at adjusting to what the other team is doing.

Perfect example is the Washington game. Once Judge saw that our defense wasn't playing well, he should have been going for the points whenever he could. He didn't, and it is why we lost the game basically.
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HomerJones45 : 10/18/2021 12:57 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Yes I am sure that was it. No doubt it's been mentioned at every one of Ben's interviews for head coaching positions. Imbecile.
Gnew  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2021 12:58 pm : link
did you watch the 2016 Giants team? McAdoo was a huge reason why that team made the playoffs. He coached very well that year. Stop acting like he didn't. He did.
RE: his offense  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:00 pm : link
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.



He designed an offense not to score points? Come on dog, you're better than this. His offense was a one-note, 11 personnel with no motion or bunch sets. When your wides are on the small side, not putting them in motion to get a free release is simply mismanagement
RE: Gnew  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 1:03 pm : link
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did you watch the 2016 Giants team? McAdoo was a huge reason why that team made the playoffs. He coached very well that year. Stop acting like he didn't. He did.


Sorry I am not going to give a man credit for throwing a terrible offense out there and relying on the defense to win the game. If OBJ did not play in 2016, its a 4 win team max.

Managing a game is easier when the defense bails you out.

25th in PPG
26th in YPG
30th in rushing yards per game
We had a negative turnover rate
29th in Time of Possession

That was his baby. That is what he was in charge of. That is incompetency to the fullest extent. And the sad thing is... that was the better year of the 2.
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Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15419515 Gatorade Dunk said:
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.


Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.
RE: RE: You must be related  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15419515 Gatorade Dunk said:
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.


Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.
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hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 1:05 pm : link
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.





He designed an offense not to score points? Come on dog, you're better than this. His offense was a one-note, 11 personnel with no motion or bunch sets. When your wides are on the small side, not putting them in motion to get a free release is simply mismanagement


they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?
RE: Gnew  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15419636 ryanmkeane said:
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did you watch the 2016 Giants team? McAdoo was a huge reason why that team made the playoffs. He coached very well that year. Stop acting like he didn't. He did.


I'll agree that he managed games well, he was pretty good with clock management and TO's. But he benefited from a D playing out of its mind.

But he was the de facto OC, and he did an awful job of it, not just in production, but in design. He stole Mike McCarthy's playbook but ripped out any plays with the least bit of creativity.
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GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 1:08 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?


Or a terrible design system where they ran one formation 91% of the time. What was so different about the offense in 2015 than 2016 were you claimed they had a good offense? Only difference was they got rid of Randle and got back Cruz.
the head coach  
hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 1:09 pm : link
is in charge of wins and losses, clock management, and getting the most out of the team.

you are judged by wins and losses. if you are a defensive head coach, and win games with your offense... you did your job... visa versa, in particular if its a lot of close games.
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Chris684 : 10/18/2021 1:11 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.


One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!


It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.

Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!
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hitdog42 : 10/18/2021 1:11 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?



Or a terrible design system where they ran one formation 91% of the time. What was so different about the offense in 2015 than 2016 were you claimed they had a good offense? Only difference was they got rid of Randle and got back Cruz.


ummmm they wanted to win... so they invested in the defense, and tried to win close games... instead of mismanage the clock and play sh$t defense and lose them?
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Section331 : 10/18/2021 1:13 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?


They had one of the most explosive players in the league. It was virtually the same roster that scored 420 points the prior year. He rode a defense playing out of its mind, and I will acknowledge that he did show prowess at clock management and time outs. But he was the de facto OC, and his O was awful. That wasn't his plan, be serious.
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GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 1:16 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?



Or a terrible design system where they ran one formation 91% of the time. What was so different about the offense in 2015 than 2016 were you claimed they had a good offense? Only difference was they got rid of Randle and got back Cruz.



ummmm they wanted to win... so they invested in the defense, and tried to win close games... instead of mismanage the clock and play sh$t defense and lose them?


So youre saying McAdoo intentionally did worse in 2016 oin offense so the defense could bail them out?

He was given a top 2 defense which means more chances to gain yards and score points and they failed. You want to give credit to McAdoo for the defense being unreal. Go for it. But theres a reason why he is unemployed in the coaching ranks. He was terrible at his job. When he was HC - the offense got WORSE since he took full control of it. ANd if you think Coughlin played no role in the offense as HC, then you dont know Coughlins effect.

Its absolutely hysterical we are sitting here giving credit for McAdoo putting out a shit product as head coach. He was charge of the offense and it was an epic failure.
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GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 1:18 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?



They had one of the most explosive players in the league. It was virtually the same roster that scored 420 points the prior year. He rode a defense playing out of its mind, and I will acknowledge that he did show prowess at clock management and time outs. But he was the de facto OC, and his O was awful. That wasn't his plan, be serious.


Perfectly stated. Saying that our offense was built to win games even though it ranked as a top 5 worst unit in the league is just silly and probably closer to being a "fanboy".
And the fact that McAdoo thought  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 1:21 pm : link
Geno Smith was an upgrade showed he didnt have the true eye on QB play.
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Chris684 : 10/18/2021 1:21 pm : link
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they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?



Or a terrible design system where they ran one formation 91% of the time. What was so different about the offense in 2015 than 2016 were you claimed they had a good offense? Only difference was they got rid of Randle and got back Cruz.



ummmm they wanted to win... so they invested in the defense, and tried to win close games... instead of mismanage the clock and play sh$t defense and lose them?



So youre saying McAdoo intentionally did worse in 2016 oin offense so the defense could bail them out?

He was given a top 2 defense which means more chances to gain yards and score points and they failed. You want to give credit to McAdoo for the defense being unreal. Go for it. But theres a reason why he is unemployed in the coaching ranks. He was terrible at his job. When he was HC - the offense got WORSE since he took full control of it. ANd if you think Coughlin played no role in the offense as HC, then you dont know Coughlins effect.

Its absolutely hysterical we are sitting here giving credit for McAdoo putting out a shit product as head coach. He was charge of the offense and it was an epic failure.


I know, I must be in the twilight zone. It's not bad enough the team sucks, we have clowns talking up this terrible coach.

Giants fans get scolded here for reminiscing about the TC/Eli days when Super Bowls were being won.

Apparently it is ok to wish for the Ben McAdoo era again!
McAdoo was the coach the last time  
Mike from Ohio : 10/18/2021 1:22 pm : link
you could sit down to watch a Giants game without knowing the outcome ahead of time. There is something to that. That is a bar that neither Shurmur nor Judge has hit.

McAdoo does not have another job coaching in the NFL, so the league was not impressed with the job he did. What he did only looks impressive to Giants fans because the bar has been set so ridiculously low.
RE: yes he was the last coach  
Toth029 : 10/18/2021 1:24 pm : link
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to actually have good game management, and control the turnover battle, and get the team outperforming.

we have too many fanboys sad because he benched eli (unclear why this makes people angry trying to evaluate the team was the RIGHT thing to do in 2017). these people would rather pretend 2016 didnt happen.
have said this for years... 2016 happened, it was acutally a great season to watch, close hard fought games, a great defense, explosive plays on offense, and good coaching.

anyhow... who the fk cares its 2021 and we still suck because we decided to fix the 2017 eli situation by putting more pieces around an old shell of eli to make that last run!!!! great job guys!!!!


The problem is and was Mara. Who isn't going anywhere.

And McAdoo sucked. His teams didn't overachieve. Spags took them to that playoff game.
RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15419708 GNewGiants said:
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Geno Smith was an upgrade showed he didnt have the true eye on QB play.

I don't think Geno was the downgrade that most fans want to suggest.

Show me what was worse about Geno's performance in that game vs. any single game of Eli's that season.

McAdoo's point was clear, and proven to anyone with a brain: Eli is finished, and even a journeyman like Geno Smith can equal his production.

And he was right.
RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 1:49 pm : link
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.

Tom Coughlin is one of the greatest coaches in this franchise's history. Who has hired him as a coach since he was fired?

I guess we should consider that TC was a bum?

Obviously that's not accurate, but it's effectively the case you're trying to make.
RE: RE: You must be related  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 1:50 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.



F Ben McAdoodo

F DannyDimes.

Beat it, troll.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2021 1:51 pm : link
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.


Tom Coughlin is one of the greatest coaches in this franchise's history. Who has hired him as a coach since he was fired?

I guess we should consider that TC was a bum?

Obviously that's not accurate, but it's effectively the case you're trying to make.


he was 70. And he was hired, but as President of Football Operations, which was foolish, since TC the GM basically cost TC the coach his job in JAX.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 1:53 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.


One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!



It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.

Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!

It's remarkable that you can even type posts with your Eli action figure in your mouth, dripping on your keyboard.

The idea that you think you possess even a shred of credibility is cute.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 1:58 pm : link
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.


Tom Coughlin is one of the greatest coaches in this franchise's history. Who has hired him as a coach since he was fired?

I guess we should consider that TC was a bum?

Obviously that's not accurate, but it's effectively the case you're trying to make.



he was 70. And he was hired, but as President of Football Operations, which was foolish, since TC the GM basically cost TC the coach his job in JAX.

That's a completely fair point. But he was initially trying to pursue HC opportunities and found no takers. Jacksonville saw a marketing opportunity and chased it, but obviously that didn't go especially well either.

Speaking of which, maybe TC had some input into Reese's personnel decisions and that was reflected in TC's own personnel decisions with Jax?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 2:02 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.


One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!



It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.

Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!


It's remarkable that you can even type posts with your Eli action figure in your mouth, dripping on your keyboard.

The idea that you think you possess even a shred of credibility is cute.


Credibility with who? You? Lol.

You're criticizing my fandom of Eli Manning while you prop up Ben McAdoo and I lack credibility? Ok then!

I'll take the 2 Super Bowls. You can have the 1 playoff season with ultimate drubbing at the hands of Green Bay and overall 2 seasons of losing combined.
RE: RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 2:03 pm : link
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Geno Smith was an upgrade showed he didnt have the true eye on QB play.


I don't think Geno was the downgrade that most fans want to suggest.

Show me what was worse about Geno's performance in that game vs. any single game of Eli's that season.

McAdoo's point was clear, and proven to anyone with a brain: Eli is finished, and even a journeyman like Geno Smith can equal his production.

And he was right.


See I will strongly disagree the notion that Geno was the best option to start. It was Webb because we needed to see what we had in him. Smith is/was what he always is - a below average guy who was turnover prone. He had two fumbles - one inside the Raiders 5. He was never going to be the next guy on the list.

Webb at least was a rookie and could have gotten some game action. There wasnt a thing Geno did or didnt do that put him above or below Eli as far as performance wise.

But did anyone truly believe that Geno Smith was going to upstart the offense and become a better team?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Victor in CT : 10/18/2021 2:07 pm : link
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.


Tom Coughlin is one of the greatest coaches in this franchise's history. Who has hired him as a coach since he was fired?

I guess we should consider that TC was a bum?

Obviously that's not accurate, but it's effectively the case you're trying to make.



he was 70. And he was hired, but as President of Football Operations, which was foolish, since TC the GM basically cost TC the coach his job in JAX.


That's a completely fair point. But he was initially trying to pursue HC opportunities and found no takers. Jacksonville saw a marketing opportunity and chased it, but obviously that didn't go especially well either.

Speaking of which, maybe TC had some input into Reese's personnel decisions and that was reflected in TC's own personnel decisions with Jax?


to the first part, who wants a 70 yr old HC to start a rebuild? Not me. I wasn't surprised he didn't get a HC job.

to the second, I don't know. Under GY, the roles were clearly defined. I don't know if that was wearing down under Reese/Coughlin.
Our offense stunk in 2016  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2021 2:08 pm : link
if Odell wasn't taking slants to the house we weren't doing much. The defense overachieved year 1 of the big FA class, then it fell to shit. I don't think McAdoo had much to do with going to the playoffs, looked/felt like much more of a coincidence.
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Section331 : 10/18/2021 2:11 pm : link
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He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.


Tom Coughlin is one of the greatest coaches in this franchise's history. Who has hired him as a coach since he was fired?

I guess we should consider that TC was a bum?

Obviously that's not accurate, but it's effectively the case you're trying to make.


You can't be serious. Tom was 70 years old, and in case you don't recall, was hired as Pres of Ops for Jacksonville.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 2:14 pm : link
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Speaking of which, maybe TC had some input into Reese's personnel decisions and that was reflected in TC's own personnel decisions with Jax?


I totally agree with this. Many of the same posters who gave TC credit for better talent acquisition after he was hired still blamed Reese when the level of talent dropped off. Either he had a say in the room or he didn't.
TC  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 2:22 pm : link
took a fucking expansion team to a championship game set a HOFer(s) in Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson out to pasture ; came to NY and beat the goat up in Foxboro @x at the show .... and we're talkng about Big suit now who is OC or something ...are you fucking serious with this?
RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 2:41 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf


And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.
McAdoo was hired to coach a 3-step drop because the O line  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2021 2:56 pm : link
wasn't able to hold long enough for a 5-step drop. Once here, he realized that Eli was totally immobile and the Giants needed to make a change. He took a chance on Geno Smith. If Smith hadn't fumbled in the SF game, Giants would have won, Eli would never have played again and McAdoo would not have been fired. Did I like McAdoo? He didn't strike me as someone who could command a locker room and I was not sorry that he lost his job. Shurmur did what he could with a lousy O line and until the O line gets fixed, this team will continue to lose.
RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:16 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.

McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.
RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:20 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.

Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.
McAdoo was the one “outsider” this franchise had..  
Sean : 10/18/2021 3:21 pm : link
He tried to do something uncomfortable and got absolutely slammed for it. It has been nothing but yes men since.
RE: TC  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:21 pm : link
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took a fucking expansion team to a championship game set a HOFer(s) in Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson out to pasture ; came to NY and beat the goat up in Foxboro @x at the show .... and we're talkng about Big suit now who is OC or something ...are you fucking serious with this?

You're still here?
McAdoo...  
bw in dc : 10/18/2021 3:23 pm : link
was the fall guy for Mara's mishandling of with Eli in Geno-Gate. He was one of the few who saw Eli's decline and knew it was time to find another solution.

He may not have been the right hire, but had the front office listened to McAdoo, and cut ties with Eli sooner, we might be in a much different and better situation at QB.

RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:25 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.


Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.
THis bullshit with Eli again  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 3:26 pm : link
Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.
RE: THis bullshit with Eli again  
bw in dc : 10/18/2021 3:29 pm : link
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Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.


Is this directed at me?

If so, you are tangled up and making dubious assumptions...
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:31 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.

See above about tampons in a twist.
Getting so mad over the most meaningless 3 years ago stuff, lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 3:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:35 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


See above about tampons in a twist.


Right, because there's no point left for you to make because you're a fool.

Call me a cheerleader all you want. At least it's in reference to people who actually matter for this franchise.

You are on a thread propping up Ben McAdoo lol. Who is the idiot here?
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 3:36 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.

Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.
just for the sake of accuracy  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 3:38 pm : link
McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/18/2021 3:40 pm : link
Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Chris684 : 10/18/2021 3:41 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.


Yes, we know. Because you're very smart! You're so smart you're arguing the case for Ben McAdoo.

You're like those guys from the old Guinness commercials. Brilliant!
Look mcadoo was good at some things  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 3:52 pm : link
He was a good clock manager and he won several games with clock management that the giants lost in like the final minutes of a game the year before. But overall he was terrible especially by year 2
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 4:02 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


McAdoo's legacy is smeared because of Giants fans who got their tampons in a twist when Eli benched himself and blamed it on Ben while John Mara was at the owners' meeting.

He was imperfect in so many ways, but he's still the best coach we've had since Coughlin's prime, and he was better than Coughlin's descent years.



Wait, what?

His legacy, which without the Eli benching, amounts to what exactly? A one-year playoff wonder (got their asses handed to them by the way) with a stacked defense after a spending spree, followed by an encore on par with the sinking of the Titanic?

That's some legacy!

McAdoo isn't a shit stain on Coughlin's underwear. Shurmur was a shitty coach too but at least Shurmur wasn't a dickhead with a new haircut who thought he was hot shit.

Ben McAdoo. Lol. I definitely didn't think I'd be reading stuff like this on here today.


Have no NFL teams reached the playoffs after a FA spend? Have those coaches somehow been burdened by that spend?

Let me help you answer, because I don't trust your intelligence to sort this out: several NFL teams have benefited over the years from a free agency spree like the Giants had in 2016, and the coach and front office deserve credit for that.

Sometimes, teams go on a spending spree and still turn out to be shitty. And the coach and front office deserve blame for that.

Do you want to perform the comparison in spend between 2016 and 2021, or should I?

It's probably going to fall onto me to do it, because I don't get the sense that you can handle the math.



Yes, we know. Because you're very smart! You're so smart you're arguing the case for Ben McAdoo.

You're like those guys from the old Guinness commercials. Brilliant!

This is a cute way for you to avoid doing any sort of analysis while you have your Eli action figure positioned in a way that makes in uncomfortable for you to sit.

But let's give it a spin. Do some work. Or STFU.
RE: just for the sake of accuracy  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15420019 Greg from LI said:
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McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.


Well that went pretty well!
McAdoo was a horrible coach...  
EricJ : 10/18/2021 4:32 pm : link
and it was a very poor hire with Mara's finger prints all over it.

I remember we were playing the Packers and prior to the game, they interviewed Rodgers and asked him about McAdoo. Rodgers said " he is a funny guy".

The only positive regarding McAdoo is that he wanted to draft Mahommes.

Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.
RE: McAdoo was a horrible coach...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15420122 EricJ said:
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Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.


He was QB coach for jacksonville last season, and is a "consultant" for Dallas.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You must be related  
BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:02 pm : link
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.

He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.


He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.

He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.



Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.


One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!



It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.

Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!



No one pounding the Mcadoo drum. Simply noting that all that matters is W's. That's it. He had more in one rookie year than almost all the years thereafter. Judge is all talk.
RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15419708 GNewGiants said:
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Geno Smith was an upgrade showed he didnt have the true eye on QB play.


Wrong. Mcadoo was the only guy in the room ready and willing to move on from Eli. And it was the right move. Now, starting Geno was a joke. But overall, it was time. We ended up extending the time a few years and missed out on massive QB talents. Massive
wow  
BillyM : 10/18/2021 5:05 pm : link
that escalated quickly! in anchorman voice
Typical conventional wisdom for NYG fans  
Bear vs Shark : 10/18/2021 5:07 pm : link
Reese apparently was awful, even though he had far more success than Gettleman ever has. McAdoo was the worst coach ever, even though he had far more success than Shurmur and Judge.

newsflash: Just because Reese and McAdoo were bad at the end, doesn't mean you need to tell yourself they were worse than what we have now to placate yourself about the current situation.
RE: .....  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15420026 BrettNYG10 said:
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Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.


Outside of Dak coming back? Lol
McAdoo was the Jags QB coach  
GNewGiants : 10/18/2021 5:19 pm : link
And was told not to come back after the year. The reason he got a job as a consultant because McCarthy threw him a bone. But it’s sad when the Jags don’t even want you.
fuck McAdoo  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:22 pm : link
he took a team that could have won playoff games and turned it into a one dimensional one and done mess. And then it got worse in 2017.

That 2016 was loaded with talent and the 2015 offense, with virtually the same personnel, scored 427 pts. The 2016 team scored barely over 300. I shudder to think what that team was capable of if COughlin coached it. The last time Coughln had a team that was remotely talented was 2011-2012. 20 wins. 14-15 teams were comically thin on defense and the offense was basically Eli and Beckham and pray for rain, yet they scored pts. I wonder why.
sorry 18 wins (2011-2012)  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:22 pm : link
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the 2016 NYG defense  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:24 pm : link
was flat out loaded. GREAT edge players in JPP/Vernon. Great DTs. Great secondary. Ok Linebackers. Easy schedule. McAdoo did nothing for that team. NOTHING. I don't wanna hear it.
MacAdoo was awful as a HC  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/18/2021 5:27 pm : link
and just as bad as a OC. He had moderate success as OC because Coughlin was his HC. He was a complete failure and lost the team within about 18 months of being hired. Worst coach in my lifetime as a fan IMO… and I was alive for Handley.
RE: RE: McAdoo was a horrible coach...  
EricJ : 10/18/2021 5:31 pm : link
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Meanwhile, Ben is not coaching anywhere in the league right now. Not even as an assistant.



He was QB coach for jacksonville last season, and is a "consultant" for Dallas.


So Jax did not want him getting his hands on the top QB in the draft... and now is getting paid to do something other than coach.
RE: RE: And the fact that McAdoo thought  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 5:34 pm : link
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Wrong. Mcadoo was the only guy in the room ready and willing to move on from Eli. And it was the right move. Now, starting Geno was a joke. But overall, it was time. We ended up extending the time a few years and missed out on massive QB talents. Massive


What "massive" QB talents did we miss out on? The 2 best out of the 2018 class were Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and the Giants weren't taking either of them even if Mickey Mouse was our QB.

And maybe McAdoo was the first one to point out that Eli was on the decline, but it was a fair question as to whether it was Eli's decline or McAdoo's shitty offense. McAdoo certainly wasn't going to blame that.

When I saw Eli play his first games in Pat Shurmur's offense, I knew he was done. For all of his faults, Shurmur is a good offensive coach, and seeing Eli immediately going to his checkdown was all I needed to see. But you wouldn't know that from McAdoo's offense, because the checkdown might have been the primary.
RE: Typical conventional wisdom for NYG fans  
Scuzzlebutt : 10/18/2021 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15420171 Bear vs Shark said:
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Reese apparently was awful, even though he had far more success than Gettleman ever has. McAdoo was the worst coach ever, even though he had far more success than Shurmur and Judge.

newsflash: Just because Reese and McAdoo were bad at the end, doesn't mean you need to tell yourself they were worse than what we have now to placate yourself about the current situation.


Reese was a fantastic scout, but not a good GM. After he hired Ross and phased himself out as the head of scouting, the team’s talent level gradually declined to where it was at the end of his tenure.

MacAdoo was the beneficiary of a massive defensive spending spree and a proven commodity at DC. His offense sucked (an obvious step back from Coughlin’s) and he completely lost the team in year two. He was a failure in every way. I would take Shurmur over him any day as OC or HC.
You people…  
Chris in Philly : 10/18/2021 5:35 pm : link
are utterly exhausting.
RE: fuck McAdoo  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15420198 djm said:
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he took a team that could have won playoff games and turned it into a one dimensional one and done mess. And then it got worse in 2017.

That 2016 was loaded with talent and the 2015 offense, with virtually the same personnel, scored 427 pts. The 2016 team scored barely over 300. I shudder to think what that team was capable of if COughlin coached it. The last time Coughln had a team that was remotely talented was 2011-2012. 20 wins. 14-15 teams were comically thin on defense and the offense was basically Eli and Beckham and pray for rain, yet they scored pts. I wonder why.


That is a big "what if", no doubt. TC with that improved defense? Would have been fun to watch.
RE: the 2016 NYG defense  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 5:39 pm : link
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was flat out loaded. GREAT edge players in JPP/Vernon. Great DTs. Great secondary. Ok Linebackers. Easy schedule. McAdoo did nothing for that team. NOTHING. I don't wanna hear it.

Roll that 2016 defensive roster against the roster we have on defense right now and tell me they were any more loaded than what we're trotting out this year.

That 2016 defense played lights out, no question about it. But if we're just looking at brand names on the roster, this defense should have been just as good. The spending spree isn't always a guarantee of success.
Again underselling how much pass rush matters to a secondary  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 5:54 pm : link
Bad pass rush makes good players look bad. No one can cover for 4, 5, 6 seconds with a QB dancing around.

This defense needed Williams to play like he did last season to have a chance, without even mentioning that Bradberry hasn't played like a top 5 corner.
RE: Again underselling how much pass rush matters to a secondary  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15420233 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Bad pass rush makes good players look bad. No one can cover for 4, 5, 6 seconds with a QB dancing around.

This defense needed Williams to play like he did last season to have a chance, without even mentioning that Bradberry hasn't played like a top 5 corner.

This roster is paying each of those players to do exactly that.
RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 6:09 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.


First of all, readng comprehension, try it.

I said he’s never been hired as a COACH since. All of the others you named, have. Well, I mean sans Coughlin. Who is fucking ridiculous to even mention.

But please, go on about how he was somehow misjudged. Or whatever 🙄
RE: just for the sake of accuracy  
bwitz : 10/18/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15420019 Greg from LI said:
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McAdoo was the Jags QB coach last season.


I stand corrected. What a stellar resume he’s had since being fired.
RE: RE: the 2016 NYG defense  
Section331 : 10/18/2021 6:43 pm : link
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Roll that 2016 defensive roster against the roster we have on defense right now and tell me they were any more loaded than what we're trotting out this year.

That 2016 defense played lights out, no question about it. But if we're just looking at brand names on the roster, this defense should have been just as good. The spending spree isn't always a guarantee of success.


Really? I don’t think it’s that close actually. JPP and OV were far batter than anyone on the edge now, and I’d take Jenkins and DRC over Bradberry and Jackson (although Eli Apple does bring that group down a bit). While maybe not as good as Williams or Dex, Snacks and Hankins were really good inside. Collins over McKinney and don’t even get me started on LB’s.
RE: RE: THis bullshit with Eli again  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 7:09 pm : link
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Geno smith played last night you know with his 200 yards passing ; his loss; his QB rating of nearly 100. Are you going to say him and Russ Wilson are interchangeable to now? I dare you to say it.



Is this directed at me?

If so, you are tangled up and making dubious assumptions...


Am I? Bellichek probably looked at a stat sheet and decided Brady was in decline ; drafted a garapolulo and ended up watching Brady win another SB on tv. This whole idea that geno smith gave you what Eli gave you as a back up after one game is bs. Proves nothing especially considering he lost just the same. The same argument could be made for Russ Wilson then
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2021 7:12 pm : link
He was a horrible coach that we hired because we were terrified the Eagles were going to tab him as their HC.

A horrible hire is on brand for this organization of late. Hell, I'm even souring on JJ.
RE: .....  
JOrthman : 10/18/2021 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15420026 BrettNYG10 said:
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Cowboys hired Ben McAdoo, offense immediately improves with literally nothing else changing.


Dak coming back had nothing to do with that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: that's really grabbing at straws -- McAdoo lost the team in year 2  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/18/2021 7:53 pm : link
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He was hard headed and tone deaf



And hasn’t been employed in the NFL as any kind of coach since.

Tells you all you need to know right there. Yet, people will hold onto the, “But he wanted Mahomes!” narrative like he’s some sort of misjudged savant. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ben McAdoo fucking sucked. Period. End of story.


Coughlin hasn't been hired as a coach since he "retired" either. Nor was Gilbride. Spags had one more good run, and - shocker - his defense sucks again, because he sucks - it takes a really bad DC to oversee the majority of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen, and somehow Spags has accomplished that.

McAdoo was not the problem. He may have been symptomatic, but he wasn't causal. He was a better coach than we've had in close to a decade.



First of all, readng comprehension, try it.

I said he’s never been hired as a COACH since. All of the others you named, have. Well, I mean sans Coughlin. Who is fucking ridiculous to even mention.

But please, go on about how he was somehow misjudged. Or whatever 🙄

Please let me know when Gilbride was hired.

And when you're done with that, please also let me know what your previous handle was.
Hey guys  
Grizz99 : 10/20/2021 6:28 pm : link
Dont waste time or energy on The Gatorade Punk. Now he"s going with his infamous ^ you had another handle plot.
There's lots of posters I dislike here and one that I think is "ill".
Followed me for months, filling every thread with the proposition that I was a Cowboy fan.
A sniper, never starts a thread, never positively contributes. meaningful dialogue impossible. ...Personalizes, denigrates...ignore, move on,...deny him the attention he seeks
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Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2021 10:54 pm : link
It’s Mr. Perfect Storm.
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